Segregation and Ethnic cleansing as a democratic policy

Too bad. One would hope that ethnic tribalism had been relegated to the past.
 
I mean that the so-called "right" to live on land you consider your own does not supercede the sovereignty of a nation. That's what gives Israel the right to include or exclude whom they wish. It was established for the purpose of providing Jews with a place to live. Will they someday allow Palestinians to live there? Maybe, but not at the rate things are going now.
 
. It was established for the purpose of providing Jews with a place to live.
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That was a mistake, which many people are reconising now. Never mind, there is no need to lose heart, one of these days, the Palestinians will get justice. They are not going anywhere. With Nut and Yahoo on the job, it may happen even sooner than we think.
 
Don't count your chickens before they are hatched. International public opinion alone won't cause regime change in Israel.
 
spidergoat said:
I mean that the so-called "right" to live on land you consider your own does not supercede the sovereignty of a nation. That's what gives Israel the right to include or exclude whom they wish. It was established for the purpose of providing Jews with a place to live. Will they someday allow Palestinians to live there? Maybe, but not at the rate things are going now.
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Only sovereign through U.S protection.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30X2tYUGK_8
 
You mean to divide and conquer and not protect.

Kick ass indeed:rolleyes:

Remember not to act like a big baby on twin towers rememberance day.
 
Are you kidding. The twin towers was a brilliant piece of work. It whipped the couch potatoes into a frenzy like nothing since pearl harbor.

Who ever did the planning on that was a tactical genius who must hate islame with a purple passion.

Four thousand dead, presumably not even from his country, to take out a couple million muslims and destroy two muslim countries and destabilize the entire region? That is some real insight into how to fight a war without really trying.
 
Baron Max said:
SAM, that same condition occurs in almost every nation of the world, except perhaps the most affluent western nation. Look at India, SAM, it's full of just such drastic transitions from affluent to poor to poverty-stricken. Look at Brazil, ...same things, drastic transitions from wealth to poverty. Ditto for Mexico. Do you point out those areas as "segregation and ethnic cleansing as a democratic policy"? Why not?

But ya' know something, SAM, ....? None of those other nations have resorted to terrorism and suicide attacks. Why not? Is that just a Muslim thing? Or perhaps just an Arab thing?

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Wow. A fucking sideshow. From you. Transitioning from rich to poor has no bearing on this. They are not poor by any arbitary economic policy, they are poor due to a segregationist policy.
Oh and by the way. I'm sure even you, would be part of a suicide attack, if the price was worth fighting for.
 
Two interesting pieces of news:

1. Michael Oren, born in the USA, gives up US citizenship to become ambassador for Israel. No problem, says Oren, his US "background" will help him to read America.

2. Joe Biden tells AIPAC that Israel must always be the safe place for Jews. Apparently, the US isn't guaranteed

Questions

For point 1: at one point does a US citizen become a foreign agent?

For point 2: how many American Jews will be comforted by the idea of expulsion to Israel, their "safe" place? And isn't it antisemitic to insinuate that Jews cannot be safe in the US? I would be highly offended if top government officials in my country told me my safe place was out of my country.
 
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S.A.M. said:
Two interesting pieces of news:

1. Michael Oren, born in the USA, gives up US citizenship to become ambassador for Israel. No problem, says Oren, his US "background" will help him to read America.

For point 1: at one point does a US citizen become a foreign agent?
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If he was working for a foreign government covertly while pretending to be a US, then there would be an issue.

Giving up his US citizenship first = no problem. Of course if we feel he is unwelcome we can expell him from the country and he has no recourse here since he is now a foreign national.

A bit more tricky is people who hold dual citizenship. Generally that's tolerated as long as there isn't a clear conflict of interest. Keeping US citizenship while acting as a foreign ambassidor would probably get the state dept into a snit and they would want you to make up your mind. Other countries have different rules.

For example if you are a member of a common wealth nation you have a lot of leeway in any other common wealth nation. Same with the EU these days. I'm not sure how far that goes - its some where between the free reign of going state to state in the US and the "open" border between the US and Canada.
 
So you'd expect to see dual citizens holding top government positions in the EU?

In India, we don't have a policy that allows for dual citizenship, so the idea that someone can be a citizen of another country and hold a government position in your own is quite novel to me. You'd have to give up foreign citizenship before holding a government position in India.
 
spidergoat said:
I mean that the so-called "right" to live on land you consider your own does not supercede the sovereignty of a nation.
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Yet another Pro-israel argument that can't be used consistently.
That's what gives Israel the right to include or exclude whom they wish.
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No they don't No one has the right to interfere and deny some their rights which is exactly what your arguing.
It was established for the purpose of providing Jews with a place to live.
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at the expense of Palestinian self determination therefore Illegal. And therefore nullifing any argument based on Israel being legit.
Will they someday allow Palestinians to live there? Maybe, but not at the rate things are going now.
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No because that would involve admitting they were wrong something people like you are steadfastly opposed because no crime done by a jew is a crime if its done to placate the irrational fears of the people to you.
 
spidergoat said:
Not true. Without us aid, they would need to be far more aggressive. Now they can at least be reassured that if a war happens they will be prepared. Otherwise they would have to anticipate threats and be pre-emptive.
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and a lot less able to kill. We supply them with the funding that lets them kill so indiscriminately.
 
spidergoat said:
I mean that the so-called "right" to live on land you consider your own does not supercede the sovereignty of a nation. That's what gives Israel the right to include or exclude whom they wish. It was established for the purpose of providing Jews with a place to live. Will they someday allow Palestinians to live there? Maybe, but not at the rate things are going now.
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No, what gives Israel the "right" to to include or exclude who they wish are guns. Lots of guns. And friends with even more guns.
 
S.A.M. said:
So you'd expect to see dual citizens holding top government positions in the EU?

In India, we don't have a policy that allows for dual citizenship, so the idea that someone can be a citizen of another country and hold a government position in your own is quite novel to me. You'd have to give up foreign citizenship before holding a government position in India.
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In the US...
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html

EU
http://www.euimmigration.org/dual_citizenship.html

India
http://www.immihelp.com/nri/dual.html
 
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