Sorry for the offtopic, but it's probably Space Jockey's warning.
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Scientists hear a mystery roar coming from deep space
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Speculation and a memory
First, the speculative. I've made the point before that Hubble can allegedly see 95% of the way to the expected edge of the Universe; usually this point is accompanied by the question of what we will learn when we finally see that last five percent.
As to mysterious sounds coming from deep space, while gamma and radio are admittedly two different things, one of the first ideas to mind upon reading the topic post was the "Biggest Bang since the Big Bang", and no, it was not Zaphod Beeblebrox (the alleged "Best Bang since the big one"):
So the speculative is that perhaps they've finally heard the rumbling of the leading edge of the Universe. The more likely is that something exploded, and we just happened to hear.
Does anyone know where we can hear a recording of the radio burst?
Gamma Ray Burst 971214, May 7, 1998. The event is near the center of the image,
the upper of two small bright objects between the two prominent galaxies. Click image to
view larger. (Image credit: S. R. Kulkarni and S. G. Djorgovski.)____________________
Notes:
Adams, Douglas. The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy. London: Pan Books, 1979. http://flag.blackened.net/dinsdale/dna/book1.html
National Aeronautics and Space Administration. "News Release 98-75". May 6, 1998. NASA Goddard Space Flight Center. Accessed January 12, 2009. ftp://ftp.hq.nasa.gov/pub/pao/pressrel/1998/98-075.txt
See Also:
"Gamma-Ray Burst Found to be Most Energetic Event in Universe". HubbleSite.org. Accessed January 12, 2009. http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/1998/17/
First, the speculative. I've made the point before that Hubble can allegedly see 95% of the way to the expected edge of the Universe; usually this point is accompanied by the question of what we will learn when we finally see that last five percent.
As to mysterious sounds coming from deep space, while gamma and radio are admittedly two different things, one of the first ideas to mind upon reading the topic post was the "Biggest Bang since the Big Bang", and no, it was not Zaphod Beeblebrox (the alleged "Best Bang since the big one"):
A recently detected cosmic gamma ray burst released a hundred times more energy than previously theorized, making it the most powerful explosion since the creation of the universe in the Big Bang.
"For about one or two seconds, this burst was as luminous as all the rest of the entire universe," said Caltech professor George Djorgovski, one of the two principal investigators on the team from the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA ....
.... The burst was detected on Dec. 14, 1997, by the Italian/Dutch BeppoSAX satellite and NASA's Compton Gamma Ray Observatory satellite. The Compton observatory provided detailed measurements of the total brightness of the burst, designated GRB 971214, while BeppoSAX provided its precise location, enabling follow-up observations with ground-based telescopes and NASA's Hubble Space Telescope.
"The energy released by this burst in its first few seconds staggers the imagination," said Caltech professor Shrinivas Kulkarni, the other principal investigator on the team.
The burst appears to have released several hundred times more energy than an exploding star, called a supernova, until now the most energetic known phenomenon in the universe. Finding such a large energy release over such a brief period of time is unprecedented in astronomy, except for the Big Bang itself.
"In a region about a hundred miles across, the burst created conditions like those in the early universe, about one millisecond (1/1,000 of a second) after the Big Bang," said Djorgovski.
This large amount of energy was a surprise to astronomers. "Most of the theoretical models proposed to explain these bursts cannot explain this much energy," said Kulkarni. "However, there are recent models, involving rotating black holes, which can work. On the other hand, this is such an extreme phenomenon that it is possible we are dealing with something completely unanticipated and even more exotic."
(NASA)
"For about one or two seconds, this burst was as luminous as all the rest of the entire universe," said Caltech professor George Djorgovski, one of the two principal investigators on the team from the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA ....
.... The burst was detected on Dec. 14, 1997, by the Italian/Dutch BeppoSAX satellite and NASA's Compton Gamma Ray Observatory satellite. The Compton observatory provided detailed measurements of the total brightness of the burst, designated GRB 971214, while BeppoSAX provided its precise location, enabling follow-up observations with ground-based telescopes and NASA's Hubble Space Telescope.
"The energy released by this burst in its first few seconds staggers the imagination," said Caltech professor Shrinivas Kulkarni, the other principal investigator on the team.
The burst appears to have released several hundred times more energy than an exploding star, called a supernova, until now the most energetic known phenomenon in the universe. Finding such a large energy release over such a brief period of time is unprecedented in astronomy, except for the Big Bang itself.
"In a region about a hundred miles across, the burst created conditions like those in the early universe, about one millisecond (1/1,000 of a second) after the Big Bang," said Djorgovski.
This large amount of energy was a surprise to astronomers. "Most of the theoretical models proposed to explain these bursts cannot explain this much energy," said Kulkarni. "However, there are recent models, involving rotating black holes, which can work. On the other hand, this is such an extreme phenomenon that it is possible we are dealing with something completely unanticipated and even more exotic."
(NASA)
So the speculative is that perhaps they've finally heard the rumbling of the leading edge of the Universe. The more likely is that something exploded, and we just happened to hear.
Does anyone know where we can hear a recording of the radio burst?
Gamma Ray Burst 971214, May 7, 1998. The event is near the center of the image,
the upper of two small bright objects between the two prominent galaxies. Click image to
view larger. (Image credit: S. R. Kulkarni and S. G. Djorgovski.)
Notes:
Adams, Douglas. The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy. London: Pan Books, 1979. http://flag.blackened.net/dinsdale/dna/book1.html
National Aeronautics and Space Administration. "News Release 98-75". May 6, 1998. NASA Goddard Space Flight Center. Accessed January 12, 2009. ftp://ftp.hq.nasa.gov/pub/pao/pressrel/1998/98-075.txt
See Also:
"Gamma-Ray Burst Found to be Most Energetic Event in Universe". HubbleSite.org. Accessed January 12, 2009. http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/1998/17/
First, the speculative. I've made the point before that Hubble can allegedly see 95% of the way to the expected edge of the Universe; usually this point is accompanied by the question of what we will learn when we finally see that last five percent.
As to mysterious sounds coming from deep space, while gamma and radio are admittedly two different things, one of the first ideas to mind upon reading the topic post was the "Biggest Bang since the Big Bang", and no, it was not Zaphod Beeblebrox (the alleged "Best Bang since the big one"):
A recently detected cosmic gamma ray burst released a hundred times more energy than previously theorized, making it the most powerful explosion since the creation of the universe in the Big Bang.
"For about one or two seconds, this burst was as luminous as all the rest of the entire universe," said Caltech professor George Djorgovski, one of the two principal investigators on the team from the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA ....
.... The burst was detected on Dec. 14, 1997, by the Italian/Dutch BeppoSAX satellite and NASA's Compton Gamma Ray Observatory satellite. The Compton observatory provided detailed measurements of the total brightness of the burst, designated GRB 971214, while BeppoSAX provided its precise location, enabling follow-up observations with ground-based telescopes and NASA's Hubble Space Telescope.
"The energy released by this burst in its first few seconds staggers the imagination," said Caltech professor Shrinivas Kulkarni, the other principal investigator on the team.
The burst appears to have released several hundred times more energy than an exploding star, called a supernova, until now the most energetic known phenomenon in the universe. Finding such a large energy release over such a brief period of time is unprecedented in astronomy, except for the Big Bang itself.
"In a region about a hundred miles across, the burst created conditions like those in the early universe, about one millisecond (1/1,000 of a second) after the Big Bang," said Djorgovski.
This large amount of energy was a surprise to astronomers. "Most of the theoretical models proposed to explain these bursts cannot explain this much energy," said Kulkarni. "However, there are recent models, involving rotating black holes, which can work. On the other hand, this is such an extreme phenomenon that it is possible we are dealing with something completely unanticipated and even more exotic."
(NASA)
So the speculative is that perhaps they've finally heard the rumbling of the leading edge of the Universe. The more likely is that something exploded, and we just happened to hear.
Does anyone know where we can hear a recording of the radio burst?
____________________
Gamma Ray Burst 971214, May 7, 1998. The event is near the center of the image,
the upper of two small bright objects between the two prominent galaxies. Click image to
view larger. (Image credit: S. R. Kulkarni and S. G. Djorgovski.)
Notes:
Adams, Douglas. The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy. London: Pan Books, 1979. http://flag.blackened.net/dinsdale/dna/book1.html
National Aeronautics and Space Administration. "News Release 98-75". May 6, 1998. NASA Goddard Space Flight Center. Accessed January 12, 2009. ftp://ftp.hq.nasa.gov/pub/pao/pressrel/1998/98-075.txt
See Also:
"Gamma-Ray Burst Found to be Most Energetic Event in Universe". HubbleSite.org. Accessed January 12, 2009. http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/1998/17/
Yea. Probably the same old broadband frequency where the old 'I Love Lucy' shows broadcasts on.
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John Connellan
Valued Senior Member
Guardian Of Dark matter???
Black holes generally are completely stable (Hawking nonsense aside). If microscopic black holes are formed by ultra-violent methods, they are not stable (lacking sufficient mass) and will almost explode. There is a possibility that if a black hole got too big, it could literally fall apart but that is way over the present 18 billion solar mass record holder.
Jets from black holes come from magnetic storms acting on matter which has not yet fallen into a black hole. That is accepted.
The loud noise may just be an unknown process in stars.
Jets from black holes come from magnetic storms acting on matter which has not yet fallen into a black hole. That is accepted.
The loud noise may just be an unknown process in stars.
Kaneda: The following is not likely
Radiation from quasars, neutron stars, gamma rays, et cetera come from various specific directions, not from evrywhere.
Radiation from stellar processes would come from specific directions.
This radiation is analogous to the CMB radiation: It comes at us from every direction, as if we are at the center of a sphere & the radiation is coming in equal amounts from every spot on the surface of the sphere.
Radiation from quasars, neutron stars, gamma rays, et cetera come from various specific directions, not from evrywhere.
Radiation from stellar processes would come from specific directions.
First, the speculative. I've made the point before that Hubble can allegedly see 95% of the way to the expected edge of the Universe; usually this point is accompanied by the question of what we will learn when we finally see that last five percent.
As to mysterious sounds coming from deep space, while gamma and radio are admittedly two different things, one of the first ideas to mind upon reading the topic post was the "Biggest Bang since the Big Bang", and no, it was not Zaphod Beeblebrox (the alleged "Best Bang since the big one"):
A recently detected cosmic gamma ray burst released a hundred times more energy than previously theorized, making it the most powerful explosion since the creation of the universe in the Big Bang.
"For about one or two seconds, this burst was as luminous as all the rest of the entire universe," said Caltech professor George Djorgovski, one of the two principal investigators on the team from the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA ....
.... The burst was detected on Dec. 14, 1997, by the Italian/Dutch BeppoSAX satellite and NASA's Compton Gamma Ray Observatory satellite. The Compton observatory provided detailed measurements of the total brightness of the burst, designated GRB 971214, while BeppoSAX provided its precise location, enabling follow-up observations with ground-based telescopes and NASA's Hubble Space Telescope.
"The energy released by this burst in its first few seconds staggers the imagination," said Caltech professor Shrinivas Kulkarni, the other principal investigator on the team.
The burst appears to have released several hundred times more energy than an exploding star, called a supernova, until now the most energetic known phenomenon in the universe. Finding such a large energy release over such a brief period of time is unprecedented in astronomy, except for the Big Bang itself.
"In a region about a hundred miles across, the burst created conditions like those in the early universe, about one millisecond (1/1,000 of a second) after the Big Bang," said Djorgovski.
This large amount of energy was a surprise to astronomers. "Most of the theoretical models proposed to explain these bursts cannot explain this much energy," said Kulkarni. "However, there are recent models, involving rotating black holes, which can work. On the other hand, this is such an extreme phenomenon that it is possible we are dealing with something completely unanticipated and even more exotic."
(NASA)
So the speculative is that perhaps they've finally heard the rumbling of the leading edge of the Universe. The more likely is that something exploded, and we just happened to hear.
Does anyone know where we can hear a recording of the radio burst?
____________________
Gamma Ray Burst 971214, May 7, 1998. The event is near the center of the image,
the upper of two small bright objects between the two prominent galaxies. Click image to
view larger. (Image credit: S. R. Kulkarni and S. G. Djorgovski.)
Notes:
Adams, Douglas. The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy. London: Pan Books, 1979. http://flag.blackened.net/dinsdale/dna/book1.html
National Aeronautics and Space Administration. "News Release 98-75". May 6, 1998. NASA Goddard Space Flight Center. Accessed January 12, 2009. ftp://ftp.hq.nasa.gov/pub/pao/pressrel/1998/98-075.txt
See Also:
"Gamma-Ray Burst Found to be Most Energetic Event in Universe". HubbleSite.org. Accessed January 12, 2009. http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/1998/17/
This wouldn't make sense, theoretically-speaking, because the data shows the massive event (whatever it was) - did not occur until 7 billion years ago.
By the way... my last post there was to hint not only treating it as a seperate entity to the event of big bang, it was also to show it must be of a different origin to the background temperatures, since both homogeneous cases are created from different events by logic and reasoning.
Another Universe or 6. "Space" is bigger than we thought it was...again.
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Neutrinos travel through the Earth so even though from a single source might be thought to be coming from all directions. The "noise" source might just be very close to us so seem hugely more powerful because it is believed to come from very far away.
I do. Happeh has reached godhood.
Enmos
Valued Senior Member
It doesn't matter if it is in continuous share with a finite number of other universes. Everything had to have come from somewhere at one point.. shared or not.
Your theory doesn't solve the something from nothing situation..
Enmos
Valued Senior Member
It does however.
Using curved timelike math, you could set the universes up so not only do they share information, you cannot be specific which universe had begun with the energy. That way, you resolve the problem of where energy came from.
My theory went like this;
The Big Flow Theory
In Quantum Cosmology Dr. Hawking wants us to view the universe is a very unique way. If we are indeed to take Hawkings seriously by viewing the universe as an atom, does that mean the universe will quantum leap in the future? Coming back to this question, two main things can happen, depending on what kind of energy state our universe is in. There are two known states called 'Ground State,' and 'Excited State.'
A ground state atom arranges its inhabitants; the electron, the proton and the neutron ect., to a certain frequency, so that they can have the smallest energy possible. If our universe isn't in a ground state, it could have come from a singularity in space, a bit like the kind found inside of black holes... However, i would like to add, that Hawkings is not so sure any more if singularities really exist. Thus, if our universe is in a ground state, it wouldn't have come from a singular region. Instead, it will have had at its center an opening in the fabric of space and time; this is a worm hole, threaded with a substance called 'exotic matter’. This wormhole might loop in on our own universe, and anything that can travel through it, might turn up in a different region of space, at a totally different time of history - theoretically, i could jump into the wormhole a few minutes after big bang, and end up coming out of the wormhole, 40-odd billion years later when the universe decides to contract. Or, if theory is correct as we have seen, it might link this universe up with other universes.
A ground state atom will not spill out energy - this means that it is a very stable particle. If our universe is in its ground state, it will not be able to quantum leap in the future. If the atom is in an excited state, then it will eventually spill out its energy and will inexorably quantum leap. If it was a universe i am speaking about here, it will spill out its energy, quite possibly into a branch that is in its ground state, and will quantum leap.
Now even though Dr. Hawking has shown us that anything that moves into a Black Hole becomes ‘’mangled’’ the information creating a thing is never lost, so nothing can move into other universes: That is, unless it was at the very beginning of time. He has never suggested this, but it makes perfect sense, if we assume that if nothing existed, then something from another universe could enter here in this universe, so long as the other universe has just ended… a big crunch, followed by a big bang.
It may become evident that I am suggesting a whole new creation to matter: Something which will allow energy to enter this universe from another universe, without resorting to the standard interpretation that energy came ‘’from nowhere’’. It simply came around into existence.
I don’t like this, and is admittedly the only real problem I have with the big bang theory. But, if energy came from the other universe, crushing its energy into our universe, then even that universe must have got its energy from somewhere.
This is where timelike curves comes into play. Energy flowing through a finite number of universes, in a timelike curve which in theory, even though a beginning was necessary, is possible to remove all notions of what we specifically call a beginning; in short, the universes, possibly something like $$10^{100}$$ of them, or even $$10^{500}$$ predicted by string theory landscape, is from the moment the first universe became excited with energy, was all shared among them in one massive time loop…
If there is a supermassive time-loop within all the universes, then there can’t be a real definite end or beginning to any universe, but rather an infinite amount of beginnings and ends…
How Does Matter and Energy Enter this Univese?
There arises a fundamental problem, that energy and matter and even [[information]], according to Dr Hawking, that it cannot spontaneously leave a universe and enter another universe, due to an information paradox.
The paradox can be resolved, however, if energy enters a black hole, and never really leaves this vacuum, if it becomes mangled, and eventually tunnels back into this universe.
There is another way to resolve this. You can say that for any energy and matter to leave a universe, so must the space and time (for even the vacuum contains information, and even the information of what it contains). This means, that in my model of the Big Flow, a universe can rid of its energy and matter, of it is willing to give up the spacetime itself (1).
It is possible, that a finite set of universes could give up their energy and matter to another universe who's big bang was just beginning. This means that all the ingredients necessery for a big bang, is provided from a previous universe. But where did this universe get its matter and energy?
The answer comes from curved timelike conditions - a discipline of General relativity. It is possible that all the finite universes act in a synchronized pattern so that each and every universe act's ''independant,'' but in reference to each other, gives each other universe a meaning, and quite possibly a beginning.
We now observe all the universes as a wave function of one universe, that is caught up in a massive curved path, predicted by relativity itself.
(1) - even Einstein once said, ''Before relativity, we thought that if we removed all the energy and matter in the universe, space and time would continue to exist. We now know that space and time would follow.