superstring01
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Why so?
Both were amazing shows. DS9 actually had the camaraderie that TNG should have had from the beginning.
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Saw Star Trek Last Night (DO NOT READ THIS)
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Why so?
Both were amazing shows. DS9 actually had the camaraderie that TNG should have had from the beginning.
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I'll Give TNDeG props for improving some over the course of it's run, but most of the instances I tried tuning in & trying to get hooked, so to speak, I found myself shuddering and grabbing convulsively for the remote.
DS9 just never did anything for me.
Maybe I'm just an old so-n-so.
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I don't particularly mind that this trek movie focused more on having cool-looking action sequences than on philosophy and optimism. What bothers me is that the story just makes zero f*cking sense. The writers clearly never made even the simplest of efforts to ask themselves "Does it make sense that this character would be doing this?" as they wrote the script. It was like they knew what they wanted to happen, but couldn't be bothered to come up with a coherent way to make it happen within the story.
Why doesn't Nero just go to past-Romulus to warn his people about the impending destruction of their star and give them his fabulously advanced technology? What exactly is his motivation for wanted to destroy all these planets, anyway? He says that he's doing it to keep Romulus safe, but it takes about two seconds of thought to see that there are much better way to do that. Why did future-Spock allow his ship and its red matter to be captured, instead of just using it to destroy Nero's ship? Why did they only beam two people (and the captain and first officer, at that) over to Nero's ship at the end of the movie, rather than every able-bodied person on the Enterprise? Or beaming a bomb over? And on and on and on.
This sort of thing seems to be a chronic problem with ST movies, not just with this one - many of the previous movies were equally bad in that respect. You mention that it was "just another transformers movie," but in fact I would argue that Transformers - as silly as the basic premise was - was actually much better in terms of plot holes and characters acting rationally. I never had any moments while watching Transformers in which I said "Wait, why the hell are they doing this?"
Agreed. I saw Star Trek yesterday with a friend. I'm a "casual fan" of Star Trek rather than a Trekkie, but this was one of the best films I've seen in quite a while. Interesting and likable characters, good plot, fantastic special effects. What's not to like?
The plot was only good in a 'great idea written on the back of a napkin' kind of way, yes the plot made for awesome action but it had no coherent logic with in its reality, in short there is only some much detail you can fit on a napkin.
The plot was good because the "alternate reality" they created allows them to take any subsequent films in pretty much any direction they want.
one smart idea does not make a plot 'good' or whole, again that about all that fit on the napkin.
Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. They obviously decided what they wanted to have happen, but they never bothered to come up with a reason why it was happening. They just sort of 'force' it to happen, regardless of how much sense it makes.
superstring01
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That was well put. I agree totally.
On an interesting note, this Star Trek movie has made more than any two other Trek movies combined.
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superstring01
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That probably depends on how much advanced technology and strategic information future-Spock is willing to share with them.
ST:TNG loved to kill HUGE stretches of screen time by having various characters engage in inane chatter that didn't actually advance the story. "Hey, there's a mysterious and sinister alien ship approaching. While we wait for it to get here, let's have a five minute chat about flags..." That always annoyed the hell out of me. Other than that, it was usually more or less okay. DS9 was a lot better about filling the screen time with actual story, rather than blatantly killing time with dialog that doesn't go anywhere.
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OK, how about this--all the contributers to this thread cooperate to write a sequel to this current mishmash--something with a sensible storyline on which everybody can agree (chance would be a fine thing
) and forward your united efforts to the movie moguls for consideration?
hilarious!
OK, how about this--all the contributers to this thread cooperate to write a sequel to this current mishmash--something with a sensible storyline on which everybody can agree (chance would be a fine thing
Great idea.
Would you like to suggest the first plot point?
Great idea.
Would you like to suggest the first plot point?
Reintroduce the Klingons of course! Start off in the middle of a fairly large battle sequence, with the Enterprise bursting thru formation to confront a new large K'Tinga battlecruiser in the Klingon fleet that's obviously whomping the other Fed ships
But let's not milk the Fed - Klingon war, during this proposed sequel, find a way for the battling forces to ally (usually against a common enemy, or in concentration of an overriding disaster).
The Praxis disaster that fuelled the peace treaty in the first place might not occur in this timeline I guess? Or maybe this time the explosion could be caused by an attack?
One thing they gotta be mindful of...not getting these young actors typecast, let em go on with their lives while they still look pretty
Bingo!!! More Star Trek on the way. Same cast of characters get to do it all over again from scratch. Born again trekkies will abound. I think its great. Loved the show. If I get the chance to go alternative universe I hope that green chick is still available. I'll become a vegan and eat my greens religiously.
When I first watched the Batman Begins, I was really impressed and was desperetely waiting for the sequel. But when I watched Dark Night, I couldn't find what I was expected. Still I will watch the third sequel.
This StarTrek did not impess me so much, because I was hoping to catch the "message to humanity" part of the StarTrek universe. During the decade of single digits, we have been watching nothing but action movies, just to test the limits of computer generated images and 3D possibilities. Story line or message are always secondary or none. It's like drinking the same coffee with the cups of different brands. The new wave of Terminator will probably be similar, look, even Batman himself is there!. And the same series of computer games follows. Boring , soulless and meaningless.
This StarTrek did not impess me so much, because I was hoping to catch the "message to humanity" part of the StarTrek universe. During the decade of single digits, we have been watching nothing but action movies, just to test the limits of computer generated images and 3D possibilities. Story line or message are always secondary or none. It's like drinking the same coffee with the cups of different brands. The new wave of Terminator will probably be similar, look, even Batman himself is there!. And the same series of computer games follows. Boring , soulless and meaningless.
Carcano
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That sums it up nicely.
I'm old enough to remember when movies were written by writers...not focus groups.