SAR'S CoV-2 Death rates & Statistics

[Michael 345]

bone spur ?

No. I'm thinking more a matrix which would have reshaped itself given some surgical assistance at the time it happened. Now? who knows what will be needed

calcium

Current diet
Cornflakes, Mik breakfast
Large coffee with milk mid morning
Chocolate ice-cream and fruit lunch
Various meals at dinner

No supplements

Will see what hospital provides, but from what I have heard the quarantine meals are not good

The above diet has kept me off the dead stats so far

Inul just arrived tonight's meal Nasi Goring

 

[RainbowSingularity]

Will see what hospital provides, but from what I have heard the quarantine meals are not good

i am surprised they provide any meals at all over there in the hospitals
my understand was only logical option is for patients to purchase meals via vendors or family delivering them
& hospital/state provided food is dangerous aside from being inadequate for even the most basic nutritional guide lines
Everyone needs to be bribed so its far safer to provide your own food and a lot cheaper & your not then owned by someone forcing you to pay bribes inside a system where you life depends on things.

is there any other options you can swap out for your corn flakes ?
i have a personal opinion that types of cooked corn is not great on the urinary system liver & kidneys
having it with milk may reduce that impact

i avoid eating any mass produced grain crops
wheat
corn
barley
etc ...

statistically in my opinion
mono crops are saturated in pesticides & herbicides and over fertilized with phosphates

the dairy fats in the milk you eat with it, will help to flush & isolate the toxins
by adding sugar to it you can speed up your digestion to reduce heavy toxin metabolisation etc

nutrition is a hobby science for me

humans are creatures of habbit
emotional well being which as a placebo is scientifically rated at 5%
can make a HUGE difference to the bodys ability to produce hormones and other key items required to stay healthy
never over look the effect of placebo effect when it comes to food

hand to mouth chewing
the human animal
fat receptors
habituated digestive conditioning
emotional self assessments with known functional variables
etc etc
it is very difficult for most people to change their diet(impossible for around 20%)

listeria salmonella e coli lead phosphate other heavy metals
assuming local growing is safe
it would be far more healthy to eat locally grown seed crops than usa mass mono crop produced grains soaked in phosphates pesticides & herbicides.
safer to eat the usa mono crops with herbicides than local e-coli though or local metals or arsenic
lots of old ww2 ammunition in parts of asia
don't want leeching bombs in your breakfast cereal

 

[RainbowSingularity]

guessing indias kill rate is now sitting close to 5%

350,000 per day
= 17,500 deaths per day

 

[Bells]

A doctor in Kenya who advised citizens against getting vaccinated has died from coronavirus.

Stephen Karanja, who served as the Kenya Catholic Doctors Association chairman, advised mask-wearing and mass testing as the most effective ways to stamp out the pandemic, clashing with local bishops who have been urging Kenyans to get inoculated.

The Catholic Health Comission reported the controversial doctor — whose age is not publicly known — was admitted to hospital last week before succumbing to the respiratory disease on April 29.

Dr Karanja remained staunch the current global rollout of the fast-tracked vaccine was “totally unnecessary, making the motivation suspect”.

He instead endorsed alternative treatments for COVID-19, including hydroxychloroquine and the hotly-debated Ivermectin.

“There are drugs that have been repurposed and used effectively to treat Covid-19,” he said in a March statement.

“We advise that a COVID-19 vaccine is unnecessary and should not be given. We appeal to all the people of Kenya to avoid taking it.”
[https://www.news.com.au/world/coron.../news-story/159b8f221291511c6b164e7290b40e4e]
​

There's a certain irony here..

It should be noted that the Catholic Church in Kenya have spoken out against him and are demanding that the vaccination rollout continue and noted that Keranja did not speak for the Church in any capacity..

 

[foghorn]

Wonder what the future Indian death stats will show when the caste system in taken in to account.
This is sickening ..

Mamta, a widow, claims she is among 400 residents who were denied rations being distributed by the local councillor’s husband and brother-in-law.

https://www.newsclick.in/COVID-19-Dalit-Woman-Beaten-Denied-Rations-Saharanpur

 

[RainbowSingularity]

who knows what will be needed

i have a small tendon thing which confuses me
multiple complex fractures & years of extreme physical activity
upside years of extreme training has strengthened the tendons so i think my body has pre coded nutrient supply (mysticism of the human bodys secrets that science is yet to figure out)
on occasions it feels like im trying to herd cats to figure out how to keep it happy

no where near invasive to basic function as a shoulder
1 of mine is plays up a little on occasion(tendon join to the bone & what appears to be the muscle that sits over it) but that is from an extreme fracture that never heeled properly & i have never done the hard push to get the surgery
it only seems to be an issue when im pushing to the limit of physical capacity.

There's a certain irony here..

the Catholic Church in

they will be VERY nervous at the reality of having all their missionary and community embedded church leadership & education pillars die
as they are in the highest risk group & an apex of community high level people to people contact
que the sound of nails going into coffins
religiously AND physically
not to mention years of co-operation with local leadership at risk.

the Vatican should be flying in vaccine teams to vaccinate their ministers and the church members for free to create a imputes stimulus and practical safety barrier.
strategically that's the smart move

local village leaders may be more willing to come on board and endorse vaccine science to help protect the parish village and towns & eventually citys while entrenching social AID and outreach from the Vatican

while catholic schools may be a bit slower in social advancing intellectual social liberalism
in many countrys they are the only tool turning illiterate children into free functioning adults that can then travel the globe and take up jobs and global social iteration & diversity inclusion.
etc etc
a old friend said
regarding africa
many cant even count so you dont need to pay them what you owe them if you dont want to.
the same goes for accounting and financial control of villages AID programs and citys

Wonder what the future Indian death stats will show when the caste system in taken in to account.
This is sickening ..

i think it would be fair to say in statistics
the cast(class system of real lived basic indian culture operating in all rural farming areas and most medium residential rural, invasively cast as a social system into large citys and social inclusion & exclusion) system is a mass serial killer

funny how Bollywood(bolly wood has many conservative enemy's trying to undermine their gender & sexual orientation & racial and cast inclusion etc) is soo quiet keeping all their billions to themselves trying to stay out of the media to avoid being asked to donate money
to be fair
though controlled like most big business by extreme right wing capitalism in the midst of a systemically corrupt system of bribery(its not as overtly immoral as it is basic capitalist)
how do they not gas light themselves to the raving hoards when the entire national system is designed to extract profit per person per action because its 100% user pays capitalism.

in walks the farmer protestors and the global support for them and the politicization of the rural slavery and cast system and terrible sexist enslavement of women.
which the west has been endorsing by donating to the protesting farmers
as they endorse slavery of women
deny education, deny wages and working conditions
and hoard all the money
while controlling the local economy through their cast village markets controlling ALL money and trade.

modi is doing the right thing in the basic function
but the right wing fascist capitalist extremists want to exploit the reality to push their communist or capitalist dogma to seek personal power and money
as the people suffer and die in the thousands because of their actions.

but with hundreds of millions of people who have village superstition intellect and only around 50% are literate
its juggling chains saws while someone throws molotov cocktails

 

[RainbowSingularity]

the problem/current reality now seems to be the average people are NOW suffering enough to understand the impact of the problem
but they are yet to embrace a solution
anti science
anti vaxer
anti western medicine
anti change of social cast systems of medical control and inclusion & acceptance

& they will take as much free cash as you give them

infection tally has gone up
to now
400,000 new infections per day
that is 16,000 guaranteed deaths per day from just the new infection at 4% kill rate
thats not accounting for all other co-morbidity factors and existing death rates
famine is coming like a raging stampede of wild horses

and when it hits
if they cant stop it
all those protesting farmers may be the ones being sized up for firing squads(cultural vernacular equivalent)

soo the average indian is now crying out
save us
save us
but they are yet to decide what type of saving they will allow people to give them
cash wont vaccinate them or build new farms or hospitals
or build new systems of supply

behavior & culture change is needed with vaccination
but they have run out of the limited amount of vaccine they have
but the people were not accepting vaccines as being real anyway
only the upper class educated who can afford to buy their own at market rates
and that wont put entire citys back together

they are the drowning person who will fight you and drag you & them under to death the moment you try to save them
until they decide to accept being saved

anti-vaxer media promoters and their activists in such situations deserve a firing squad

india is at war
at war with covid19 & its constipated social cast system & economic systems
covid is winning
next champion in the ring will be famine

 

[Quantum Quack]

that is 16,000 guaranteed deaths per day from just the new infection at 4% kill rate

I was attempting to find out the CFR of people who were ill enough to be admitted to a hospital but could not be admitted because the hospital was at capacity..but failed to get any relevant data.
Scenario:
Hospital full.
400 people outside, most with breathing difficulties.
Q: What is the death rate of those who had to wait out side?
Assumption:
Most of the people will seek medical support if breathing difficulties are present.
Once a person experiences respiratory difficulty in a covid-19 situation one could suggest that viral pneumonia is present.

**Google: Untreated viral pneumonia.
Answer:

"Viral pneumonia usually goes away on its own. Therefore, treatment focuses on easing some of the symptoms. A person with viral pneumonia should get sufficient rest and stay hydrated by drinking plenty of fluids"​

The main concern I was researching was that of those who could not get into hospital would have a considerably higher CFR than 4% ( speculation at 40%) however the research fails to support such an extreme outcome as in many, if not most cases the main concerns that drives people to seek admission (temperature, breathing and anxiety) will often solve them selves over a relatively short time period.

The role that anxiety plays in the respiratory problems is unclear but assumed to be a major factor. Calming the patient may lead to better outcomes etc.

So the greater question:
What would be the CFR if the hospital systems remained at "over capacity" status? Remains unclear.
What we do know is that in the first world if hospital systems are fully functional, has ICU capacity, oxygen and sedative support the CFR is between 2 and 4 %.

Possibly some forum members might know of CFR modelling that involves an overwhelmed or failed regional hospital system?

 

[RainbowSingularity]

I was attempting to find out the CFR of people who were ill enough to be admitted to a hospital but could not be admitted because the hospital was at capacity..but failed to get any relevant data.

i have
added that as 1% as a compromise by those

• already in hospital being denied service so they die of preventable conditions

• added with increased mortality of avoidable covid death

• added with avoidable death of those now unable to get into the hospital

• added with those now directly killed by the chaos that ensues

• not counting those dependent on medication PILLS and Medicines who now have run out and cant get any more

just roughly
the dying people on the way to the hospital seems to be an increasing number
malnourishment kill rate will be significant as the illness takes hold of non fatal people
who become fatal from malnourishment

viral pneumonia

and not only is there now no antivirals
but there is no system to deliver or access them

queue personal hygiene food and water cycles of contamination/disease

The role that anxiety plays in the respiratory problems is unclear but assumed to be a major factor. Calming the patient may lead to better outcomes etc.

note
already mentioned
air pollution cant be changed = awkward
what studys on air pollution have been done in indian citys ?
what use is the data if they cant change anything

some groups & politicians have played around with changing indian house cooking fires and heating fires creating air pollution
but none have taken it seriously
looks serious now though
maybe they will have better public support

 

[Quantum Quack]

i have
added that as 1% as a compromise by those

• already in hospital being denied service so they die of preventable conditions

• added with increased mortality of avoidable covid death

• added with avoidable death of those now unable to get into the hospital

• added with those now directly killed by the chaos that ensues

• not counting those dependent on medication PILLS and Medicines who now have run out and cant get any more

just roughly
the dying people on the way to the hospital seems to be an increasing number
malnourishment kill rate will be significant as the illness takes hold of non fatal people
who become fatal from malnourishment


and not only is there now no antivirals
but there is no system to deliver or access them

queue personal hygiene food and water cycles of contamination/disease

Yes... of course...collateral fatalities were not being considered in my post (trying to be focused)
There are many collateral effects and not just deaths but long term disability etc....
The breakdown of survival routines (begging,trash foraging etc) most impoverished people utilize alone would have devastating impacts.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

The breakdown of survival routines

clean safe drinking water in india would be a good simple example
then add soap for hand washing

 

[Bells]

Wonder what the future Indian death stats will show when the caste system in taken in to account.

We may not actually ever know the full extent.
Much has been written on the plight of the Dalit during this pandemic..

https://theconversation.com/indias-coronavirus-pandemic-shines-a-light-on-the-curse-of-caste-139550
https://www.huffpost.com/archive/in...onavirus-lockdown_in_5ee4ade3c5b61387f005e8d8
https://towardfreedom.org/story/the-curse-of-caste-and-contagion/

Are just a few examples.

There have been numerous stories of oxygen tanks being taken away or confiscated from people and given to others who are more wealthy, for example..

They have not said anything in regards to how their caste system is affecting treatment during this current surge. We may never know the full extent when it's all over.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56345591
All adults in India are now eligible to be vaccinated.

India coronavirus: Over-18s vaccination drive hit by shortages

About 150 million shots have been given, equivalent to 11.5% of India's 1.3 billion people.
Despite being the world's biggest producer of vaccines, the country is suffering an internal shortage and has placed a temporary hold on all exports of AstraZeneca to meet domestic demand.
More than 13 million people aged 18-45 have registered for the jab, but states including central Madhya Pradesh and hard-hit Maharashtra have said they will not start vaccinating this age group on 1 May as planned due to supply problems.

Experts believe India should ramp up vaccination in areas of high transmission and in five states where elections are being held.
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when i was doing some VERY rough math
i came to around 500% increase in global death rate from covid
india will now be seeing a large increase in their total normal average death rate
probably running around 800%

hence businesses who run the cremation sites simply can not cope
but they probably see it as a short term massive increase in profit and wont wont to let go of any real figures or fees for bodies

it did cross my mind if some might be trucking bodies out of the city to hide them because they simply cant cremate them all.
ok if the military are doing it and then cremating them in large scale cremations or burials
or refrigerating them in large fridges for a few weeks until they can get the local cast crematorium to provide the family requested service
which has probably been in a relationship for hundreds of years

i hope Modi wins & this gives him the peoples will to push for new hard changes that many oppose which is what is needed to solve indias' crisis
if politicians act against him then maybe he will need to announce martial law & work with the military who hopefully are a lot more sensible & logic

 

[foghorn]

We may not actually ever know the full extent.
Much has been written on the plight of the Dalit during this pandemic..

There have been numerous stories of oxygen tanks being taken away or confiscated from people and given to others who are more wealthy, for example..

They have not said anything in regards to how their caste system is affecting treatment during this current surge. We may never know the full extent when it's all over.

From one of your links...

Sanitation work employs five million people in India, of which an estimated 90 percent belong to Dalit communities. Though these marginalized workers are considered ‘essential’ during the pandemic, the government refuses to guarantee their health, safety or sustenance. India’s Ministry of Health and Family Welfare stated that sanitation workers should be provided with personal protective equipment (PPE), including N-95 masks and gloves, but this has not happened.

https://towardfreedom.org/story/the-curse-of-caste-and-contagion/
Says it all really about India.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

Says it all really about India.

their system of regional fiefdoms over millennia has formed the very core cultural identity and systems of thought t& types of religion that directly correlates to this.

i was chatting with a young indian upper class male who had a few issues
the point is he was completely unaware of child marriage issues in indian culture

hows that for a small selective world view
his family were so well placed that he would probably be given almost any job he applied for in india assuming he had the specific qualification needed.
keeping in mind around 50 to 75% of women are illiterate
& while basic language skills may seem modern in most men
critical thinking will be completely alien to them.

There have been numerous stories of oxygen tanks being taken away or confiscated from people and given to others who are more wealthy, for example..

extreme capitalism
the bottles being taken wont be owned by the people
you can be sure 99% of the issue will be re-assignment once bribes have stopped being paid

they know there is not enough food jobs & resources to go around
and their birth rates & infant mortality and beliefs around death go hand in hand with that

fascinating culture(western romanticism of old religious indian culture for western profit making is very fluffy but missing the contents of the machines & mechanisms)

so they are looking at 180 million dead in the next year
as a rough ball park figure

what happens in the usa when a hospital patient runs out of money to pay the bill ?
https://tinyurl.com/bzxm9m8j (google results of searching that, you will see the real hard question and moral debate issue is not answered and obviously avoided on purpose for profit)

do they wheel them out onto the side walk in a wheel chair & abandon them ?
can hospitals legally do that in the usa ?(my guess is yes)

when you compare the usa
against
india

and look at the usa level of covid dead

and then look at usa medical technology & bed & ICU capacity per person
statistically usa is a total cluster _uck

now simply use usa covid dead stats
and then apply them per capita to india for a base line

600,000 dead usa
from 350,000,000
0.17142857142857143 % of the population

how many dead will that make in india ?

population india
1,380,004,385
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/india-population/

2,365,721.802857143 dead at USA rate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:COVID-19_pandemic_data

India 19,557,457 215,542 15,992,271
so what ever you see on TV & in the news
simply multiply it by 500% and that is the bottom line basic reality

note
statistics
there s probably a factor we can apply to india for lack of usa equivalent health care
maybe 300%, maybe 400%

so we are looking at around a 900% increase on usa figures to get real india basic numbers

soo ...
basicly using basic maths and comparative logical scientific method and statistics
india is looking at 180 million covid dead over the next year as a total

 

[RainbowSingularity]

for those readers struggling with their own moral hypocritical indoctrination...

and "do we care ?"
is that the American question ?
answer is
"are we being paid to care"
indian answer is the same because capitalism

statistics is not in the business of caring for people
otherwise the science is lost & the job of doing the statistics is never completed
and its all a complete waste of time & resources

and then it doesn't matter who cares and who doesn't care
you have nothing to effect real outcomes

logic !

statistics is pure logic


so we need to know what type of strain we are looking at on basic Indian society

we need to know what level of dead bodies and death they will be dealing with to get an india of what level of machinery they will need to prevent them from completely imploding
(you see if you truly do care, then you need to b able to not care to care about people)

p.s for those who have issues with the UN (or the WHO or affiliate global organizations[spin your fascist propaganda bullishit somewhere else in conspiracy's or politics])
please refrain from posting anything that does not have a link to back it up

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/IND/india/death-rate

so we can see indias death rate is leveling out
but we know their birth rate is naturally declining with modernity(great and expected)

2021 7.344 0.480%
keeping in mind
all countries have all the babyboomers
who were effectively experimental guinea pigs for consumer products(lab rats)
including food & medicines
so we expect their cancer and disease rates to be significantly higher along side better health outcomes

millennials should be significantly healthier with long term outcomes since obesity and better quality food and lower levels of chemical poisoning have been established as government laws and regulations

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/05/how-many-people-die-each-day-covid-19-coronavirus/

• Nearly 150,000 people die each day around the world, according to 2017 data.
  • China and India both see more than 25,000 total deaths per day, due to their large populations.

soo we are looking at roughly 180 million over 365 days
= 493150 dead per day from covid
against
25,000 per day natural death rate

that is roughly 10 times the current death rate

 

[Seattle]

what happens in the usa when a hospital patient runs out of money to pay the bill ?
https://tinyurl.com/bzxm9m8j (google results of searching that, you will see the real hard question and moral debate issue is not answered and obviously avoided on purpose for profit)

do they wheel them out onto the side walk in a wheel chair & abandon them ?
can hospitals legally do that in the usa ?(my guess is yes)

Your guess is wrong.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

Your guess is wrong.

yet you do not post a link

why is that ?
because your a douche bag ?
probably

if its soo obvious to you
AND since you are making a claim about law & fact
it should be very easy for you to post a link to back up your claim

but you & i both know you cant & you dont
you never post links to back up your claims

why ?
because your not interested in science & fact
your interested in messing with peoples heads for personal amusement
and
further more
your ego is soo messed up that you simply cant ever admit your wrong
you must beat up on someone and double down

thats not science
thats not how statistics work
you need to seek professional therapy

 

[Seattle]

yet you do not post a link

why is that ?
because your a douche bag ?
probably

if its soo obvious to you
AND since you are making a claim about law & fact
it should be very easy for you to post a link to back up your claim

but you & i both know you cant & you dont
you never post links to back up your claims

why ?
because your not interested in science & fact
your interested in messing with peoples heads for personal amusement
and
further more
your ego is soo messed up that you simply cant ever admit your wrong
you must beat up on someone and double down

thats not science
thats not how statistics work
you need to seek professional therapy

We aren't talking about science and statistics. You said that if someone is in the hospital and runs out of money to pay the bill that hospitals in American can legally wheel them out into the street.

You posted no link either. https://healthcareinsider.com/hospital-no-insurance-59540

Maybe try to compose yourself a little better next time and limit the name-calling?

 

[RainbowSingularity]

You posted no link either

more games

We aren't talking about science and statistics.

even more games
trying to change the subject of my thread

You said

even more games

out into the street

i asked a question

what happens in the usa when a hospital patient runs out of money to pay the bill ?

your reading comprehension seems conveniently poor when your trying to change the subject

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2012-02-02/pdf/2012-2287.pdf

EMTALA, also known as the patient antidumping statute, was passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985 (COBRA), Public Law 99–272. Congress incorporated these antidumping provisions within the Social Security Act to ensure that any individual with an emergency medical condition (EMC), regardless of the individual’s insurance coverage, is not denied essential lifesaving services. Under section 1866(a)(1)(I)(i) of the Act, a hospital that fails to fulfill its EMTALA obligations under these provisions may be subject to termination of its Medicare provider agreement which would result in the loss of Medicare and Medicaid payments.

so if the medical hospital need is not considered emergency life saving, they can dump the patient by discharging them and deny further treatment

note it does not say what happens if the patient becomes unable un-insured and can not pay for ongoing hospital treatment while they are in hospital

as my question asks
40 year old anti dumping wound around privatization and de-funding of regional family planing networks etc ...

so by declaring themselves not equal to specific services they can refuse patients

however
as asked in my question

what happens in the usa when a hospital patient runs out of money to pay the bill ?

the question goes unanswered

usa hospitals that refuse patients ongoing treatment because the patient has run out of money...
while they are in hospital ...
what happens
(& it is the majority of medical treatment which is classed as non emergency life saving but is likely long term life reducing causing pain medication addiction etc)

usa pain medication and prescription medication addiction
comorbidity
and the privatization and profiteering of hospital treatment costs
and drug addiction
and over dose death statistics ...

usa covid co-morbidity fatality caused by un-afforadible health care resulting in complex drug dependency and illness