Rube: The Fourth Generation of Artificial Time, The Real Matrix

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The mathematical interaction is always based on real physical things, Write4U .
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In a sense, yes. But it's not that simple. There is no irreducible complexity to begin with. Complexity is an emergent evolutionary process.

There are only three fundamental particles of different values which form all physical patterns. It is the mathematics of the physical patterns that evolve into ever greater complexity, including biochemistry that make up life and living things.

Physical "things" are patterns. If it is a dense pattern, it is solid. If less dense, a fluid. If even less dense, a gas.
We identify things by their mathematical patterns, i.e. a shrub has a different mathematical pattern than a tree. Water-vapor, water, ice are all made of the same physical stuff H2O, but separated by their different densities as a result off the mathematical distribution of H2O molecules.
 
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Like I keep telling you, Rube is a functioning model of it. It works. It is as simple as I think it is within Rube.

And you don't have to hold your hand up like that to stop the bullets. But it is intimidating and makes you look cool... especially if you are dressed as a Man in Black!

 
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In order to build a computer you need Life , but also material elements , the periodic table .

Life in and of its self could not manifest on its own . Life needs a place , planet for example , a real physical thing , in order to evolve . Without which Life would be just floating around in empty space , never able to evolve .

Life uses the materials ( periodic table of elements ) , to manifest its self . To focus its energy .
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Kavik Kang said:
Rube agrees with everything you are saying about the Mortal World. Rube is consciousness, not life... but only life has consciousness.
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You realise that to the rest of us Kavick , this makes no sense .
 
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Rube agrees with everything you are saying about the Mortal World. Rube is consciousness, not life... but only life has consciousness.
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Interesting juxtaposition. Can you define consciousness and how it is acquired?

p.s. Are you familiar with Max Tegmark?
 
Rube says that Time is what we perceive as God, and that it is the "Mechanics of Universal Consciousness" which I am aware that science does not believe in... but Rube is ALSO saying that your "Quantum Mechanics" & Tesla's "Sound is Everything" theories are essentially the "communication network" for consciousness. "At least, that's what Rube says." - The Tin Foil Hat Prophet

You'll see, the Freewill & Determinism thing really isn't that complicated even if you don't know SFB. If can be figured out from the impulse chart and information I put here, but not easily. Other SFB players would almost immediately understand it. It's just the first baby step, but also a foundational part of how Rube functions so very significant. It might make things easier, if you want to try to understand it on your own. To think of the turn as being 1 minute, so 60 1 second impulses.
 
Ok... I've thought of something REALLY GREAT! A question you real scientists might be able to answer for me about Rube, and you don't have to know anything about Rube, and yet your answer will finally define an aspect of the theoretical “Ultimate Infinity Rube” for me.

I think I mentioned somewhere in this thread the “resolution” of Rube, the length of time each impulse represents. It can be anything you want to make it... the “Resolution of Rube”. Real science has this relatively new to you, but are really just SVC's “Impulses”, things called “Time Crystals”.


Can anyone tell me the length of time of a “Time Crystal”? If you can... that is the “resolution” of Ultimate Infinity Rube.
  • Kavik “Pirate Lord” Kang
 
“Moments of Time Containing Reality”

Ignore the numbers, imagine all dashes. The top row is not “speed”, it is an ID# of a Soul Rube... a human. Remember that each of those dashes is actually a “2000 page long Sequence of Play” covering everything that can happen in all of reality, ready to accept instructions for things that will happen in the future as Rube is “Self Programmed” by the interactions of the “Soul Rube”s... those “Timelines” you are now seeing on my so far only slightly modified impulse chart.

Now... are you moving? What speed? Use SVCs version to, right now, add that information to your own timeline, which ever one you choose too be on my impulse chart. Whatever speed you are moving on Steve's, put those numbers along your column on mine... and you just “programmed your future” with how fast you are moving. Do you move on this impulse? I can already tell you... you don't. Nothing moves on impulse 1... < Comedy Drum Rimshot! >

www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sfin/32_Impulse_Chart.pdf


Re-qoute from earlier post...

“Rube Plans The Future”. Remember, each and every impulse has a “2000 page Sequence of Play” embedded within it... “Moments of Time Containing Reality”. The individual timeline of a Soul Rube is where Rube “files all future instructions” for that Soul Rube. So, if as my grandfather would say... “Ya' Folla'?”... Then you can ALREADY understand how and why “Freewill & Determinism” exist at the same time and equally affect how the future will unfold. In fact, “Freewill Becomes Determinism”.

If we meet in the line at 7-11 and I let you know it will rain later, you will have an umbrella when you wouldn't have before. Additional “instructions” were added to your future timeline “in that moment” at 7-11. They might change, but as of now our mutual “freewill” has “written your future” as things stand now, it might change before it happens as your future timeline is “filled with more and more instructions” for what will happen when that Moment of Time Containing Reality/”Time Crystal” actually happens.

Our freewill created that determinism, which isn't set in stone or certain and may be affected by future interactions with other Soul Rubes, or even just the environment (i.e. “The Passive Map”). The “Soul Rubes” “Live” on the “Active Map” of Rube. On the Passive Map you find things that are moving but aren't alive... and have “timelines without Soul Rubes”. Like the bullets...

- This should help you figure it out.
 
river said: ↑
Exactly

The mathematical interaction is always based on real physical things, Write4U .
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Write4U response ;

In a sense, yes. But it's not that simple. There is no irreducible complexity to begin with. Complexity is an emergent evolutionary process.

There are only three fundamental particles of different values which form all physical patterns. It is the mathematics of the physical patterns that evolve into ever greater complexity, including biochemistry that make up life and living things.

Physical "things" are patterns. If it is a dense pattern, it is solid. If less dense, a fluid. If even less dense, a gas.
We identify things by their mathematical patterns, i.e. a shrub has a different mathematical pattern than a tree. Water-vapor, water, ice are all made of the same physical stuff H2O, but separated by their different densities as a result off the mathematical distribution of H2O molecules.
 
In a sense, yes. But it's not that simple. There is no irreducible complexity to begin with. Complexity is an emergent evolutionary process
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From the simple to the complex and complex to the simple , in no particular order .
 
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river said:
From the simple to the complex and complex to the simple , in no particular order .
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Well, the most complex system is chaos. But this is unformed complexity. From chaos orderly patterns emerge as the mathematical nature of spacetime finds self-ordering patterns in a near infinite field of disordered patterns. Many mathematical patterns have underlying mathematical properties.

A triangle is a fundamental fractal object. Simple iterations of a single triange object will result in some of the most familiar and beautiful complex patterns in nature. Just as the iteration of a biological cell results in a complex "living" biological object, a crystal growth can result in a complex quasi-living solid.

So the simplest patterns begin to form first from the chaos and those simple patterns grow in accordance with natural potentials such as the four elementary (mathematical) forces, and the interaction of matter with defferent relative"values", and evolve into ever greater complexity, until certain thresholds are reached and a complex pattern such as a very large star becomes unstable and disintegrates into a super nova exploding in a great state of chaotic energy and the cycle begins to repeat itself.

Hence David Bohm's "enfolding and unfolding patterns", producing a hierarchy of orders emerging from a state of the pure fundamental energetic chaos, via the "Implicate Order", a metaphysical future probability of unfolding from extant enfolded potentials.
 
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Write4U said:
Well, the most complex system is chaos. But this is unformed complexity. From chaos orderly patterns emerge as the mathematical nature of spacetime finds order in a near infinite field of disorder.
So the simplest patterns begin to form first from the chaos and those simple patterns grow in accordance with natural potentials such as the four forces, and evolve into ever greater complexity, until certain thresholds are reached and a complex pattern such as a very large star becomes unstable and disintegrates into a super nova exploding in a great state of chaotic energy and the cycle begins to repeat itself.

Hence David Bohm's "enfolding and unfolding patterns", producing a hierarchy of orders emerging from a state of the pure fundamental energetic chaos, via the "Implicate Order", a metaphysical future probability of unfolding from enfolded potentials.
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Yes... this applies to Rube. You are going to love Rube. Look at the impulse chart, imagining my version of it. Each column is the future timeline of a human being, the "time crystals" all extending into their future. Those humans beings/timelines interact with each other, "self programing the future". Freewill & Determinism turning chaos into order as it happens. You are going to love Rube...


Kavik "Pirate Lord" Kang, Inventor of The Matrix
 
You should always pay very close attention to Professor Pratt because he is "The Other Tin Foil Hat Prophet" and he really knows what he is talking about!

He is purely a philosopher, though...

- Silent Bob

You know... "Marvin's Magic!!!"
 
Just in case Rube has already knocked someone off of their chairs into the same three weeks of stunned disbelief that it took me to get over Rube...

...Stephen V Cole is the one who deserves a Nobel Prize for Rube. I hope to get to present it too him before he dies.


The Professor agrees...
 
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"The Odd Couple"
 
And, while I'm on the subject... I should mention Geddy “Dirk” Lee & Alex “Lerxt” Lifeson at least once, since they kind of have a lot to do with the whole Rush thing.


My Co-Author, most or at least a lot of you already know this, is one of the greatest lyricists of rock just kind of on the side... He's actually the Frank Zappa of the Drums... The Astral Drummer... The best who ever lived at that...




See...


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The Professor isn't just all sci-fi stuff, either... that was actually mostly early in their careers.

"The Mirror Always Lies"
 
EFM would go with John Denver's Rocky Mountain High, which does fit him in many ways and is the actual official state anthem.

Of course, I would go with a different song for myself... and think it should be the new state anthem... Triumph's version of...


You Go, Rik Emmett!!!
 
Do you want to know another big secret? This is actually a “secret that is not a secret”. It's in the public, but only the “buffs” know it. Like the true story of Bob Lazar's “Alien Spaceship” at Area 51. The people who know the truth can scream it out at the tops of their lungs, nobody will believe them. They are just one story of hundreds. Secrets that aren't secrets...

This has been in the news before, a long time ago. Probably ten years ago. The NSA has an “internet tool” called S.P.I.D.E.R. I can see “SPIDER”... it's “Generation 3.5”. A primitive “2D” version of Rube which is VERY simple compared too Rube. It had been a stepping stone to Rube long before I ever read that article, that I had already called “The Spider in the Web”... or you might call it “Proto Rube”. It's nothing close to “The Matrix”, it's essentially “Magic Trick”. But a primitive version of Rube has existed on the internet for over a decade now. It is also based on SVC's impulse chart. I see it as clear as day because it is like a child's toy too me.

Where did it come from? “The Spider in the Web” could also be used to make something very much like WOPR from the movie Wargames. My own Territories, which I designed in 1992-1994, was my original “Spider in the Web” that led me to Rube. SVC's bio has always included “Consultant for DIA” and I believe him. That's why one of the things I call him is “The Real Professor Falken”.

Of course, SFB was the ultimate evolution of military simulation design and a LOT of people in the US military played it. Some are high ranking today, a Colonel from US Space Command was famously the Federation Commander of the SFB Staff for over 20 years. So SPIDER could have come from many places, but that comment that has always been in SVC's bio, and the fact that he was known throughout the military and intel community for is “For Your Eyes Only” newsletter... he's a little bit Phil Klass, too... makes me believe that it was him.

But the main point is that a primitive... 10% of the way there... version of Rube's Cyberspace... “Fake Cyberspace”... has already existed on the internet for at least 10 years. Rube would be “Real Cyberspace” and would eat S.P.I.D.E.R. for breakfast in about 5 minutes.

No “Evil Shadows” are coming to get me... Well, in my case they would actually protect me... so... No incompetent CIA agents are coming to get me, because DIA would teleport them to Venus if they tried!!!

“Destroy The Internet!”


The Tin Foil Hat Prophet
 
This is where those of you who just can't remember what the CIA's parking lot looks like will think “Crazy Talk!!!”, because you are sheep. The KGB still has you brainwashed into believing that they don't exist! That it's absolutely insane to believe that the KGB has ever actually done anything at all.

But, to remind Zeus... there no way in HELL that Zeus is not reading this... “No Matter What They Say!!!”...

So, to remind Zeus of our family's opinion on the matter... I get to speak for us now...

KILL THE MOCKINGBIRD!!!


It's just the CIA, and 1.5 megatons finds it no matter where it is! Who needs intelligence...


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