It’s interpreted by evil people, who hate God, and God’s creation. They have no love, so lying to serve their delusion is nothing to them. You should know.
Can't hate what I don't believe in, Jan.
No. It implies holding her in a way that is sexual. Have you ever been held by a man in a sexual manner, but didn’t get raped (serious question)?
Do you honestly think this is an appropriate question, Jan?
What is wrong with you?
Exactly.
If she was married, she’d be committing adultery, which is an abomination.
*Raise eyebrows*
Which is apparently worthy of being stoned to death...
The act is a spiritual transgression which is passed on to her father, and generations to come. Just goes to show how fallen we have become in this age.
I would say the falling would have occurred from the point where it was deemed necessary by society to stone women (and men) to death for having sex outside of marriage, Jan.
But you seem to think that we have fallen because society does not deem women to be objects who are owned by the men in their lives, from their father to their husbands... What does that say about you?
No. If she was raped, she would still be innocent. No spiritual transgression.
She liked being held by this man, and was party to it. So much so she had sex with him.
Have you ever been in that position?
Why are you so interested in my sex life Jan? You keep asking and frankly, just makes you look like a creepy pervert.
Secondly, you seem to be arguing that if a woman enjoys sex outside of marriage, then that "spiritual transgression" is somehow worthy of death. Is that what you want society to get back to?
Why not?
Have ever hugged before having sex?
3rd question in a single post about my sex life.
Sexual harassment much?
Maybe that is yours and some others experience, but some women do give consent to rough sex, which may well include being held down. But you already know that. So what is your actual reason to think that verse implies rape?
4th comment about my sex life.. You're on a creep roll now.. It's interesting that you only save this sort of behaviour for women.
And I have already explained why that verse implies rape. Why do you keep asking the same questions over and over again?
This just shows you don’t understand that culture. You seem to think those societies are like today’s society. You think you can use your current level of understanding to judge ancient cultures.
Which is exactly the point, is it not? I mean, on some level, you do see what you just said, yes?
Religions of today are still relying on and preaching texts that were written in ancient times and cultures, where women were chattels and owned by men, to today's society and particularly, applying those ancient and outdated and frankly horrific standards to women today. An underlying theme in those ancient cultures and societies which fed religious texts that is relied on today as a moral compass, is one of ownership culture.
You don’t get the culture, because you are viewing it entirely from an atheist, woke, radical-leftist perspective. Your arrogance can’t allow you understand why the culture is like the way it is
Please, enlighten me Jan. Why should we still be adhering to rules from an outdated and ancient culture where owning women was deemed normal?
Tiassa commented on your current, dumb behaviour. Thinking your dumbness was a performance because he “knows your smarter than this”. I asked what made him think you were performing. So I’m just pointing out to him that you’re not performing. This is what you’re actually about.
Hmm.. You are wading into a disagreement that has nothing to do with you and which you know nothing about.
Oh! So it is okay for you to say nasty stuff about me, but returning the gesture is an offence?
How CCP of you!
What a hypocrite
Jan, your misogyny and bigotry on this website is well known and on record. You want to take snipes about my personal life and my rape, that's on you, not me. Just as your repeated questions about my sex life is on you and simply serves to show just what kind of person you are.
This is why I call you a liar.
Show where I said that
Here:
If a man is accused of raping your daughter and his defense is 'I did not rape her, I simply lay hold of her and lay with her', how well do you think that would go. You would be cool with that, yeah? Not rape, right? I mean shit, would you be okay with then selling her off to the guy for some coin and a few goats? How many coins is she worth to you?
So because a man is “accused” of rape, he is guilty of rape? Are you serious?
Are you serious in general?
Let me know, in your tiny idea, if the man did actually rape my daughter, then it become a decent talking point.
Accusations alone cant determine the truth. Not that the truth matters to you in particular. But for normal people it does.
Are you denying you said this?
Does someone else have access to your account? Do you have selective amnesia? Short term memory loss? Or are those your words?
Did you not read the quote that followed it. See, this is why you are a troll.. You keep asking the same questions over and over again, despite that evidence having already been provided.
What is wrong with that quote?
Please explain
Here it is again:
If I said that a female dressed in scanty clad is an excuse for her to be abused and/or raped. You would probably conclude that the problem lies with me, rather than the scantily clad woman.
The problem of their stubborn mind-set is their problem. Not mine.
There may at some point in the future, one person who stumbles upon what I’m saying in these forums, who may comprehend what is being said, which may cause him /her to think for themselves.
You victim blamed and victim shamed. What a woman wears has no bearing and is not the cause of her rape. Most men understand this. Why can't you?
Oh wait, that's right. You're the misogynist who's pining for the days of old where women are stoned for shaming their father's.
What’s wrong with giving hypothetical scenarios to explain a point?
A fantasy as to when it could be acceptable to rape and murder a woman is now a hypothetical scenario to you?
Do you have those often Jan?
You still need to show where I excuse rape.
Or is this just another one of your baseless accusation
You literally came up with a fantasy and used it as an example of when rape and murdering women could be excused and be deemed acceptable in your eyes, and you literally said this:
If I said that a female dressed in scanty clad is an excuse for her to be abused and/or raped. You would probably conclude that the problem lies with me, rather than the scantily clad woman.
The problem of their stubborn mind-set is their problem. Not mine.
There may at some point in the future, one person who stumbles upon what I’m saying in these forums, who may comprehend what is being said, which may cause him /her to think for themselves.
And you are asking me for proof of where you excuse rape?
You don't see the issues with what you have said, do you?
Please seek help. You are clearly a danger to women.
Why not have a bash at answering. It would be interesting to hear your perspective
I don't respect and admire rape, Jan.
That's my perspective.
Given your behaviour throughout this post, I can see how you have a problem with that.
What’s my history? That post?
As I said, you are averse to the truth, and cannot be trusted.
And you are a misogynistic perverted troll who sexually harassed women in this thread, as well as having a history of dreaming up "scenarios" of when it could be acceptable to rape and murder women.
That's your history on this site.
And it's on record.
We're done. Because you have provided yourself with enough rope that it would be cruel of me to allow you to continue and frankly, I don't particularly enjoy talking to people who fantasises about when it would be acceptable to rape and murder women. Nor do I particularly wish to continue engaging with someone intent on sexually harassing me by asking me personal and intimate questions about my sex life.
