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[Undefined]

I can only concur with all of Undefined's stated objective observations.

However, I, dmoe, have used the "Report Button" to report paddoboys "Trolling".
It appeared that Trippy agreed that paddoboy was indeed "Trolling" because the "Reported" Post - the "Evidence" of paddoboy's "Trolling" - got "Deleted" from the Thread.

Yeah, I have reported in the past, to no real avail except occasional slaps on the wrists for the trolls, if that. I have noticed some action against the trolls involved, but too little, too late and meanwhile I get banned for a month on trumped up charges because I also report the mod-troll's own transgressions. It's no use complaining any further as it only resulted in more victimization for the complainer. The troll-mods have the power and opportunity to frame and deceive other mods and con them into their 'version'. Hence the scandalous instances which have arisen about abuses of power and unfair bans while the 'protected mates' trolls of the crooked mod-troll in question gets off again and again to do it again and again.

I am too busy now and won't have time to respond to more posts from people trying to push self-serving BS versions and rationalizations trying to excuse obvious and all to often troll-mod abuses.

Who needs it? Science and humanity discourse certainly don't. Yet the troll-mod types are still infesting and corrupting as of old. Good luck to the victims! But perhaps these 'home truths' being brought home to the perpetrators involved will have some effect and they won't be allowed to carry on with power-abuse-business as usual, hey. One can only hope that will be the outcome of these latest 'airings' of the mod-trolls' dirty linen!

Cheers, dmoe, everyone.


PS:
But failing that, then, as I suggested to James R, we should: Get rid of the lot; the mods have been there for too long and/or have been, or are even now being, corrupted by fellow mod-trolls and their ascendancy over gullible mods. Start fresh. Be thorough and timely in rooting out prejudicial troll-mod tactics and 'protection/banning' tactics/abuses. There is no more room for such in this day and age of free and open internet discourse on the idea's merits not the person. Cheers and best wishes, everyone. No hard feelings! Bye for now.

 

[Kittamaru]

The thing is... if we were as tyrannical as you wish we were... why haven't we just re-banned you?

 

[Undefined]

The thing is... if we were as tyrannical as you wish we were... why haven't we just re-banned you?

Are you really this naive newbie at this, Kitta? That lame rationalization has been offered before in the past by many troll-mods on many occasions here and elsewhere on the net, and it never washed as a an argument.

I WAS unfairly permabanned as RealityCheck. The proven mod-troll gang/tactics were responsible. I proved it by experiment and James R allowed me back as Undefined. I was still 'framed' and trolled and mod-trolled. That is what has brought us to this sorry pass of complaints/scandals due to those troll-mod tactics/abuses. The fact that I PROVED that troll-mod gang/collusion/abuses were REAL in the case of RealityCheck and further cases, it became MORE DIFFICULT for the mod-trolls to permaban without further proving my point/accusations. Hence the insidious campaign by Trippy to slowly 'build up' trumped up infractions against me so that he could 'present' that to you or some other gullible/compliant mod to ban me, not realizing that Trippy has trumped up the cumulative infractions against me for his own troll-mod agenda, and hoping to get you or someone else to do the dirty work and finally free him from being challenged by me whenever he tries his mod-troll tactics/abuses on someone.

Kitta, it's obvious you have no idea what has been going on at this site or elsewhere over many years now, or you wouldn't have come back with that stale and worn lame 'rationalizing' as an 'argument'.

Get it now? After all that has transpired here and elsewhere, and after being again challenged by someone who PROVED their mod-troll behaviour in the past and more recently, it would be MORE PROOF that I was right if they blatantly permabanned me 'just like that'. No, it will have to be more 'subtle' than that, hence Trippy's constant abuses of power in trumping up and giving me infractions and suspensions until they 'add up' to some critical mass that he can use an 'excuse' when asking YOU or some other naive/uninformed mod to do the dirty and permaban me.

Don't believe all the infractions, Kitta, they were all trumped up and also to divert attention from Trippy's misdemeanours by 'blaming his victim'. Wise up quick, Kitta, or you will be someone's stooge without realizing it and doing their dirty work for them and believing you are doing the right thing when you are not.

I had logged out and was checking for egregious typos when I saw your above lame 'argument', so I had to log in again to help dispel some of your obvious innocent naivete' as demonstrated by your above response. No hard feelings. Good luck and again, bye for now, Kitta, everyone.

 

[Trippy]

...they were all trumped up and also to divert attention from Trippy's misdemeanours by 'blaming his victim'...

I am going to take a moment to address this bogus accusation.

I quote here from the sciforums rules:

Interpersonal arguments
...
8. Do not engage in flame wars with other members. The argument that ‘He insulted me first’ is unlikely to help you if a moderator has to step in.​

This is what you call victim blaiming. The only thing I have ever asked you to do is not respond to insults in a provocative manner (eg by calling people trolls in the thread), as per sciforums rules.

This forms part of the background of informal warnings, moderator notes and various other opportunities I gave you before any of the bans I issued you.

 

[Undefined]

Hi Trippy. I was just posting some information to Aqueous and thought I'd just check for typos before logging off again. That's when I saw this further BS excuse-ridden post from you, so I took a moment to respond and then go again...

I am going to take a moment to address this bogus accusation.

I quote here from the sciforums rules:

Interpersonal arguments
...
8. Do not engage in flame wars with other members. The argument that ‘He insulted me first’ is unlikely to help you if a moderator has to step in.​

This is what you call victim blaiming. The only thing I have ever asked you to do is not respond to insults in a provocative manner (eg by calling people trolls in the thread), as per sciforums rules.

This forms part of the background of informal warnings, moderator notes and various other opportunities I gave you before any of the bans I issued you.

They WERE reported. Nothing was being done. Hence necessary to defend oneself in context/thread concerned.

The use of that "excuse" for equating the victim to the troll responsible, and then ending up banning the victim and letting the troll off with a slap on the wrist and allowed to do it all again and again, makes a mockery of the excuse you trot out to cover your lack of conscientious diligence and action to remedy and prevent recurrence of the trolling which caused the problem. Instead, you use convenient rationalizations for blaming and banning victims while you turn a blind eye to the trolls responsible for the problems again and again which victims have to defend against because reporting them only makes the victim more of a target for future mod-troll victimization/framing/banning abuses of mod position/power.

Trippy, get over your 'denial' state and start working on actually correcting your significant character flaws and prejudices nborn of obsessive-compulsive ego-tripping needs at victims' expense. Your and others mod-troll gang behaviour/tactics was exposed and proven already across the net via experiments. You and your 'mates' were 'busted' good and proper. Get over it and change your modus operandi to more closely accord with your espoused claims to being 'objective scientist'. So far you and that ethos seem strangers to each other. Get acquainted asap, and save yourself from the epitaph "Troll-Mod is all I ever was" being the only legacy you leave behind. In any case, nothing 'personal', it's the principle of the thing. No hard feelings personally. Good luck, and bye for now, Trippy.

 

[Kittamaru]

Are you really this naive newbie at this, Kitta? That lame rationalization has been offered before in the past by many troll-mods on many occasions here and elsewhere on the net, and it never washed as a an argument.

I WAS unfairly permabanned as RealityCheck. The proven mod-troll gang/tactics were responsible. I proved it by experiment and James R allowed me back as Undefined. I was still 'framed' and trolled and mod-trolled. That is what has brought us to this sorry pass of complaints/scandals due to those troll-mod tactics/abuses. The fact that I PROVED that troll-mod gang/collusion/abuses were REAL in the case of RealityCheck and further cases, it became MORE DIFFICULT for the mod-trolls to permaban without further proving my point/accusations. Hence the insidious campaign by Trippy to slowly 'build up' trumped up infractions against me so that he could 'present' that to you or some other gullible/compliant mod to ban me, not realizing that Trippy has trumped up the cumulative infractions against me for his own troll-mod agenda, and hoping to get you or someone else to do the dirty work and finally free him from being challenged by me whenever he tries his mod-troll tactics/abuses on someone.

Kitta, it's obvious you have no idea what has been going on at this site or elsewhere over many years now, or you wouldn't have come back with that stale and worn lame 'rationalizing' as an 'argument'.

Get it now? After all that has transpired here and elsewhere, and after being again challenged by someone who PROVED their mod-troll behaviour in the past and more recently, it would be MORE PROOF that I was right if they blatantly permabanned me 'just like that'. No, it will have to be more 'subtle' than that, hence Trippy's constant abuses of power in trumping up and giving me infractions and suspensions until they 'add up' to some critical mass that he can use an 'excuse' when asking YOU or some other naive/uninformed mod to do the dirty and permaban me.

Don't believe all the infractions, Kitta, they were all trumped up and also to divert attention from Trippy's misdemeanours by 'blaming his victim'. Wise up quick, Kitta, or you will be someone's stooge without realizing it and doing their dirty work for them and believing you are doing the right thing when you are not.

I had logged out and was checking for egregious typos when I saw your above lame 'argument', so I had to log in again to help dispel some of your obvious innocent naivete' as demonstrated by your above response. No hard feelings. Good luck and again, bye for now, Kitta, everyone.

Right, right... so I ask again - if we are so tyrannical, why haven't we re-banned you under this name for being such a loudmouthed pain in the ass?

Simply put... we aren't. Now, in my honest opinion, it is only a matter of time until you are banned again as you have a penchant for disobeying the rules...

Which, by the way, include this:

Being a repeat-offending drain on moderator time and effort.

So, you see, becoming an excessive drain on moderator time and effort is also a bannable offense.

 

[Trippy]

They WERE reported. Nothing was being done. Hence necessary to defend oneself in context/thread concerned.

This is a demonstrable lie. The rest of your post follows from thhis demonstrable lie.

I don't believe for a minute that there is nothing personal going on here, and that you have no hard feelings towards me.

 

[Undefined]

Right, right... so I ask again - if we are so tyrannical, why haven't we re-banned you under this name for being such a loudmouthed pain in the ass?

Simply put... we aren't. Now, in my honest opinion, it is only a matter of time until you are banned again as you have a penchant for disobeying the rules...

So, you now indulge in 'framing' tactics yourself? How silly, now that these tactics have been exposed.

And it is telling of how quickly and willingly you are going down the slippery path to corrupting your own integrity for ego's sake, that you consider LEGITIMATE VICTIM COMPLAINTS a PAIN IN THE ASS. Are you in the Catholic Church by any chance? Is that how you 'painted' YOUR victims in your church? Too nasty for words, Kitta.

I have to take back my assumption that you were a 'good and fair guy' type. You have just revealed your true ego and colours by maintaining that lame 'blame the victim' line, and adding insult to injury by making lame arguments like that above.

Did you not read where I said my exposing/proving the mod-troll abuses via internet experiments makes it difficult to be BLATANT about 'permabanning' me now. It has to be done more circumspectly, and it seems you are stupid enough or all too eager to join in on the 'cumulative' framing to that end. Bah. You are just another poor sod lost to ego and power and 'running with the herd or be trampled yourself' gang mentality which the well-practiced PROVEN troll-mod gang has brought to your feet and you accept without demur. Shame on you. I hope your spouse never learns of what you are now doing to add insult to injury of the victims involved.

Poor Kitta. Such threats and pressure from a position of mod status are part and parcel of the coercion and intimidation implicit in mod-troll abuses of various degrees of subtlety. Do as you wish, silly boy. I tried to warn you against the corruption tendencies which power and ego bring in your position, but you thank me with insensitive and outrageous threats like that? Bye and good luck, Kitta, you'll need it if you go on as you have been lately.

 

[origin]

Are you really this naive newbie at this, Kitta? That lame rationalization has been offered before in the past by many troll-mods on many occasions here and elsewhere on the net, and it never washed as a an argument.

I WAS unfairly permabanned as RealityCheck. The proven mod-troll gang/tactics were responsible. I proved it by experiment and James R allowed me back as Undefined. I was still 'framed' and trolled and mod-trolled. That is what has brought us to this sorry pass of complaints/scandals due to those troll-mod tactics/abuses. The fact that I PROVED that troll-mod gang/collusion/abuses were REAL in the case of RealityCheck and further cases, it became MORE DIFFICULT for the mod-trolls to permaban without further proving my point/accusations. Hence the insidious campaign by Trippy to slowly 'build up' trumped up infractions against me so that he could 'present' that to you or some other gullible/compliant mod to ban me, not realizing that Trippy has trumped up the cumulative infractions against me for his own troll-mod agenda, and hoping to get you or someone else to do the dirty work and finally free him from being challenged by me whenever he tries his mod-troll tactics/abuses on someone.

Kitta, it's obvious you have no idea what has been going on at this site or elsewhere over many years now, or you wouldn't have come back with that stale and worn lame 'rationalizing' as an 'argument'.

Get it now? After all that has transpired here and elsewhere, and after being again challenged by someone who PROVED their mod-troll behaviour in the past and more recently, it would be MORE PROOF that I was right if they blatantly permabanned me 'just like that'. No, it will have to be more 'subtle' than that, hence Trippy's constant abuses of power in trumping up and giving me infractions and suspensions until they 'add up' to some critical mass that he can use an 'excuse' when asking YOU or some other naive/uninformed mod to do the dirty and permaban me.

Don't believe all the infractions, Kitta, they were all trumped up and also to divert attention from Trippy's misdemeanours by 'blaming his victim'. Wise up quick, Kitta, or you will be someone's stooge without realizing it and doing their dirty work for them and believing you are doing the right thing when you are not.

I had logged out and was checking for egregious typos when I saw your above lame 'argument', so I had to log in again to help dispel some of your obvious innocent naivete' as demonstrated by your above response.

You rant, rave, inflame, insult and add nothing of substance to the forum. It is like you are begging to be banned and I certainly think you wish should be fulfilled.

No hard feelings. Good luck and again, bye for now, Kitta, everyone.

It is so annoying that you spew so much bile and venom in your posts and then seem to think you can dodge resposibility by ending your posts with your insincere and hollow platitudes.

 

[Undefined]

This is a demonstrable lie. The rest of your post follows from thhis demonstrable lie.

I don't believe for a minute that there is nothing personal going on here, and that you have no hard feelings towards me.

Believe it or not, life is too short for personal grudges and hard feelings. I am old and experienced enough to know and understand and practice this as policy of an objective intellect.

You on the other hand, because of demonstrated your ego-tripping obsessive-compulsive driven prejudicial mindset, find it difficult to believe that I bear no personal grudge, and that it is purely the principle that drives the observations about you so far.

I have scientific dispassionate detachment whereas you obviously have not; as your bias and personally motivated abuses demonstrate.

Hence why I can say, and honestly mean, that I have no personal hard feelings towards you; only detached and objective observation on your bias/abuses as troll-mod. You know, it's the principle of the thing: That troll-mods should not prosper in the shadows behind the scenes. They should be exposed and called out for what they are, dispassionately without personal animosity or other unnecessary to-do.

Look to your own character, Trippy. Be dispassionate and fair, and then maybe you will understand that it IS possible for me to harbor no ill will towards you personally. It's the principle of the thing that drives all this from my end. Believe it or not. Good luck!

 

[Kittamaru]

Ranting

Interesting... not sure how I'm framing you... I simply stated what I see happening. You are lashing out at pretty much everyone around you. You are far removed from the reality of the site, and I simply don't see it being long before you end up removed entirely.

 

[Undefined]

You rant, rave, inflame, insult and add nothing of substance to the forum. It is like you are begging to be banned and I certainly think you wish should be fulfilled.



It is so annoying that you spew so much bile and venom in your posts and then seem to think you can dodge resposibility by ending your posts with your insincere and hollow platitudes.

Your fantasy version of my actions is noted. Great fiction, troll! Pity it bears no relation to the actual facts/record.

I only responded and voted in a thread opened for that purpose. What have you been doing with your life and intellect, troll? And if you can't believe I harbour no ill will personally, then you and Trippy are suffering from a similar lack of dispassionate intellect and experience which teaches that life is too short for personal grudges. Why is it so hard for you trolls to even comprehend that "it's the principle of the thing" that drives me in this. As it should be for all objective scientists/discoursers. Good luck, origin. No hard feelings still!

 

[Bells]

Touchy! No, I can see why the idea of a popular vote might seem unappealing. But my information indicates that the ownership is a little distant at the moment. That might explain some things.

The last time we had a moderator elected by popular vote, the individual in question mass banned people he did not like, looked up people's IP and tracked them down somehow or other, called one guy at his workplace and threatened him since the individual used to post from his work. All within a few days.

That is why popular vote is unappealing.

Your information is incorrect. Whenever I have PM'ed the owners about a concern or seeking advice on how to proceed about a particular issue that has to be taken to the owners, they usually respond within 24 hours, with only one exception... So I don't quite see or understand why you think they are distant at the moment?

 

[Undefined]

Interesting... not sure how I'm framing you... I simply stated what I see happening. You are lashing out at pretty much everyone around you. You are far removed from the reality of the site, and I simply don't see it being long before you end up removed entirely.

The fact that you "don't see" what is happening to you, and what you are doing, is the most frightening thing about what is happening to you, Kitta. Take a step back and reconsider everything you think you know about it. Get out of it while you still have some chance to restore your good name. Good luck.

 

[Undefined]

The last time we had a moderator elected by popular vote, the individual in question mass banned people he did not like, looked up people's IP and tracked them down somehow or other, called one guy at his workplace and threatened him since the individual used to post from his work. All within a few days.

That is why popular vote is unappealing.

Your information is incorrect. Whenever I have PM'ed the owners about a concern or seeking advice on how to proceed about a particular issue that has to be taken to the owners, they usually respond within 24 hours, with only one exception... So I don't quite see or understand why you think they are distant at the moment?

Are you implying that present mod-trolls who abuse their power against victims are beyond doing the same as that mod you mentioned? Can you guarantee that no mod here NOW, including yourself, is NOT abusing his position/clearance/access to do similar 'tracking' for personal agendas?

It always boils down to a trust thing, doesn't it. Good luck with that.

Anyhow, gotta go! Bye for now, everyone.

 

[Bells]

The fact that you "don't see" what is happening to you, and what you are doing, is the most frightening thing about what is happening to you, Kitta. Take a step back and reconsider everything you think you know about it. Get out of it while you still have some chance to restore your good name. Good luck.

You were allowed to return here and given another chance under a whole new name by the administrator of this site. Instead of altering your behaviour towards other poster's and staff alike and towards discussions on this site, you have continued to behave in the way in which your previous moniker behaved, which ultimately saw that name banned from this site. If you persist in continuing with the exact same behaviour that saw you banned the first time as RealityCheck, rest assured, you will find yourself banned permanently from this site with zero chance of another chance.

You have been repeatedly warned by the staff and received a plethora of advice and advance notice that your behaviour was unacceptable. There are no more chances for you. Do you understand this now? At all? Your last ban was for one month. On the scale of how warnings and bans work on this site, that was your last chance. If we have to ban you again, it will be for a month while the staff decide whether to extend it to being a permanent ban. I can assure you, that will more than likely be the case, because you have made absolutely no effort to curb your behaviour that saw your previous account banned from here.

I have seen my colleagues use kid gloves with you, keep giving you chances. I don't do kid gloves. That is pretty much it.

This whole 'the system corrupts' thing, complaining about a gang that is targeting you like it's a conspiracy, none of that will work. Because believe me, if there was such a thing, you'd be gone by now.. The moderators unfortunate enough to have to deal with you directly would certainly not have given you the amount of chances they have given you.

What happens from here is entirely up to you. Not us. You are the only one who controls your behaviour. I'd suggest you start to do so. There will be no other chances.

If you are unhappy that all your choices have run out, I'd suggest you PM James R with your complaint.

 

[Kittamaru]

The fact that you "don't see" what is happening to you, and what you are doing, is the most frightening thing about what is happening to you, Kitta. Take a step back and reconsider everything you think you know about it. Get out of it while you still have some chance to restore your good name. Good luck.

I have stepped back and thought about it. What I have come to find is that there are certain members here who are not here for "scientific debate" or even alternative discussion... but rather just to point fingers, make accusations, troll, and generally be distasteful.

 

[Bells]

Are you implying that present mod-trolls who abuse their power against victims are beyond doing the same as that mod you mentioned? Can you guarantee that no mod here NOW, including yourself, is NOT abusing his position/clearance/access to do similar 'tracking' for personal agendas?

It always boils down to a trust thing, doesn't it. Good luck with that.

Anyhow, gotta go! Bye for now, everyone.

At no time did I even suggest that any of the current staff would do such a thing. It's best to read the words that are written instead of trying to make things up.

Secondly, I have never ever, nor would I ever do such a thing. And frankly, tracking for personal agendas.. Could you be more insulting? No, I would never do such a thing and no, I do not have any personal agendas.

Thirdly, yes, it does boil down to trust, which is why the owners know that there are some things we would never tolerate. And that is if anyone dared to breach that level of trust.

The issue with popular vote, as this site found, was that people wholly unsuited and who did have agendas and who were, frankly, psycho's, ended up being elected. I trust my colleagues implicitly in that regard. Because I know they would never do such a thing. If they did, then there would be hell to pay, and more than likely, police involvement.

 

[Kittamaru]

Are you implying that present mod-trolls who abuse their power against victims are beyond doing the same as that mod you mentioned? Can you guarantee that no mod here NOW, including yourself, is NOT abusing his position/clearance/access to do similar 'tracking' for personal agendas?

It always boils down to a trust thing, doesn't it. Good luck with that.

Anyhow, gotta go! Bye for now, everyone.

Can you prove that you are not somehow attempting to track members of the forum down? It wouldn't be that hard, to be honest... even without moderator access.

We have, on occasion, used a members IP address to locate them; to memory, one instance of this was someone who had become increasingly depressed and had made a post that indicated a possible suicide attempt was going to happen. I do not recall, though, what the outcome of that was - if memory serves we may have contacted a local authority, but I honestly don't remember. I do know that, in a case like that, it seems to be our duty to try and intervene.

That is something we are trusted with.

 

[dumbest man on earth]

I can only concur with all of Undefined's stated objective observations.

However, I, dmoe, have used the "Report Button" to report paddoboys "Trolling".
It appeared that Trippy agreed that paddoboy was indeed "Trolling" because the "Reported" Post - the "Evidence" of paddoboy's "Trolling" - got "Deleted" from the Thread.

As I have explained to you in the past, as a moderator I have several courses of action available to me:

1. Do nothing.
2. Edit the offending portions out of the post.
3. Delete the post.
4. Issue a yellow card infringement.
5. Issue a red card infringement.

Deleting posts isn't the great conspiracy you seem to want it to be. It's standard procedure, every forum deletes posts.

This is the First and Only Forum that I, dmoe, Post on.
I am not familiar with any Standard Procedure.

May I inquire if any other Moderators/Administrators saw or observed the Posts, Prior to them being "Deleted".

May I inquire if any other Moderators/Administrators were involved in the decision to "Delete" those Posts?

Honestly, I, dmoe, never mentioned the word "conspiracy".

Also, what I, dmoe, honestly want is simply : Honest, Earnest and Intelligent discussions...Period.