That is absolutely horrifying. It's hard to imagine the state of mind a person must be in to commit such an act. They must be desensitized from a very early age. Animals do not even behave like this. Human beings are disgusting.
Rape in Africa
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That is absolutely horrifying. It's hard to imagine the state of mind a person must be in to commit such an act. They must be desensitized from a very early age. Animals do not even behave like this. Human beings are disgusting.
Animals with lowered fitness tend to engage in rape to make up for the possibility of death in the near future.
I see no reason why it's not also the case for people- environmental stress makes us act like animals. Which we are.
That is absolutely horrifying. It's hard to imagine the state of mind a person must be in to commit such an act. They must be desensitized from a very early age. Animals do not even behave like this. Human beings are disgusting.
It's ugly to our conditioned sensibilities, yes. But that's nature.
As for the desensitized part, I would argue the opposite. People must be conditioned at a very early age not to rape. Otherwise, they will. As ugly as you think it is, it is much more common and natural than you probably think.
And yes, animals do rape. That is, they copulate against the will of the other. It is very common in the animal kingdom. Animals need to deposit their seed to bring forth the next generation in order for their genes to continue existing. Naturally, those genes which exist today are probably pretty good at existing and replicating by whatever means possible. By Whatever Means Possible.
IOW, you are saying that in your opinion, if you were to put a poor person from Malawi next to a poor person from Long Island, both would be astonishingly similar in their goals and outlook.
So tell me, in countries where the poor are getting richer due to increased investment in infrastructure and education, what has happened to the poor? Have they evolved, d'you think? Reached a higher plane of enlightenment?
e.g. my mother was so poor as a child that she never finished her education, wore only one dress that she washed every night and ate only one meal a day for several years. However when she died, she was a rich woman. Hers is not an unusual story in India. So what happened here?
There is truth in what you are saying. In these countries where rape is so prevalent the living conditions and quality of life is piss poor as well. This is why we teach morals and and try to instill character virtues in children. It leads to a better quality of life for everyone. It's what we like to call being more civilized.
A good example of this is the campaigns against bullying in schools. Most schools in Canada have a zero tolerance for bullying. The school administration, teachers, parents and kids work together to be conscious of exactly what bullying is, the different types and how to stop and prevent it. It is working very well. I don't know that we will ever be able to completely irradicate bullying but there is a huge difference in school climates today than even 10 years ago.
kmguru
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Do they rape for fun though, or to humiliate their victims? I doubt human males rape for the need to bring forth future generations.
Really? That would make them even more stupid than I could possibly have imagined. Even for a poor ignorant human, that's the stupidest thing I've heard in a long time.
You shouldn't. There are people who think having a white skin makes them intelligent. And some of those even have PhDs.
Shit. I hate it when you out-clever me.You shouldn't. There are people who think having a white skin makes them intelligent. And some of those even have PhDs.
spidergoat
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That is absolutely horrifying. It's hard to imagine the state of mind a person must be in to commit such an act. They must be desensitized from a very early age. Animals do not even behave like this. Human beings are disgusting.
Chimpanzees also rape.
kmguru
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How do we know? Is it because, we observed this in their captivity? If you are in similar situation, you will too, like in prison!
Mate? Do you mean pair bond or sexual? Chimps begin expressing sexual interest well before reproductive sexual maturity (as do humans). They play and "copulate" among many other otherwise "adult" behaviors.
First, never compare the poor West to the real poor people in Poor countries, that is a disgrace and discredit to these people actually living everyday like its their last. Most poor people in the West are poor due to immidiate circumstances, not macro socio economical. I thought rape was clearly defined concesualy in the West. Even intercourse by intoxication or SUI(sex under the influence) isn't considered rape in most countries because lawyers can argue "under duress", even if you sign a major contract under intoxication the law generaly voids the contract(ask a lawyer). The only time rape is a clear cut case is when both parties are sober and there is evidence beyond reasonable doubt it was against the will of one party; just like an other crime. In Africa anybody can get away with crime if you know the right officials, they do try to curb rape and over popuation but in a time and place where most people are concerned about other "more important goals" you can guess the situation there. And part of the backward problem with rape in Africa, at least from the women viewpoint, is that women's rights are just gradually elevating from what they used to be. These are deep rooted African traditions that they have had to let go for sake of common rights. Ironicaly, the problem with many African states is that they got rich too quickly. Nigeria for example, discovered commercial oil and gas barely after 20 years of independence, the officials went on a shopping spree(some of it personal but some included public infratsrcture), thinking the white man would do everything or most for them and failing to develope adequate professional personal, they ended in debt, safe to say "easy come, easy go". They are learning from these mistakes and are in fact out of debt with the Paris Club, not sure about the IMF. kmguru, I don't believe Africans are racist towards Chinese and brown skin, at least not so intentionaly, there are many Chinese oil and gas firms in East Africa. There are man Lebanese in Nigeria, which also used to host a huge East Indian population in the 90's. When it comes to racism there is always a pesonal reason or ignorance behind what you see.
ok, do you know if that is only amongst juveniles? i wonder if they recognize age?
kmguru
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I am sorry, I did not believe it either. But it is true. We are dealing with business people, diplomats daily from Liberia, Cameroon, Ghana, Uganda, Namibia and South Africa. Liberia has major problems with Chinese and Indians. Next group is Cameroon. They have a problem with the Chinese and then Namibia. Uganda, we do not know yet except they kicked out the Indians, on the other hand we understand that the some Indians do not support the country. We will find out as the business team is coming to US for major economic development.
First of all, the Chinese have a problem with everybody. East Indians are sociopaths because they never mingle with anybody not Indian, that dosn't mean they are not nice. The problem with India and China is that they have this ethnocentrism that stems from being near a billion, but its not excatly ethnocentrism, I think they deal with enough people than to respect another dude from some nationality. You would be humble if your country only had about 8 million people max, just look at belgium.
I'm not discounting that some men use rape to humiliate, it's just that, being a man, I know how strong the urge can be to have sex and dominate. It makes evolutionary sense why men would be compelled to rape women. We don't have sexual urges to humiliate or violate or belittle women. We have sexual urges so that we act on them and perpetuate our genes, which will likely bring spawn to a new litter of rapists.
There is some evidence that females in some species, in some sense, "want" to be raped. Female mink, for example, must be attacked by the male and must actually be bled in order for her to ovulate. If she isn't forcefully copulated with, success will not occur. There have also been some studies which indicate that women who have been date raped are more likely to date the rapist again if he was successful in raping her. In other words, she was more attracted to the successful rapist and more repelled by the failed rapist. This, again, makes evolutionary sense. From the evolutionary viewpoint, it is favorable for a woman to mate with a man who is a competent rapist. This is because her progeny will have the genes for being good rapists, and therefore, give her lots of grandchildren. That's the bottom line.