Questions about light

[James R]

jcc:

1. If light is photon particle, why is the strongest laser beam cannot bend a flame or move smoke?

To interact with some atoms, the laser light must be at a frequency at which it will be absorbed by the atoms. A suitably-tuned laser will interact with smoke particles or a flame.

Where did you read that "the strongest laser beam cannot bend flame or move smoke"? Or is this based on your own experience in some way?

2. If light is em wave, why is laser beam not bending by strongest em fields?

Laser light can be affected by electromagnetic fields - particularly its polarisation.

An electric field or a magnetic field alone will not bend a laser beam because, as paddoboy said, the laser beam does not contain any charged particles.

The laser is strong enough to cut steel plate, yet not able to bend a flame or move smoke

A laser that melts steel is absorbed by the steel. The same light will not necessary be absorbed by a diffuse gas such as in smoke or a flame.

If photon has no charge, how it carries em waves?

Electromagnetic waves have no charge either. Photons are essentially electromagnetic waves (in quantised packets).

If a photon is an em wave, how em wave knock out electron in photoelectric effect? Like sound waves knock out dust from the wall?

In the photoelectric effect, an incoming photon must have a frequency suitable to lift an electron out of one of the occupied energy levels of the metal that it is falling on. If the photon frequency is too low, nothing happens. When a photon ejects an electron, the photon is absorbed by the electron and its energy goes partly to removing the electron from the metal, with any excess ending up as kinetic energy of the ejected electron.

Laser is photon particle beam, those photons have momentum, able to cut through steel plate...

It is not the impact of the photons that cuts the steel. It is the depositing of the energy of many photons in the metal, causing it to heat and eventually melt.

Isn't flame atoms should absorb photons momentum and move at photons direction?

Yes, but only if the photon frequency is just right so that the flame atoms can absorb the light.

This effect is the principle by which laser cooling of diffuse atoms works, by the way. Bose-Einstein condensation relies on exactly the effect of absorption of photons by a diffuse gas that you are describing.

Hope this helps!

 

[jcc]

jcc:


To interact with some atoms, the laser light must be at a frequency at which it will be absorbed by the atoms. A suitably-tuned laser will interact with smoke particles or a flame.

Where did you read that "the strongest laser beam cannot bend flame or move smoke"? Or is this based on your own experience in some way?


Laser light can be affected by electromagnetic fields - particularly its polarisation.

An electric field or a magnetic field alone will not bend a laser beam because, as paddoboy said, the laser beam does not contain any charged particles.


A laser that melts steel is absorbed by the steel. The same light will not necessary be absorbed by a diffuse gas such as in smoke or a flame.


Electromagnetic waves have no charge either. Photons are essentially electromagnetic waves (in quantised packets).


In the photoelectric effect, an incoming photon must have a frequency suitable to lift an electron out of one of the occupied energy levels of the metal that it is falling on. If the photon frequency is too low, nothing happens. When a photon ejects an electron, the photon is absorbed by the electron and its energy goes partly to removing the electron from the metal, with any excess ending up as kinetic energy of the ejected electron.


It is not the impact of the photons that cuts the steel. It is the depositing of the energy of many photons in the metal, causing it to heat and eventually melt.


Yes, but only if the photon frequency is just right so that the flame atoms can absorb the light.

This effect is the principle by which laser cooling of diffuse atoms works, by the way. Bose-Einstein condensation relies on exactly the effect of absorption of photons by a diffuse gas that you are describing.

Hope this helps!

Thank you for the answers. I am not agree at all.

If sunlight able to sail spaceship, why is laser beam not able to bend a flame? Isn't photon has momentum?

The plasma on the sun's surface has no electron to change orbitals, why still emit light?

 

[Dr_Toad]

Wasn't your grammar a little better than this before your last temporary ban? Not to mention your reading comprehension..

Are you channeling Marosz or something?

 

[exchemist]

Wasn't your grammar a little better than this before your last temporary ban? Not to mention your reading comprehension..

Are you channeling Marosz or something?

Nah this troll uses a fake persona, I suspect. My guess is it is a strain trying to keep up exactly the same degree of bad English all the time and that the mask slips occasionally .

 

[origin]

Thank you for the answers. I am not agree at all.

That's too bad since your disagreement is based on ignorance.

If sunlight able to sail spaceship, why is laser beam not able to bend a flame?

This has been explained to you few times. Why don't you point out what you specifically disagree with in the answers already given.

Isn't photon has momentum?

This has been explained to you few times. Why don't you point out what you specifically disagree with in the answers already given.

The plasma on the sun's surface has no electron to change orbitals, why still emit light?

This has been explained to you few times. Why don't you point out what you specifically disagree with in the answers already given.

 

[origin]

We should set up a pool and bet on how long it will be until his next ban. I think the time frame will have to be in hours and not days.

 

[exchemist]

We should set up a pool and bet on how long it will be until his next ban. I think the time frame will have to be in hours and not days.

Well you were right. He's gone forever, at last.

Thank you Mods. What a blessed relief.

 

[paddoboy]

Well you were right. He's gone forever, at last.

Thank you Mods. What a blessed relief.

Our relief will no doubt be to someone else's/science forum's annoyance.

 

[James R]

Thank you for the answers. I am not agree at all.

All the evidence supports what I say and none of it supports what you say. Your agreement or disagreement doesn't matter, unless you can persuade other people that you are right and they are wrong.

If sunlight able to sail spaceship, why is laser beam not able to bend a flame? Isn't photon has momentum?

I already answered this question above. If you require clarification, please ask a more direct question.

The plasma on the sun's surface has no electron to change orbitals, why still emit light?

Highly energetic particles can exchange energy in many ways. One way is to emit or absorb light.

 

[exchemist]

Our relief will no doubt be to someone else's/science forum's annoyance.

Yeah, but anywhere else he'd get banned within about 5 minutes.

 

[Dr_Toad]

And IP blocked.

What ever happened to that feature that is supposed to prevent trolls from posting in the science fora?

 

[sweetpea]

Highly energetic particles can exchange energy in many ways. One way is to emit or absorb light.

Would I be correct in saying... the electrons in a plasma 'emit' photons when accelerated by the EM field of the sun?

 

[Walter L. Wagner]

Would I be correct in saying... the electrons in a plasma 'emit' photons when accelerated by the EM field of the sun?

Yes. A change in velocity for an electron (an electro-magnetic disturbance is what that's called) will be accompanied by an electromagnetic emission; i.e. a photon. This is generally true, unless the electron is in a 'bound' state, such as around a positive charge (e.g. a proton or positron), in which case its quantum state precludes emissions (unless dropping from one higher quantum state to a lower one, which is usually termed x-ray emission; or absorbing a photon and going to a higher quantum state).

 

[brucep]

And IP blocked.

What ever happened to that feature that is supposed to prevent trolls from posting in the science fora?

Good doctor toad. You're the expert. What can you do with the function 'you can't start a thread until you reach some set number of posts'. IE could you stop certain folks from starting a thread based on something other than a minimum number of posts?

 

[Dr_Toad]

I don't know how XenForo works, but most software packages have some sort of permission system that can be triggered on a counter or an admin flag, and configured on a per-group basis, or as granular as a per-user level.

Sorry if I ran on.