Questions about Immunization

billvon said:
It has been demonstrated that it is close to impossible to keep ANYTHING a secret in the US - much less keep the tens of thousands of people necessarily involved in any project of that scope all silent.
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Do you realize how many worked on the Manhattan Project and how long that project was a secret? And do you realize how many pilots, doctors & scientists are speaking out against our government attempting to mitigate climate change with environmentally disastrous geoengineering?
 
Daecon said:
Yeah, well you're gullible and ill-informed.

http://skepdic.com/blaylock.html
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The opening paragraph of your source says:

"Russell Blaylock is a trained neurosurgeon who considers himself an expert on nutrition and toxins in food, cookware, teeth, and vaccines. Contrary to the vast bulk of the scientific evidence, Blaylock maintains that vaccines such as the H1N1 vaccine are dangerous or ineffective; that dental amalgams and fluoridated water are harmful to our health; and that aluminum cookware, aspartame, and MSG are toxic substances causing brain damage."

For the record, I've seen numerous documentaries interviewing many scientists that are opposed to fluoridated water and aspartame. The key issue however seems to be that you regard the corruption of science by corporate and government interests to be impossible.


 
How many lives have vaccines destroyed or ruined?

What percent of Gulf War veterans suffer from Gulf War illness?

"Approximately 250,000 of the 697,000 U.S. veterans who served in the 1991 Gulf War are afflicted with enduring chronic multi-symptom illness, a condition with serious consequences. From 1995 to 2005, the health of combat veterans worsened in comparison with nondeployed veterans, with the onset of more new chronic diseases, functional impairment, repeated clinic visits and hospitalizations, chronic fatigue syndrome-like illness, posttraumatic stress disorder, and greater persistence of adverse health incidents. According to a report by the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan may also suffer from the syndrome." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_syndrome

What might be the cause?

"Aluminum adjuvant linked to Gulf War illness induces motor neuron death in mice."

Abstract
Gulf War illness (GWI) affects a significant percentage of veterans of the 1991 conflict, but its origin remains unknown. Associated with some cases of GWI are increased incidences of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis and other neurological disorders. Whereas many environmental factors have been linked to GWI, the role of the anthrax vaccine has come under increasing scrutiny. Among the vaccine's potentially toxic components are the adjuvants aluminum hydroxide and squalene. To examine whether these compounds might contribute to neuronal deficits associated with GWI, an animal model for examining the potential neurological impact of aluminum hydroxide, squalene, or aluminum hydroxide combined with squalene was developed. Young, male colony CD-1 mice were injected with the adjuvants at doses equivalent to those given to US military service personnel. All mice were subjected to a battery of motor and cognitive-behavioral tests over a 6-mo period postinjections. Following sacrifice, central nervous system tissues were examined using immunohistochemistry for evidence of inflammation and cell death. Behavioral testing showed motor deficits in the aluminum treatment group that expressed as a progressive decrease in strength measured by the wire-mesh hang test (final deficit at 24 wk; about 50%). Significant cognitive deficits in water-maze learning were observed in the combined aluminum and squalene group (4.3 errors per trial) compared with the controls (0.2 errors per trial) after 20 wk. Apoptotic neurons were identified in aluminum-injected animals that showed significantly increased activated caspase-3 labeling in lumbar spinal cord (255%) and primary motor cortex (192%) compared with the controls. Aluminum-treated groups also showed significant motor neuron loss (35%) and increased numbers of astrocytes (350%) in the lumbar spinal cord. The findings suggest a possible role for the aluminum adjuvant in some neurological features associated with GWI and possibly an additional role for the combination of adjuvants. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17114826
 
Eugene Shubert said:
Do you realize how many worked on the Manhattan Project and how long that project was a secret?
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About 130,000 people, for 6 years, though not that many of them knew what they were working on. And it wasn't exactly secret, though the specifics of it were. By contrast, that's tiny and short compared to the decades-old "chemtrails" conspiracy theory.
 
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Russ_Watters said:
About 130,000 people, for 6 years. And it wasn't exactly secret, though the specifics of it were. By contrast, that's tiny and short compared to the decades-old "chemtrails" conspiracy theory.
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According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory, the chemtrail conspiracy theory began to circulate in 1996. So how many insiders do you estimate should know all about it?

I've yet to see a rational explanation for why so many pilots, doctors & scientists are speaking out against chemtrails.

 
"Russell Blaylock is a trained neurosurgeon who considers himself an expert on nutrition and toxins in food, cookware, teeth, and vaccines. Contrary to the vast bulk of the scientific evidence, Blaylock maintains that vaccines such as the H1N1 vaccine are dangerous or ineffective; that dental amalgams and fluoridated water are harmful to our health; and that aluminum cookware, aspartame, and MSG are toxic substances causing brain damage."
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Here's the best documentary that I've see on the water fluoridation controversy:

 
I read a book once that said many conspiracy theorists are able to compartmentalize their paranoid delusions, thus enable them to be surprisingly functional members of society. However, I think there must be a limit, beyond which the paranoid delusions interfere with such functionality.
 
Eugene Shubert said:
There's no telling from the abstract what the definition of effective is. Regarding the experts of clear communication, there is no disputing what Dr. Russell Blaylock asserts.
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Or we can deal with reality:

Before 1963, approximately 500,000 cases and 500 deaths were reported annually, with epidemic cycles every 2-3 years. However, the actual number of cases was estimated at 3-4 million annually. More than 50% of persons had measles by age 6, and more than 90% had measles by age 15. The highest incidence was among 5-9-year-olds, who generally accounted for more than 50% of reported cases.

In the years following licensure of vaccine in 1963, the incidence of measles decreased by more than 95%, and 2-3-year epidemic cycles no longer occurred. Because of this success, a 1978 Measles Elimination Program set a goal to eliminate indigenous measles by October 1, 1982 (26,871 cases were reported in 1978). The 1982 elimination goal was not met, but in 1983, only 1,497 cases were reported (0.6 cases per 100,000 population), the lowest annual total ever reported up to that time.​

Do you still wish to question the efficacy of vaccines?

The number went back up after a twat decided to publish a false report, based on shoddy science to sell his own brand of vaccines. The US went from being at the point of eliminating Measles from the American population to now having large measles outbreaks as being a regular occurrence in society.. And why has it come back? Because people are not vaccinating their children.

And you are still questioning immunisation and worse, quoting and linking quacks in a science sub-forum?

Eugene Shubert said:
I have personally witnessed extraordinarily unusual trails from airplanes in the sky about a dozen times for a little less than a year now and I'm confident that this is a new phenomena. What is so unbelievable about the hypothesis that our government is attempting to mitigate climate change with environmentally disastrous geoengineering? I have no confidence to believe that the US government knows what they're doing.
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Wow..

Do you understand how condensation works? Or, how clouds are made?

Those "unusual trails" are called contrails. They occur because of the air temperature and humidity.

Contrails (/ˈkɒntreɪlz/; short for "condensation trails") or vapor trails are long, thin artificial clouds that sometimes form behind aircraft. Their formation is most often triggered by the water vapor in the exhaust of aircraft engines, but can also be triggered by changes in air pressure in wingtip vortices or in the air over the entire wing surface.[1] Contrails are made of water in the form of a suspension of billions of liquid droplets or ice crystals.

Depending on the temperature and humidity at the altitude the contrails form, they may be visible for only a few seconds or minutes, or may persist for hours and spread to be several miles wide. The resulting cloud forms may resemble cirrus, cirrocumulus, or cirrostratus, and are sometimes called cirrus aviaticus. Persistent spreading contrails are thought by some, without overwhelming scientific proof, to have a significant effect on global climate.[2] [3]​


They are no more poisonous or consist of chemicals than your average cloud floating in the sky.

Eugene Shubert said:
Dr. Russell Blaylock's assertions seem very scientific and credible to me. His attackers strike me as imbalanced and highly unprofessional.
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Blaylock is a quack, pushing bad science that is endangering lives.

I would say that is unprofessional.

Do you realize how many worked on the Manhattan Project and how long that project was a secret? And do you realize how many pilots, doctors & scientists are speaking out against our government attempting to mitigate climate change with environmentally disastrous geoengineering?
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Oh dear lord..

The opening paragraph of your source says:

"Russell Blaylock is a trained neurosurgeon who considers himself an expert on nutrition and toxins in food, cookware, teeth, and vaccines. Contrary to the vast bulk of the scientific evidence, Blaylock maintains that vaccines such as the H1N1 vaccine are dangerous or ineffective; that dental amalgams and fluoridated water are harmful to our health; and that aluminum cookware, aspartame, and MSG are toxic substances causing brain damage."

For the record, I've seen numerous documentaries interviewing many scientists that are opposed to fluoridated water and aspartame. The key issue however seems to be that you regard the corruption of science by corporate and government interests to be impossible.
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Which is why he is a quack. His claims are not backed by science.

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory, the chemtrail conspiracy theory began to circulate in 1996. So how many insiders do you estimate should know all about it?

I've yet to see a rational explanation for why so many pilots, doctors & scientists are speaking out against chemtrails.
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They aren't. Real pilots, doctors and scientists who are not mentally impaired correctly refer to them as contrails.

The doctors, pilots and scientists you are relying on are probably the type to believe that Operation Jade Helm was Obama coming to take the guns from Texans.

It is clear you are somewhat.. well.. I won't say. But it is sufficient to acknowledge that you are a conspiracy theorist who has yet to refer to anything remotely scientific and instead, you are relying on youtube videos. You are not discussing science. You are supporting and encouraging quackery, and yes, supporting the endangering of lives. It is also clear that you have taken this thread to beyond the realms of what is acceptable for the science sub-forums, not to mention you keep driving it off course and you are not even discussing immunisation now, but you are instead diving head first into a brick wall titled 'contrails', not to mention even going in for some anti-fluoride conspiracies and 9/11 ones to boot.

It is possible you are trolling. What is absolutely clear is that you do not belong anywhere near a science sub-forum. Therefore, you shall be relegated to the conspiracy theory sub-forum and you will be very closely monitored.

I would suggest you loosen the tin foil hat because I suspect it is preventing the blood from getting to your brain.
 
Eugene Shubert said:
Do you realize how many worked on the Manhattan Project
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About a dozen who actually knew what was going on.
and how long that project was a secret?
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About five years.
And do you realize how many pilots, doctors & scientists are speaking out against our government attempting to mitigate climate change with environmentally disastrous geoengineering?
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Far less than the number of people who believe in ghosts.

How many have admitted that they were spraying chemicals into the air? Zero.
 
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