Proposal for large scale habitat on Mars.

TheVat said:
(I suppose folks would go around in heavy suits, sewn-in chunks of lead, to prep for their return home)
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Or just build a centrifuge. Hard to do until we have local steel mills there, but is the ultimate solution. We will need them anyway if we ever want women to be able to give birth there.
 
We are stretching the doom thing, aren't we. I would bet your left lung that volunteers would go and do their damnedest to make it work. And they might succeed. Or die trying. And the next group would be on Red Thunder and on their way in days.
 
I read one book where they had turned Ceres into a baby factory. The asteroid is most iron from what we can tell. The premise is that it was used as raw materials for a "belter" facility for women to carry to term. The coriolis effect produces an effect equivalent to gravity.

"With a radius of 296 miles (476 kilometers), Ceres is 1/13 the radius of Earth. If Earth were the size of a nickel, Ceres would be about as big as a poppy seed. From an average distance of 257 million miles (413 million kilometers), Ceres is 2.8 astronomical units away from the Sun."
 
Gawdzilla Sama said:
And if the key requirements aren't met then OBVIOUSLY it's a non-starter UNTIL we find a way to do that. I personally wasn't planning on starting this on Jan. 2nd., 2025.
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Start it sooner.

I think the series For All Mankind kinda jumped the shark with their Mars colonization season. Previous seasons had entire episodes in which most of the dramatic tension pretty much revolved around what was essentially a math problem; then, like all of a sudden, they're on Mars and all that math and physics stuff just kinda seemed to fly out the window. Whatever, it's still a decent show overall.

There's the science, the economics yadda yadda... but what about the psychology? Isn't Antarctica a more "hospitable" and "forgiving" environment on that front? And that ain't saying much. But seriously, people lose their shit over daylight savings time, so I'm not real sure how they're gonna handle an actual longer or shorter day.
 
parmalee said:
But seriously, people lose their shit over daylight savings time, so I'm not real sure how they're gonna handle an actual longer or shorter day.
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It's an extra 37 minutes. Who wouldn't enjoy that? But seriously, I agree about the psychological hurdles and alluded to them in a post yesterday. Much as I would enjoy weighing 65 pounds and being able to stuff a basketball through a regulation hoop, I think there would be restrictions and missing elements of daily Earth life that would demand a particular sort of personality to endure. I have noticed, for instance, that some people seem to be quite comfortable being indoors a lot. That would be an asset. A sort of Low Cabin Fever personality profile.

On the bamboo topic - I think it can be treated to resist rot and maintain structural integrity for a long time. But I'm no expert. Just trying to think outside the box, or outside the steel mill anyway.
 
There is always the concrete.

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Building concrete on Mars from local materials

Imagine you've just gotten to Mars as part of the first contingent of settlers. Your first challenge: build a long-term habitat using local materials. Those might include water from the polar caps mixed with specific surface soils. They might even require some very personal contributions—your...
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TheVat said:
It's an extra 37 minutes. Who wouldn't enjoy that? But seriously, I agree about the psychological hurdles and alluded to them in a post yesterday. Much as I would enjoy weighing 65 pounds and being able to stuff a basketball through a regulation hoop, I think there would be restrictions and missing elements of daily Earth life that would demand a particular sort of personality to endure. I have noticed, for instance, that some people seem to be quite comfortable being indoors a lot. That would be an asset. A sort of Low Cabin Fever personality profile.

On the bamboo topic - I think it can be treated to resist rot and maintain structural integrity for a long time. But I'm no expert. Just trying to think outside the box, or outside the steel mill anyway.
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I've seen highway bridges made from bamboo in areas where it's plentiful and therefore cheap. Never seen it imported to places like Sudan. The failure rate would be anybody's guess. Naturally occurring bamboo isn't produced by any quality control system, so the failure rate would be a finagle factor.
 
TheVat said:
It's an extra 37 minutes. Who wouldn't enjoy that? But seriously, I agree about the psychological hurdles and alluded to them in a post yesterday. Much as I would enjoy weighing 65 pounds and being able to stuff a basketball through a regulation hoop, I think there would be restrictions and missing elements of daily Earth life that would demand a particular sort of personality to endure. I have noticed, for instance, that some people seem to be quite comfortable being indoors a lot. That would be an asset. A sort of Low Cabin Fever personality profile.
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Imagine Elon Musk on Mars! He could finally sink a ball.

But, yeah, that indoors thing would be hugely problematic for a lot of people. I've always fantasized about having a submarine--but only if it had a decent organ and it surfaced for at least a couple of hours, every fifteen minutes or so.

I think Mars colonization--and even just space travel, generally, absent some sort of artificial "slumber" mechanisms--is suitable only for a very narrow personality profile.
 
You can go outdoors on Mars. Proposals for form-fitting suits proceed, but not, to my knowledge, ready to test on Mars yet. When perfected they would ideally be far less cumbersome than the outfits that were needed to go to the South Pole by dog sled.
 
parmalee said:
But, yeah, that indoors thing would be hugely problematic for a lot of people. I've always fantasized about having a submarine--but only if it had a decent organ
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Wait, what?

ETA: Wait, I got it! I was a little slow on the uptake today, Nemo.
 
Gawdzilla Sama said:
You can go outdoors on Mars. Proposals for form-fitting suits proceed, but not, to my knowledge, ready to test on Mars yet. When perfected they would ideally be far less cumbersome than the outfits that were needed to go to the South Pole by dog sled.
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But what if the dogs on Mars mistook the suits for the ones they use in Schutzhund training?

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