problems of Time Travel

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by Elmo, Sep 11, 2001.

  1. ryanknight Registered Member

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    The real question is about 'Time' itself; does time exist?

    Time travel; it either can be achieved, or not - there's no 'sort-of' about it. The larger issue really, is DOES TIME REALLY EXIST as we have been taught?
    Our sense of 'time' is really nothing more than a name given to our witnessing events in a 'linear' way. TIME (according to the greatest thinkers and physicists) does not really exist in an absolute verifiable way, but is instead a subjective choice of perception that we make from an early age. Mystics and avatars have hinted that upon meditating their minds to stillness and eventual enlightenment that everything that will happen already has happened and that there is no linear progression of time outside of our habitual thinking it to be so.

    If this is true, there is nothing necessary or missing from ourselves except for the realization that there is nothing we need to find, attain, or become beyond what we already are. Such an overwhelming truth would be more than most of us could handle, thus the 'agreement' we've made to participate in this 'linear' reality (spiritual pre-school) as long as it takes for us to wake up to what is.

    The idea of going either backwards or forward through a reality that is not truly real is preposterous and full of ego. What would the purpose be of such a journey? Furthermore, if we truly could travel to a distant 'event' or possible future event, our witnessing of such would indeed change that reality, and if we could change such things it would no longer be the 'past' but another present, or a new future that would be opposed to the 'future' that would have presented itself before our journey. Which 'future' would be 'real' and which one would become obsolete? If such travel were possible and one could 'alter' past or future events, future warriors would be running rampant throughout history 'altering' events to suit their political whims. One day we would awaken to a 'reality' that could involve the victory of Nazi Germany and the subsequent world that would entail, the next day we could wake up to the reality that we are now being bred captively as a food source for dinosaurs that did not die out. Time travel through a 'changeable' time-environment would be constantly changing and re-changing, voiding the idea of a true point of reference (past) that was stable. If time travel were possible as many movies have tried to claim it is, nothing would stay the same for long and we would be constantly on the verge of massive upheavals that would feel like a nightmare we could not awaken from.
    What I believe is more likely is that time is not objectively real, but a subjective experience that can be 'altered' (within our own minds) by our choice or manipulated by outside forces. As postulated by mathemeticians, there MUST be other dimensions, realities and worlds that occupy the same 'time' and space as ours. Rather than travel in a linear fashion through time, it would be thus only possible to 'shift' between these alternate realities either willfully or accidentally so that the observer may mistake an alternate dimension as his 'home' dimension and assume he has traveled to another time/place, instead of sideways, into another dimension entirely. I believe all of us have seen these other worlds during sleep and possibly through mind-altering induced trances. (Of course, meditation offers another way without the chemical side-effects.) The beings in these worlds we've glimpsed would be as 'real' as you or I, and would probably be bound to the same thought-limitations from their upbringings, just as most of us are in this 'world'.
    If this theory is true and everything that has happened already has and we are already realized fully and completely (as the Buddha realized), then all things, all power, all potential, and all creation is already before us, around us and within us, and we already are complete in all possible ways.
    A heavy idea, I know, but something tells me it's the truth.

    JUST BE!
     
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  3. kmguru Staff Member

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    How about moving to another space-time distinct to our own say a space-time that is 90 degrees out of phase where you can move back to any point in our time. Or you can invent a device that changes the time phase of this one? If electricity which is EMF has phases to each other, why not time? Just a thought....
     
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  5. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    My previous thoughts in this thread are somewhat different to now. That's because I've had some years to ponder over it.

    My understanding now is something that even Hawking has mentioned, the proposal that we aren't just looking at multiple potential futures but also multiple potential pasts (Something my past comments didn't reflect). This basically means that ever given instance is potentially a completely seperate Universe.

    This make's more sense when you take into context a simple analogy involving people and there memories. I've had it occur a couple of times with people and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one, however throughout your own life you are your own observer, you record your own understanding of what history is. When an event pans out, you see it for the truth and when someone else tells you this memorable event was different in some way it will automatically ring false.

    Now you can argue that one of you is deluded, that one has perhaps a memory that has somehow diverged from the real memory, perhaps through the creation of bragged anecdotes that are like "Polymorphic Whispers".

    However what is more likely, at least in theory is that perhaps both people observed true realities, it's just when dealing as observers within planes of a multiworlds universe that the disagreement about what happened occurs.

    To summarize, I'm saying that two people can see two different outcomes to the same past event from two seperate universes while being in the same "multiverse".

    As for people querying as to why would people time travel and placing it on ego... Actually there is alot more to it. For instance What created the universe in which we exist? (Theory would suggest the universe itself is a grandfather paradox) along with some rather interesting methods to accumilate a whole fountain of knowledge.
     
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  7. kmguru Staff Member

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    I wonder if one can dream about your otherself in a parallel universe and you are quantum entangled in such a way that you can dream the other activities in those places. It has happened to me many times. Different possible cars, house, products etc....but very alike.
     
  8. ryanknight Registered Member

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    All knowledge, all possibilities and all creation are one and through awareness we are inseparable with creation. Therefore, all attempts to gather, or learn or discover/find anything would be from a limited awareness that has separated itself from it's true source, or reality. The problem is that we are born in a state that is much closer to this core awareness and are taught to ignore it and become separate entities. If we were not trained into becomming separate individuals and would be encouraged to expand that gift of awareness babies begin with, we would allow the realization of what we are to manifest much sooner. Striving towards all things 'outside' of oneself is propagated by a 'self' that is separate from what it seeks, which is also called (in the west) as an 'ego'. Until the ego is surrendered and no longer allowed to continue it's deception upon our awareness, one cannot reintegrate into full realization. Once the ego is banished from awareness, all mysteries become known.
     
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