Possibility of star formation around black holes

Beaconator said:
Yes I'm serious. Anywhere gamma rays exist is time zero, making most forms of light infinitesimally close. Quasars are at time 1. and galaxies go negative after a quasar is statistically close in a triangulated position to ourselves.
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Take it easy. :)
 
paddoboy said:
Take it easy. :)
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After considering the profound effect white hole would have on all light in the universe and the cycle between black holes and stars how it that you are unable to follow the effects a tool like the equilibrium of elements on the studies of such profound theoretical ideas?

If we consider the experiment as a galaxy and everyday materials like a medium or alternate galaxies how is it that we would be able to not witness such profound theoretical ideas for ourselves?

If the goal is to recreate every action in the universe with materials and not just mathematics and we have already used and experienced every high energy collision capable of deriving a particle. How is it that we decide which particles are associated with the creation of black holes, white holes, or stars respectively?
 
Beaconator said:
After considering the profound effect white hole would have on all light in the universe and the cycle between black holes and stars how it that you are unable to follow the effects a tool like the equilibrium of elements on the studies of such profound theoretical ideas?
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Word talk ideas that awful you have got confused.

If we consider the experiment as a galaxy and everyday materials like a medium or alternate galaxies how is it that we would be able to not witness such profound theoretical ideas for ourselves?
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I assume that this sentence is demonstrating the danger of trying to do science while drunk.

If the goal is to recreate every action in the universe with materials and not just mathematics and we have already used and experienced every high energy collision capable of deriving a particle. How is it that we decide which particles are associated with the creation of black holes, white holes, or stars respectively?
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Cats without hair look funny.
 
origin said:
Word talk ideas that awful you have got confused.


I assume that this sentence is demonstrating the danger of trying to do science while drunk.


Cats without hair look funny.
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I really don't care if I'm not taken seriously by few individuals, As long as me missing to type the word "is" is the only grounds for complete humiliation.
 
Beaconator said:
I really don't care if I'm not taken seriously by few individuals, As long as me missing to type the word "is" is the only grounds for complete humiliation.
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That was the only problem with your post, you left out 'is'? I didn't even notice that...
 
If 75% of the universe is hydrogen by mass and we gravitate towards the highest mass does that mean 75% of a black hole or quasar is hydrogen?
 
Beaconator said:
If 75% of the universe is hydrogen by mass and we gravitate towards the highest mass does that mean 75% of a black hole or quasar is hydrogen?
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I think it is safe to say that the mass that made black holes was made up primarily of hydrogen.
 
origin said:
I think it is safe to say that the mass that made black holes was made up primarily of hydrogen.
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So it should follow that the percentages of elements in the universe are reflections of what mass was used to create black holes.
 
Beaconator said:
So it should follow that the percentages of elements in the universe are reflections of what mass was used to create black holes.
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I am glad you suggested that, because it allowed me to reassess my response and realize that I was wrong in what I said. Actually the make up of a star prior to collapse is composed of heavier element and the H and He are in the outer layers of the star which is blown off during the supernova that precedes the formation of the black hole. So the elements that made a black hole from a collapsed star are not a reflection of the percentages of the universe as a whole.
 
If a cross section of a star was looked at, the best analogy would be the layers of the cross section of an Onion...lighter elements occupy the outer layers, while heavier elements occupy the inner layers, up to at least Fe/Ni.
 
origin said:
I am glad you suggested that, because it allowed me to reassess my response and realize that I was wrong in what I said. Actually the make up of a star prior to collapse is composed of heavier element and the H and He are in the outer layers of the star which is blown off during the supernova that precedes the formation of the black hole. So the elements that made a black hole from a collapsed star are not a reflection of the percentages of the universe as a whole.
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Inn your opinion would there be less heavy elements and more light ones or more heavy and less light ones or whould they all exist equal;ly? where a BLACK HOLE is concerned.
 
Beaconator said:
Inn your opinion would there be less heavy elements and more light ones or more heavy and less light ones or whould they all exist equal;ly? where a BLACK HOLE is concerned.
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It would be incorrect to refer to a black hole as being composed of elements. A black hole contains no elements.
 
Beaconator said:
So objects fall in and cease to exist in your opinion?
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As the objects fall into a black hole they are torn into a stream of atoms due to tidal forces and then the atoms are torn into protons and neutrons. So yes any objects or elements will cease to exist as they fall into a black hole.

Btw is your keyboard getting sticky?
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Not that I am aware of.
 
origin said:
As the objects fall into a black hole they are torn into a stream of atoms due to tidal forces and then the atoms are torn into protons and neutrons. So yes any objects or elements will cease to exist as they fall into a black hole.
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Would the percentages of elements in a black hole average to be about the same as the universe or closer to what is found within a star? Would it depend upon which galaxy it was in and what percentages were found there?
 
Beaconator said:
So objects fall in and cease to exist in your opinion?
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origin has given a good account as to what happens when falling into a BH. The term actually used is spaghettification caused by the difference in pull between ones feet and his head.
The larger a BH is of course, the less the effects of spaghettification caused by tidal gravity effects.
A galactic SMBH for instance, maybe able to be crossed with not much harm at all, until one got closer to the singularity.



Beaconator said:
Would the percentages of elements in a black hole average to be about the same as the universe or closer to what is found within a star? Would it depend upon which galaxy it was in and what percentages were found there?
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??? Depends on the metallic content of the star from whence it formed.
And anyway, all elements as already mentioned, would be broken down into their most basic constituents...
 
Beaconator said:
Would the percentages of elements in a black hole average to be about the same as the universe or closer to what is found within a star?
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The percentages of the elements that formed the blackhole would not be the same as the percentages of the element that make up the universe.

Would it depend upon which galaxy it was in and what percentages were found there?
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No not really, because regardless of the percentages of the elements that start out in the star the final percentages of the elements in the star at the end of its life are ususally about the same for all stars of a given mass.
 
paddoboy said:
origin has given a good account as to what happens when falling into a BH. The term actually used is spaghettification caused by the difference in pull between ones feet and his head.
The larger a BH is of course, the less the effects of spaghettification caused by tidal gravity effects.
A galactic SMBH for instance, maybe able to be crossed with not much harm at all, until one got closer to the singularity.





??? Depends on the metallic content of the star from whence it formed.
And anyway, all elements as already mentioned, would be broken down into their most basic constituents...
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So a black hole is one gigantic boson of pastafarianism?
 
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