Re: HERE YOU ALL GO:
Originally posted by Squashbuckler
Here it is then :
The flaws that buddhism teaches :
#1.Reducing attachment towards life.
actually, not basing you decision on outcome, which is what nonattachment is about, doing what you need or want to do wihtout regaurd for outcome, is very much what ayn rand taught. maybe you've been reading somone else's books.
#2. Elimination of desire.
this has to do with non attachment, it's not desire for anything in general, it's desire for outcome. but that would only be clear if you had done some reasearch.
#3. Eliminating self-cherishing.
it teaches to not hold yourself above others, as no progress can be made by anyone who holds themselves above another. in all of time, it has never happened. it is basically a comment on that fact. it is not about not liking yourself, just about not thinking your better than others.
#4. Considering yourself the lowest, and most humble.
has it occured to you that you say everything twice?
see point above for answer to this.
#5. Altruism, help others before yourself.
the concept here, is cause and effect, by helping someone else, it causes an effect that will get back to you in some way and most likely when you least expect it. this phenomenon can be observed in everyday life. it's not a matter of oppinion really, just a matter of paying attention.
#6.Loving everyone. Wouldnt you say that loving everyone equally would be an injustice to those who deserve to be loved?
Not everyone deserves to be loved.
i can certainly understand that viewpoint and, not agreeing or disagreeing, i am curious what the standards are. that is, what must one do to deserve to be loved. and who makes the final decision?
#8. The statement that pure contentment is suicidal.
what exactly does this mean? it is words in a row, that much is evident, but it seems to accomplish a miraculous feet of using seven words to say nothing at all. maybe you mean that you think buddhism is against contentment? i'm not sure, no one who had studied buddhism would believe that. i don't know what you mean here. please clarify it.
#9.Wanting to eliminate "I" and the ego.
it's not about elininating yourself, it's a biproduct, it's about realizing that you are a part of this world, and that your contributiion to the world is sacred.
#10. The idea that karma will get all those who have mistreated you.
why do those that mistreat you need to be gotten at all? i'm not saying they do or dont but have you really asked yourself this question?
All of these will lead to low self-esteem.
could you show me the documentation on that? which studies show these points or are you just making a generalization?
Buddhism teaches to sit around and stagnate.
Its self-immolation.
where in buddhist doctrine is this listed? i see in buddhist doctrine about seeking understanding within yourself. but not about stagnation, as it was contrary to everything the buddha stood for: the buddhas strongest "enemies" if you could call it that, being lazy people who have no desire to better themselves or the world.
IF you supoort buddhism, then you might as well support communism,
how did you reach this conclusion? i have seen nothing that links buddhism to communism either dogmatically or socialogically. as a matter of fact, in terms of people hurt by communism, they are just about number one.
"Objectvism teaches to instead of looking into the non-material things for happiness look to the material things."
-Does it really say that? It says to reject mysticm and the unreal.
It says to appreciate and enjoy productive work, as opposed to meditation in a corner (which realy helps no-one at all anyways)
this is a presuppostition. you cannot judge what has or has not helped someone else. i am not saying it does or deosn't only that you have not given any evidence to suggest even by your cause and effect standrads that it helps no one. in a purely medical sense, it reduces stress levels, releases endorphins which lightens the blood flow and helps circluation as well as depletion of blood clots and has a postiive effect on all cardio-respitory ailments, which is the number one killer of human beings. but that aside, i would like to believe that you have a bisis for your assessment and not just a general presupostion with no backing, so please explain the train of thought that led you to this.
if i shoot you, you will die. Cause and effect is VERY REAL.
now you say cause and effect is real, yet reject karma whihc is the very idea of cause and effect.
squash, i'm not saying i disagree or agree with ayn rand, but i'd like to hear your views, or at least have you talk about how you reach your conclusions. it is the process of learning is seeing the process another goes through and then taking it and making it your own, altering it to your needs and lifestyle. so what i'm asking is, please make a point and support it, rather than support it with more presuppositions.
"Objectivism also rejects altruism, which states that the highest good is service to others."
-And rightfully so. Self immolation at the expense of helping others is ludicris.
it's not self immolation, it's self respect in corrolation with respect for the world. it's understanding that you are not the only person in the world and not the most important, rather, just another and how you choose to spend you life has effect and you have to deal with those consequences.
