planets orbit like their stars vibrate ?

A. Leleu et al. Six transiting planets and a chain of Laplace resonances in TOI-178. A&A, in press; doi: 10.1051/0004-6361/202039767

it is astonishing that not one of the papers include the orbit sizes, which together with the resonances give a more complete picture of the wave length involved.
any help?
 
paddoboy said:
The accretion disk model is also heavily evidenced by the fact that we have seen the same process at various stages in other stellar systems.
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yes, here, as an example are the ratios from
TOI 178 a-g. The wavelength in "c" for orbit diameter differences are :
minimum: ~22 light seconds, b-c ( compare the Solar system ~ 300 ls) between Mercury-Venus -Earth. our's 13 times of Toi 178's.
maximum: 52 light seconds a- b; e-f (compare solar system: 9600 ls) between Saturn-Uranus-Neptune-Pluto 1/184 that of here.

Prediction from the alternative PolSo theory: TOI 178 a would have a 22 sec pulsation, a 52 sec pulsation or multiples thereof. A possible habitable planet would orbit @ .1933 or . 2078 AU.

A habitable planet would be at .2 AU, outside this tightly packed known group of planets. If planets past g are in multiples of these listed numbers*, an Earth -like globe would orbit the star at 8 times the largest gap, double of f's orbit, make that .2078 AU , or .1933 AU

Solar system planet orbits spacings are in a geometric progression, doubling as you go out, and Toi 178 has that pattern too, in a way :
(b to c)x 2=, (c-d), x 2=, (d-f) x2 =. f- X would be twice d-f ! for X, the yet to be found Goldilocks planet. more Toi 178 doublings @ b-d x2 = d-g ; and a-b x2 =, b-e.

* from:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exoplanets_discovered_in_2021

Resonances in orbit timings, but surely in the star too.
 
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nebel said:
yes, here, as an example are the ratios from
TOI 178 a-g. The wavelength in "c" for orbit diameter differences are :
minimum: ~22 light seconds, b-c ( compare the Solar system ~ 300 ls) between Mercury-Venus -Earth. our's 13 times of Toi 178's.
maximum: 52 light seconds a- b; e-f (compare solar system: 9600 ls) between Saturn-Uranus-Neptune-Pluto 1/184 that of here.

Prediction from the alternative PolSo theory: TOI 178 a would have a 22 sec pulsation, a 52 sec pulsation or multiples thereof. A possible habitable planet would orbit @ .1933 or . 2078 AU.

A habitable planet would be at .2 AU, outside this tightly packed known group of planets. If planets past g are in multiples of these listed numbers*, an Earth -like globe would orbit the star at 8 times the largest gap, double of f's orbit, make that .2078 AU , or .1933 AU

Solar system planet orbits spacings are in a geometric progression, doubling as you go out, and Toi 178 has that pattern too, in a way :
(b to c)x 2=, (c-d), x 2=, (d-f) x2 =. f- X would be twice d-f ! for X, the yet to be found Goldilocks planet. more Toi 178 doublings @ b-d x2 = d-g ; and a-b x2 =, b-e.

* from:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exoplanets_discovered_in_2021

Resonances in orbit timings, but surely in the star too.
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To your last statement ( the maths are beyond me )

I would think . Resonance , Vibration in the matrix of fluidity .
 
river said:
To your last statement ( the maths are beyond me )
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sorry, but it is quite simple. the terms a,b,c,d,e,f,g and x refer to the designation of the planets their orbits radii in AU.
TOI 178 a, is at the center, = o ;
b @ .02607;
c @ .o370;
d @ ,o591;
e @ .0789;
f @ ,1039;
g @ .1275 AU,;
x, with liquid water (if there is one)@ ` .2 AU.
The formulae show the doubling of orbit spacings . a doubling in frequency, if we consider waves, one understanding of "standing":

at "c" movement through time is at a standstill. Waves become standing.
 
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nebel said:
sorry, but it is quite simple. the terms a,b,c,d,e,f,g and x refer to the designation of the planets their orbits radii in AU.
TOI 178 a, is at the center, = o ;
b @ .02607;
c @ .o370;
d @ ,o591;
e @ .0789;
f @ ,1039;
g @ .1275 AU,;
x, with liquid water (if there is one)@ ` .2 AU.
The formulae show the doubling of orbit spacings . a doubling in frequency, if we consider waves, one understanding of "standing":

at "c" movement through time is at a standstill. Waves become standing.
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What are these waves made of ?

Not because of time but what the waves are made of and the physical object these waves encounter , a star .
 
river said:
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What are these waves made of ?

Not because of time but what the waves are made of and the physical object these waves encounter , a star .
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What is it about the star that causes this wave to be a " standing wave " ? What is going on here ?
 
river said:
What is it about the star that causes this wave to be a " standing wave " ? What is going on here ?
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remember this is just a theory based on the correlation between the 5 minute , 160 minute solar pulsations and planetary orbit sizes. via "c".
Standing waves can be generated by flux over an obstacles like (lenticular clouds), vibrations, harmonics from a single
ping, the interference pattern from more than one pulsation source, (the sun has many repeating cells) colliding of reflected waves, that could have been generated during the contraction, collapse of our molecular cloud.
Which mechanisms were in action, hard to entangle now. Images of early accretion disks show distinct torusses, reminiscent of circular waves.
Spiral arms of galaxies are quasi-standing density waves too., through which matter orbits.
one of the tenets of string theory is that all is vibrations. Stellar vs orbital resonances are ever present .would we be here without them?
 
river said:
What is it about the star that causes this wave to be a " standing wave " ? What is going on here ?
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University College London. "Magnetic waves explain mystery of Sun's outer layer." ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 22 January 2021. <www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/01/210122101636.htm>
wether these magnetic waves are standing or not, they are confined to the outer regions, and might not only transport energy but elements like iron into the corona. making it hotter than the inner layer. defying the first law of thermodynamics.
out-standing waves.
 
James R said:
That's not a very good description. Gravitational radiation has nothing to do with planetary orbits. Nor are the orbits like troughs in some kind of gravitational wave propagating out from the sun.
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I hope in time it will be proven otherwise. but I will play my own devil's advocate:
Nebel's idea of circular standing waves around the [proro] sun could be like calling the bands of a rainbow [segmens] circular standing waves. It is true that they are standing, have a given distance if multiples, are made up of particle/waves of different wavelength, yes, but
exist only in the eye of the beholder. each to his own rainbow out of the white mix of the reflected solar radiation.
 
nebel said:
remember this is just a theory based on the correlation between the 5 minute , 160 minute solar pulsations and planetary orbit sizes. via "c".
Standing waves can be generated by flux over an obstacles like (lenticular clouds), vibrations, harmonics from a single
ping, the interference pattern from more than one pulsation source, (the sun has many repeating cells) colliding of reflected waves, that could have been generated during the contraction, collapse of our molecular cloud.
Which mechanisms were in action, hard to entangle now. Images of early accretion disks show distinct torusses, reminiscent of circular waves.
Spiral arms of galaxies are quasi-standing density waves too., through which matter orbits.
one of the tenets of string theory is that all is vibrations. Stellar vs orbital resonances are ever present .would we be here without them?
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Fine . But what focuses , concentrates , the vibrating strings into nodules of focused energy , such as a galaxy .
 
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river said:
Fine . But what focuses , concentrates , the vibrating strings into nodules of focused energy , such as a galaxy
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Whatever happens at the nano level, that we are just now peeling away at, it was gravity or tension of spacetime that self organized the universe into agglomerations of different sizes. Sustained only by the energy in the velocities of their rotating, or vibrating matter.
standing resonances forcing matter with the right energy into orbits we see today.
focussed energy, a low entropy situation, seen in the Big Beginning, also seen in life.
Vibrating flagella, smaller strings, fine with me.
 
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river said: ↑
Fine . But what focuses , concentrates , the vibrating strings into nodules of focused energy , such as a galaxy
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nebel said:
Whatever happens at the nano level, that we are just now peeling away at, it was gravity or tension of spacetime that self organized the universe into agglomerations of different sizes. Sustained only by the energy in the velocities of their rotating, or vibrating matter.
standing resonances forcing matter with the right energy into orbits we see today.
focussed energy, a low entropy situation, seen in the Big Beginning, also seen in life.
Vibrating flagella, smaller strings, fine with me.
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Gravity is not strong enough to do anything of the sort .
 
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river said:
Gravity is not strong enough to do anything of the sort .
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well, I have been fighting gravity for 90 + years, and it will win eventually. Gravity, when it comes in waves is stronger.
Gravity might even be stronger in certain places than we think, that is why we invented dark matter.
River, there are even standing waves in rivers, surfing one is still on my bucket list.
Consider graviton standing waves during the forming of the solar system. herding the protoplanetary matter into rings.
Future planets surfing graviton standing waves.
echos of that may be still present in the 5 minute, 160 minute solar pulse, and the 300 light second ~ Mercury- Venus Earth, and Saturn -Uranus-Neptune - Pluto maximal or orbit diameter 9600 light second distance.
Star pulsations and orbits of planets may have a "c" connection. kind of undulating.
 
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