Physics question related to the geography of the Bay of Fundy?

[Dennis Tate]

Where do both of those quotes come from? They do not appear in the link you provide.


For those here interested in the HAB theory mentioned in Dennis' quote …

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_HAB_Theory

The following quotation:

"Let us consider Antarctica for a moment.
We have already seen that it is big. It has a land area of 5.5
million square miles, and is presently covered by something in excess
of seven million cubic miles of ice weighing an estimated 19
quadrillion tons (19 followed by 15 zeros). What worries the
theorists of earth-crust displacement is that this vast ice-cap is
remorselessly increasing in size and weight:'at the rate of 293 cubic
miles of ice each year--almost as much as if Lake Ontario were frozen
solidly annually and added to it.(Graham Hancock, Fingerprints of
the Gods, page 480).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fingerprints_of_the_Gods


Might be the source for the statement by Mr. Gershon Gale in this article:

Expanded Discussion of The HAB Theory
Gershom Gale gershon1
@netvision.net.il

"At a symposium of the Union of Geodesy and geophysics, Dr. Pyyotor Shoumsky reported that the south polar ice cap was growing at a minimum rate of 293 cubic miles of ice annually. To put that number in perspective, Lake Erie contains only 109 cubic miles of water. Thus, a volume of ice forms on top of the existing ice at Antarctica each year which is almost three times the volume of water in Lake Erie!" (Expanded Discussion of The HAB Theory, Gershom Gale, Expanded Discussion on the HAB Theory.)

Expanded Discussion of The HAB Theory
Gershom Gale gershon1
@netvision.net.il


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Geophysical science offers rather thin explanations for the periods of history during which great glaciers advanced and retreated from the polar regions, leaving a great deal of physical evidence.

The more one delves into the actual evidence, the more skeptical one becomes of the existing theories. The truth, according to the HAB Theory, is that periodically - at intervals ranging from 3,000 to 7000 years but averaging around 5,500 years apart - great global cataclysms have occurred which destroyed virtually all of whatever life forms or civilizations had developed on the Earth to that point.

The cataclysms occur when the Earth is thrown off balance due to a massive, unbalanced accumulation of ice at the polar regions. As these polar ice caps grow, their enormous weight, accumulating unevenly as it does, creates an imbalance, and a wobble begins to develop in the rotation of the Earth on its axis. Year by year, as the ice caps grow, this eccentricity increases until, with devastating suddenness, the polar masses are thrown toward the point of greatest spin, which is the equator. Quite abruptly, the areas which were polar now become equatorial, and vice versa.

The resultant cataclysm is, of course monumental across the entire face of the Earth, except at the two points which become pivotal when the capsizing effect occurs.


An Analogy:

Picture the Earth as a round ball spinning in place on a glass table top. Imagine then, that on the uppermost part of this spinning ball, you drop a tiny glob of molten metal, just slightly off center. The ball immediately begins to wobble...

Add more weight and that wobble becomes more pronounced. Add still more and the eccentricity becomes so great the centrifugal force of the spinning ball grips the weight and turns the entire ball so that the weighted portion is thrown to the imaginary line encircling the ball where the speed is greatest - which is coincident with the imaginary line on Earth known to us as the equator.

That is precisely what happens periodically to the Earth. The buildup of ice at the poles increases until its weight is suddenly thrown some 90 degrees from pole to equator. Yes, the Earth is 26 miles greater in diameter when measured around the equator than when measured around the poles, and one might argue that this bulge provides a stability that would make such a sudden tipping unlikely. But consider: such a variance, considering the size of the planet, is far less than the manufacturing tolerances of an ivory billiard ball.

As the sun evaporates the oceans, the moisture thus released precipitates as rain or snow all over the Earth. But the snows that fall on the polar caps do not melt or flow off at anything like the rate at which they evaporate elsewhere. Snow at the poles piles up and gradually turns into glacial ice. As this process continues, the ice caps increase in size.

At a symposium of the Union of Geodesy and geophysics, Dr. Pyyotor Shoumsky reported that the south polar ice cap was growing at a minimum rate of 293 cubic miles of ice annually. To put that number in perspective, Lake Erie contains only 109 cubic miles of water. Thus, a volume of ice forms on top of the existing ice at Antarctica each year which is almost three times the volume of water in Lake Erie! That's enough= ice to form a layer one mile wide and two miles high from New York to Chicago. And this is the buildup of only one year!

These figures were confirmed by Franz Loewe of France and Malcolm Mellors of Australia. There is no mistake.

The present ice mass is considerably over 5.5 million square miles. If the South Pole were over Chicago, that would make a two-mile thick slab of ice extending from Hudson's Bay to Key West, Florida.

Even this wouldn't be a threat if the ice were perfectly centered over the Earth's axis of spin, but it is not. The wobble was discovered by astronomers in 1885. It amounted to only a fraction over an inch. By the mid 1930s, this had increased to just over six feet. In 1970, the radial movement was close to 80 yards. And right now (197, the wobble is approaching a half-mile in radius.

There is no known means of calculating the point at which rollover will occur, though the summer equinox is the most dangerous time each year. It could conceivably happen with another fraction of an inch of added eccentricity. Or the system may remain more or less stable even if the wobble worsened by another mile or more.

Eventually, though, it'll reach the point of no return and the capsizing effect will occur, with essentially no warning. Overcoming the gyroscopic stabilizing effect of the Earth's equatorial bulge, and in obedience to the laws of centrifugal force, the weight of the ice will be thrown toward the equator. The Earth will continue spinning on it's axis as before, but with some dramatic differences: The ice caps will be riding on the equator, and practically all life - Man included - will have been extinguished.

This is not just a one-time occurrence; it has happened over and over again=! There have been thousands of such rollovers, perhaps even millions, during the 4.5-billion year history of the Earth.

How much time have we got before the next capsizing occurs?

The interval between each occurrence in the past has ranged between 3,000 and 7,000 years. The longest period between tilts was just about 7,000 years, give or take 50. The physical evidence indicates that our present epoch has lasted approximately 7,500 years; we've been living on borrowed time for quite a while." (
Expanded Discussion of The HAB Theory
Gershom Gale gershon1
@netvision.net.il)

 

[RainbowSingularity]

HAB Theory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_HAB_Theory

The HAB Theory is a 1976 science fiction novel by American author Allan W. Eckert. The novel is from the apocalyptic fiction subgenre. Eckert believed that the real-world facts and conclusions he quoted in the novel, were worthy of further exploration. One such conclusion was that hyper-specialization in the physical sciences was a big problem and that more interactions between hyper-specialists was overdue. He wove facts and concepts into the novel form, then his 17th book, to get more minds considering them. The book explores a version of pole shift hypothesis postulated by Professor Charles Hapgood in two volumes, plus the 1967 book Cataclysms of the Earth by Hugh Auchincloss Brown.

When Brown published "Cataclysms", he was in his 90s, so he is represented in the novel by the character Herbert Allan Boardman (The "HAB" of the title) also in his 90s.
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sounds a bit religious cult-ish to me
dressed in a new suit

Gershom Gale

this guy ?
https://www.jpost.com/christian-in-...m-gershom-gale-editor-jpost-christian-edition

bring that back to the bay of fundy for me please ?
whats the connection ? or did you change subject ?

gentrification of the bay of fundy ...
big money for sure

global real-estate has always been big money

many liars have used religions to make money by lies and deceit

what is the link to the bay of fundy ?
are there church extremists looking to make a big buy out in some huge racketeering tax evasion bullying thing ?

whats the deal ?

with such massive movement of water they could have built turbine clean energy production in the bay by now
but who would they be competing against ?
republican coal miners and their votes

better off to watch the whole planet burn with climate change
their actions speak louder than their words

 

[Dennis Tate]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_HAB_Theory

The HAB Theory is a 1976 science fiction novel by American author Allan W. Eckert. The novel is from the apocalyptic fiction subgenre. Eckert believed that the real-world facts and conclusions he quoted in the novel, were worthy of further exploration. One such conclusion was that hyper-specialization in the physical sciences was a big problem and that more interactions between hyper-specialists was overdue. He wove facts and concepts into the novel form, then his 17th book, to get more minds considering them. The book explores a version of pole shift hypothesis postulated by Professor Charles Hapgood in two volumes, plus the 1967 book Cataclysms of the Earth by Hugh Auchincloss Brown.

When Brown published "Cataclysms", he was in his 90s, so he is represented in the novel by the character Herbert Allan Boardman (The "HAB" of the title) also in his 90s.
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sounds a bit religious cult-ish to me
dressed in a new suit


this guy ?
https://www.jpost.com/christian-in-...m-gershom-gale-editor-jpost-christian-edition

bring that back to the bay of fundy for me please ?
whats the connection ? or did you change subject ?

gentrification of the bay of fundy ...
big money for sure

global real-estate has always been big money

many liars have used religions to make money by lies and deceit

what is the link to the bay of fundy ?
are there church extremists looking to make a big buy out in some huge racketeering tax evasion bullying thing ?

whats the deal ?

with such massive movement of water they could have built turbine clean energy production in the bay by now
but who would they be competing against ?
republican coal miners and their votes

better off to watch the whole planet burn with climate change
their actions speak louder than their words

At least some science fiction is written by an author who uses art to attempt to warn his audience about a possible future trend that actually is of genuine concern to the writer????

The connection between the statistics on a large amount of H2O being ADDED to Antarctica with the Bay of Fundy is.........

IF it was the addition of H2O to Antarctica that has been keeping ocean levels relatively stable since decades........ then......
the threat of significant rise in ocean levels in the future becomes more real to us.

I am fairly certain that about fifteen years or so ago I read a statement by Dr. James Hansen that the last time that atmospheric temperatures rose by three degrees..... ocean levels rose by twenty five meters in about four centuries.

The Bay of Fundy and Anchorage both will be acting in the role of the proverbial Canary In The Coal Mine....... they will warn the rest of the world of impending rising ocean levels because the tidal formula there can have such a multiplier effect on high tide levels that you will likely read new stories about Anchorage Alaska and the Bay of Fundy before other area are hard hit by rising ocean levels. So the whole question does have a positive side to it.

 

[Dennis Tate]

One of the forms of evidence that has causes many well informed people to be worried about some variation on HAB Theory is that there are frozen tropical species under the ice in both Greenland, the ARctic in Siberia, the Arctic in Canada as well as under the ice in Antarctica.

What may be most relevant are the cases where the mammoths are frozen with green grass or other vegetation still in their stomachs that one would not associate with where they were found. That indicates a rapid freezing which would fit with a significant wobble or shift in the north and south pole.

5 FROZEN MAMMOTHS You Won't Believe Were Found

Mammoths are the animal symbol of the last Ice Age on Earth, and it was the ice itself that perfectly preserved them to be eternally admired. Watch the following video and let yourself be amazed! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yuka Siberia is undoubtedly a place full of surprises and, in August 2010, the frozen yet well-preserved carcass of a female woolly mammoth, currently known as Yuka, was also found here. Sopkarga mammoth I'm still in Russia, land of mammoths. The Sopkarga mammoth, which was discovered in October 2012 just 2 miles away from the polar weather station of the same name... Lyuba It was a quiet morning on the Yamal Peninsula in Siberia, Russia, when local hunter Yuri Khudi and his sons found the frozen remains of a mammoth on the Yuribey River.

 

[DaveC426913]

The Bay of Fundy and Anchorage both will be acting in the role of the proverbial Canary In The Coal Mine....... they will warn the rest of the world of impending rising ocean levels because the tidal formula there can have such a multiplier effect on high tide levels that you will likely read new stories about Anchorage Alaska and the Bay of Fundy before other area are hard hit by rising ocean levels. So the whole question does have a positive side to it.

I think it will have the opposite effect.
I think, as sea levels rise, tidal funnels will see reduced effect.

When I fill a 5 gallon pail with a garden hose, the water is far, far more turbulent when the bucket is shallow. As it fills, there is more water, but the effect of the pail's dimensions (such as the bottom) have an ever-decreasing effect on the flow and turbulence of the water. By the time the bucket is only a quarter full, the surface is flat.

This shouldn't be too hard to demonstrate in a shallow wading pool. Make a funnel shape, fill the pool 1/3rd and then send a wave of water at the constriction. Then fill the pool to 2/3rds and repeat.

 

[Dennis Tate]

I think it will have the opposite effect.
I think, as sea levels rise, tidal funnels will see reduced effect.

When I fill a 5 gallon pail with a garden hose, the water is far, far more turbulent when the bucket is shallow. As it fills, there is more water, but the effect of the pail's dimensions (such as the bottom) have an ever-decreasing effect on the flow and turbulence of the water. By the time the bucket is only a quarter full, the surface is flat.

This shouldn't be too hard to demonstrate in a shallow wading pool. Make a funnel shape, fill the pool 1/3rd and then send a wave of water at the constriction. Then fill the pool to 2/3rds and repeat.

I truly thank you for your suggestion on how to attempt do demonstrate this with a real model!!!!

That is a truly awesome idea that I will try to pass on to physics professors and teachers.

 

[Dennis Tate]

digging a channel may be a logical answer
roughly trans Canada highway 16 in a straight line all the way through
maybe some spill way
Tintamarre National Wildlife Area
maybe spill way concrete causeway right down to it and through the right hand side to out the end as a spill way into the sand with the concrete main channel cause way going past it on the right hand side all the way through
and turn it into a fast moving concreted cause way all the way through
and probably a large damn across dorchester cape to shut it off completely and allow in flow to maintain farming irrigation and back flow.
then
BUILD a DAMN from dorchester cape to hopewell cape
turn the damned area into a 5 star location resort area with sea side hotels and water activities.
but it would require government funding

in theory massively increasing the value & security from flooding of Moncton
all sorts of options sailing rowing etc etc
aqua culture

cliffton to masstown damn spill way and grow mussels & oysters
Fort Belcher
Lower Onslow, NS
Canada
would be a sea food megga town industry
mussels & oysters

Local grown shell fish would be a massive draw card to local grown food for local restaurants

Here is a film that puts this whole idea in perspective.....


https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1888337987911


When could Nova Scotia become an island?

It's a complex question. And while the real answer can be influenced by many variables, it is a question scientists are asking themselves.

 

[Dennis Tate]

Although this is not directly related......
the indirect connection is there.


https://ca.news.yahoo.com/melting-i...MKnOcwE-OrSwj0V1yP3Al8h3lDOtnBHSvt1_9nkCKJiTC

Melting ice shifted the Earth's axis, scientists discover

The massive melting of the world’s glaciers due to global warming shifted the North and South poles in the mid-1990s and altered the Earth’s axis, scientists report in a new study published in Geophysical Research Letters.

“This is both remarkable and expected,” said scientist Peter Gleick, president-emeritus of the Pacific Institute and expert on hydrology and climate change. “We’re fundamentally changing the climate, now we’re having an impact on how the Earth spins,” said Gleick to The Weather Network, who was not involved in the study.

Similar to how the magnetic poles migrate, the locations of Earth's geographic poles are not static. For decades, the North pole had been slowly drifting southward when in 1995 the drift suddenly shifted eastward. The speed of this drift also accelerated between 1995 to 2020 by about 17 times from the previous average speed — from less than 1 cm to 10 cm per year.

 

[Dennis Tate]

Deliberately turning deserts green through large scale desalination of ocean water is one part
of the solution.... but so is the idea of putting carbon back into the soil.

Once carbon is back in the soil... all plants in all nations can hold in more carbon.... .as well as more H2O.

Permaculture.... as well as mega-scale desalination of ocean water... as well as all that is being done through the
people introduced in "Kiss the Ground".... all of this are steps in the right direction that tend to make real estate vulnerable to rising ocean levels at lot safer.

Kiss the Ground Film Trailer (2020)
687,784 views
•Aug 20, 2020

 

[Bells]

Deliberately turning deserts green through large scale desalination of ocean water is one part
of the solution.... but so is the idea of putting carbon back into the soil.

So you wish to create more carbon, while destroying large carbon sinks, to create another carbon sink...? Not to mention destroy massive eco systems and affect ground water, water tables, etc..

Arid regions, which cover about 47 percent of the earth’s land mass, are thought to make up the world’s third-largest carbon sink on land.

The world has a lot of endorheic basins in arid regions, including the Okavango Basin in southern Africa and the fast-disappearingAral Sea in Kazakhstan. In the U.S., the Great Basin Desert in Utah, Nevada and Oregon is an endorheic basin. Streams and rivers flow into the basins, but instead of flowing out, they disappear underground or simply evaporate.

As the world continues to warm, climate change may affect the water cycle, reducing the ability of desert basins to act as carbon sinks. Carbon that would be naturally stored in the soil may return to the atmosphere as soil moisture evaporates in higher temperatures.

[....]

Desert basins can lose the carbon they’ve stored as the climate changes because rising temperatures can cause soil to release the carbon it holds back into the atmosphere, Yu said.

Both global warming and water use for farming and industrial development can change the water cycle and reduce the carbon deposited in the soil, he said.
[https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/desert-basins-may-hold-missing-carbon-sinks/]​

Explain why you think turning already large carbon sinks into carbon sinks, but destroying eco systems and putting thousands of species at risk of extinction, is viable to you?

The Kiss the Ground documentary is about farming practices on land that is currently used as farmland.. Not turning deserts into green spaces with "large scale desalination of ocean water"..

Once carbon is back in the soil... all plants in all nations can hold in more carbon.... .as well as more H2O.

You want to create more carbon sinks? Plant more gardens and plants outside. Get rid of your lawn which takes up too much water to begin with. Plant a meadow that is suited to your climate or shade trees or turn your garden into vegetable gardens.

More green spaces in cities. Encourage more people to grow their own food to reduce land clearing for food production and tilling the soil on a massive scale to do so.

Unfortunately, Kiss the Ground seems to avoid most of these normal and more helpful recommendations. Just as it completely failed to address Trump's disastrous policies (this was made during his presidency) which directly affected climate change and contributed to global warming.

 

[Dennis Tate]

So you wish to create more carbon, while destroying large carbon sinks, to create another carbon sink...? Not to mention destroy massive eco systems and affect ground water, water tables, etc..

Arid regions, which cover about 47 percent of the earth’s land mass, are thought to make up the world’s third-largest carbon sink on land.

The world has a lot of endorheic basins in arid regions, including the Okavango Basin in southern Africa and the fast-disappearingAral Sea in Kazakhstan. In the U.S., the Great Basin Desert in Utah, Nevada and Oregon is an endorheic basin. Streams and rivers flow into the basins, but instead of flowing out, they disappear underground or simply evaporate.

As the world continues to warm, climate change may affect the water cycle, reducing the ability of desert basins to act as carbon sinks. Carbon that would be naturally stored in the soil may return to the atmosphere as soil moisture evaporates in higher temperatures.

[....]

Desert basins can lose the carbon they’ve stored as the climate changes because rising temperatures can cause soil to release the carbon it holds back into the atmosphere, Yu said.

Both global warming and water use for farming and industrial development can change the water cycle and reduce the carbon deposited in the soil, he said.
[https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/desert-basins-may-hold-missing-carbon-sinks/]​

Explain why you think turning already large carbon sinks into carbon sinks, but destroying eco systems and putting thousands of species at risk of extinction, is viable to you?

The Kiss the Ground documentary is about farming practices on land that is currently used as farmland.. Not turning deserts into green spaces with "large scale desalination of ocean water"..


You want to create more carbon sinks? Plant more gardens and plants outside. Get rid of your lawn which takes up too much water to begin with. Plant a meadow that is suited to your climate or shade trees or turn your garden into vegetable gardens.

More green spaces in cities. Encourage more people to grow their own food to reduce land clearing for food production and tilling the soil on a massive scale to do so.

Unfortunately, Kiss the Ground seems to avoid most of these normal and more helpful recommendations. Just as it completely failed to address Trump's disastrous policies (this was made during his presidency) which directly affected climate change and contributed to global warming.

When soil has been turned darker it is because it has taken up more carbon. Cattle and other animals play an important role in getting carbon into the soil through their manure.

When soil gets more carbon and becomes darker the plants there grow larger and hold in both more carbon as well as more water.

Carbon Farming: Harnessing The Power of The Soil

 

[Dennis Tate]

When Dr. Geoff Lawton began his project in Jordan the area shown here was
barren. He talked the locals into giving up their custom of burning the left over straw
from the last crop and instead use it in the form of a mulch.

They found that that
mulch / compost helped keep the moisture in the soil and so ten years later they now have
lots of trees in an area that was once nearly impossible to grow much of anything there.

Greening the Desert: Tree Tour


Here is a video of what this same area looked like when they began. The first seven minutes of this film are the best.

Greening the Desert Video - Parts I and II (French Subtitles)

 

[Dennis Tate]

Once the Permaculture project there in Jordan proved that a nearly dead area could be made productive several neighbours caught on and applied those principles on their land.

Permaculture Neighbors at the Greening the Desert Site

 

[Dennis Tate]

He explains the logic of using swales to reforest various types of degraded landscapes in this lecture.

Swales: Earthworks for Conservation and Storage [PDC Preview]

 

[Bells]

When soil has been turned darker it is because it has taken up more carbon. Cattle and other animals play an important role in getting carbon into the soil through their manure.

When soil gets more carbon and becomes darker the plants there grow larger and hold in both more carbon as well as more water.

Carbon Farming: Harnessing The Power of The Soil

That's nice.

And nothing to do with what I actually said.

Since this thread now has nothing to do with physics, moving it to a more appropriate sub-forum.

 

[Dennis Tate]

That's nice.

And nothing to do with what I actually said.

Since this thread now has nothing to do with physics, moving it to a more appropriate sub-forum.

Good point... it probably does fit in better here........

I think that Mr. Allan Savory would agree with this choice.....

How to green the world's deserts and reverse climate change | Allan Savory
4,564,705 views
•Mar 4, 2013

 

[Bells]

Good point... it probably does fit in better here........

I think that Mr. Allan Savory would agree with this choice.....

You still aren't addressing what I said.

Here is the post:

So you wish to create more carbon, while destroying large carbon sinks, to create another carbon sink...? Not to mention destroy massive eco systems and affect ground water, water tables, etc..

Arid regions, which cover about 47 percent of the earth’s land mass, are thought to make up the world’s third-largest carbon sink on land.

The world has a lot of endorheic basins in arid regions, including the Okavango Basin in southern Africa and the fast-disappearingAral Sea in Kazakhstan. In the U.S., the Great Basin Desert in Utah, Nevada and Oregon is an endorheic basin. Streams and rivers flow into the basins, but instead of flowing out, they disappear underground or simply evaporate.

As the world continues to warm, climate change may affect the water cycle, reducing the ability of desert basins to act as carbon sinks. Carbon that would be naturally stored in the soil may return to the atmosphere as soil moisture evaporates in higher temperatures.

[....]

Desert basins can lose the carbon they’ve stored as the climate changes because rising temperatures can cause soil to release the carbon it holds back into the atmosphere, Yu said.

Both global warming and water use for farming and industrial development can change the water cycle and reduce the carbon deposited in the soil, he said.
[https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/desert-basins-may-hold-missing-carbon-sinks/]​

Explain why you think turning already large carbon sinks into carbon sinks, but destroying eco systems and putting thousands of species at risk of extinction, is viable to you?

The Kiss the Ground documentary is about farming practices on land that is currently used as farmland.. Not turning deserts into green spaces with "large scale desalination of ocean water"..


You want to create more carbon sinks? Plant more gardens and plants outside. Get rid of your lawn which takes up too much water to begin with. Plant a meadow that is suited to your climate or shade trees or turn your garden into vegetable gardens.

More green spaces in cities. Encourage more people to grow their own food to reduce land clearing for food production and tilling the soil on a massive scale to do so.

Unfortunately, Kiss the Ground seems to avoid most of these normal and more helpful recommendations. Just as it completely failed to address Trump's disastrous policies (this was made during his presidency) which directly affected climate change and contributed to global warming.

Can you please explain why you think destroying one of the planet's carbon sinks, making desalination plants (which will create more carbon btw), to make another carbon sink?

You made this claim:

Deliberately turning deserts green through large scale desalination of ocean water is one part
of the solution.... but so is the idea of putting carbon back into the soil.

Deserts are suspected of being one of the biggest carbon sinks because of underground aquifers that is stored deep underground. Disturbing the sand or these arid regions or attempting to tap into the underground water would actually increase the risk of releasing the carbon back into the atmosphere.

Not to mention turning deserts into farms using desalinated water would destroy the eco system altogether.

So, why do you think this is a good idea?

Particularly when one considers the impact of desalination to begin with:

But the process of desalinization burns up many more fossil fuels than sourcing the equivalent amount of fresh water from fresh water bodies. As such, the very proliferation of desalinization plants around the world‚ some 13,000 already supply fresh water in 120 nations, primarily in the Middle East, North Africa and Caribbean, is both a reaction to and one of many contributors to global warming.

Beyond the links to climate problems, marine biologists warn that widespread desalinization could take a heavy toll on ocean biodiversity; as such facilities' intake pipes essentially vacuum up and inadvertently kill millions of plankton, fish eggs, fish larvae and other microbial organisms that constitute the base layer of the marine food chain. And, according to Jeffrey Graham of the Scripps Institute of Oceanography's Center for Marine Biotechnology and Biomedicine, the salty sludge leftover after desalinization for every gallon of freshwater produced, another gallon of doubly concentrated salt water must be disposed of can wreak havoc on marine ecosystems if dumped willy-nilly offshore. For some desalinization operations, says Graham, it is thought that the disappearance of some organisms from discharge areas may be related to the salty outflow.​

Can you please address what is written instead of just preaching at us with youtube videos?

Thank you.

 

[Dennis Tate]

You still aren't addressing what I said.

Here is the post:



Can you please explain why you think destroying one of the planet's carbon sinks, making desalination plants (which will create more carbon btw), to make another carbon sink?

You made this claim:


Deserts are suspected of being one of the biggest carbon sinks because of underground aquifers that is stored deep underground. Disturbing the sand or these arid regions or attempting to tap into the underground water would actually increase the risk of releasing the carbon back into the atmosphere.

Not to mention turning deserts into farms using desalinated water would destroy the eco system altogether.

So, why do you think this is a good idea?

Particularly when one considers the impact of desalination to begin with:

But the process of desalinization burns up many more fossil fuels than sourcing the equivalent amount of fresh water from fresh water bodies. As such, the very proliferation of desalinization plants around the world‚ some 13,000 already supply fresh water in 120 nations, primarily in the Middle East, North Africa and Caribbean, is both a reaction to and one of many contributors to global warming.

Beyond the links to climate problems, marine biologists warn that widespread desalinization could take a heavy toll on ocean biodiversity; as such facilities' intake pipes essentially vacuum up and inadvertently kill millions of plankton, fish eggs, fish larvae and other microbial organisms that constitute the base layer of the marine food chain. And, according to Jeffrey Graham of the Scripps Institute of Oceanography's Center for Marine Biotechnology and Biomedicine, the salty sludge leftover after desalinization for every gallon of freshwater produced, another gallon of doubly concentrated salt water must be disposed of can wreak havoc on marine ecosystems if dumped willy-nilly offshore. For some desalinization operations, says Graham, it is thought that the disappearance of some organisms from discharge areas may be related to the salty outflow.​

Can you please address what is written instead of just preaching at us with youtube videos?

Thank you.

On one level I believe that solar powered desalination technology has amazing potential.

The Sahara Forest Project that was done with technology donated from Israel to Norway so that Norwegian scientists and diplomats could share the technology with Israel's neighbours who could not at that time deal directly with them is a great example of solar powered desalination.

So your idea that this creates a lot of extra atmospheric carbon is based on the assumption that desalination can only be done using fossil fuels.

On a second level every cubic meter of desert that is greened seems to be putting less heat into the atmosphere than if that same land was merely sand. Secondly..... plants are both a carbon sink as well as a water sink so turning deserts green seems to be win - win - win - win from just about every angle that we can look at this question from.


https://www.saharaforestproject.com/

 

[billvon]

On a second level every cubic meter of desert that is greened seems to be putting less heat into the atmosphere than if that same land was merely sand.

Sand has an albedo of around .4. Forests have an albedo of about .1. So forests will absorb 4x as much heat as sandy deserts.

 

[Bells]

On one level I believe that solar powered desalination technology has amazing potential.

The Sahara Forest Project that was done with technology donated from Israel to Norway so that Norwegian scientists and diplomats could share the technology with Israel's neighbours who could not at that time deal directly with them is a great example of solar powered desalination.

So your idea that this creates a lot of extra atmospheric carbon is based on the assumption that desalination can only be done using fossil fuels.

On a second level every cubic meter of desert that is greened seems to be putting less heat into the atmosphere than if that same land was merely sand. Secondly..... plants are both a carbon sink as well as a water sink so turning deserts green seems to be win - win - win - win from just about every angle that we can look at this question from.


https://www.saharaforestproject.com/

Depends on the plants..

Although China’s Green Great Wall tree-planting efforts—similar to sustainable forestry practices in Western Europe and tree regrowth on abandoned lands in Eastern Europe—enhance our planet’s ability to absorb atmospheric carbon, greening achieved through intensive agriculture does not have the same effect, says Victor Brovkin of the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology, another coauthor on our paper. Instead, carbon absorbed by crops is quickly released back into the atmosphere.​

And it still does not address the destruction of ecosystems.