Just gun parts, nothing else. I just think it's an infringement upon our second amendment rights to make it illegal. I hope that someone in Philadelphia challenges the law.
Philadelphia to ban 3d printed guns
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Just gun parts, nothing else. I just think it's an infringement upon our second amendment rights to make it illegal. I hope that someone in Philadelphia challenges the law.
It's not illegal so long as you have a license to manufacture firearms.
That's interesting. I didn't know you needed a license to manufacture. Is that federal law?
I would assume so, though it's probably handled at a state or local level.
To Tiassa:
Huh? Wow, all I did was explain to one poster what another meant! I have no thesis of my own and even if I had, I don't argue by setup or innuendo. In fact, throughout this forum you'll see me fighting against such tactics. I'm not a troll.
Huh? Wow, all I did was explain to one poster what another meant! I have no thesis of my own and even if I had, I don't argue by setup or innuendo. In fact, throughout this forum you'll see me fighting against such tactics. I'm not a troll.
I hope they lift the ban. I want to read about some old lady in Philly, living on social security, that printed out a gun, and then popped a hoodlum home invader right between the eyes. I want to read that story.
The second amendment gives us the right to BEAR arms ! Bare arms are human upper limbs sans covering!
Please supply your evidence to show that 3D printing makes a firearm very cheap and easy to get. Cost of printer? Cost of media?
A store retailer might buy a 3D printer and sell 3D printed products for $20/kg of material. The store clerk might not care what you print. Bear arms, not bare arms. Got it!
But the point is, no matter what the cost of a printer/raw material is, once you acquire the printer and the straightforward operational knowhow, anyone can be a gun manufacturer.
That is what Balerion was pointing out about the right to manufacture on a 'for profit' or even on a 'non-profit business/dealing footing. Did I read you right there, Balerion?
That's where the 'control' should come in which is NOT against any "amendment rights", but only as it comes under the umbrella of business/fitness/probity etc regulations as a 'repeat manufacturer' rather than just printing a one-off gun for personal use only.
Edit: Mazulu, hi! We posted at exactly the same 'minute'. How ya going, mate? Keeping well and positive as can be I hope? Welcome back.
That is what Balerion was pointing out about the right to manufacture on a 'for profit' or even on a 'non-profit business/dealing footing. Did I read you right there, Balerion?
That's where the 'control' should come in which is NOT against any "amendment rights", but only as it comes under the umbrella of business/fitness/probity etc regulations as a 'repeat manufacturer' rather than just printing a one-off gun for personal use only.
Edit: Mazulu, hi! We posted at exactly the same 'minute'. How ya going, mate? Keeping well and positive as can be I hope? Welcome back.
...might buy...might print...might not care...might sell...!
Is this the same usage of the word might, as in the Owner of the store/printer might not have a problem with being Indicted on Federal Charges...or that the Federal Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms...MIGHT...not have a problem with Manufacturing a Firearm without a Federal Firearms License?
Do I have the understanding of the word might, as used in your context?
So...Mazulu, this is your "evidence to show that 3D printing makes a firearm very cheap and easy to get"?
So...Mazulu, is there the slightest chance that your so called "evidence" MIGHT be accepted...as anything other than speculative conjecture?
But the point is, no matter what the cost of a printer/raw material is, once you acquire the printer and the straightforward operational knowhow, anyone can be a gun manufacturer.
That is what Balerion was pointing out about the right to manufacture on a 'for profit' or even on a 'non-profit business/dealing footing. Did I read you right there, Balerion?
That's where the 'control' should come in which is NOT against any "amendment rights", but only as it comes under the umbrella of business/fitness/probity etc regulations as a 'repeat manufacturer' rather than just printing a one-off gun for personal use only.
Edit: Mazulu, hi! We posted at exactly the same 'minute'. How ya going, mate? Keeping well and positive as can be I hope? Welcome back.
Hi undefined! Good to hear from you.
If Kinkos buys a 3D printer, it might end up being regulated by the federal government to prevent people from making parts for guns. A typical hand gun costs about $400. To print a kilogram worth of 3D plastic might only cost $20. It could give low income people (honest citizens and hoodlums) easy access to a "one-shot" gun. Should the federal government regulate it? I don't think they need to bother.
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Points to the Contrary
Why is it that whenever people cite the Second Amendment, they always leave out the first part?
There is also a point to be made that the Congressional Research Service considers, for various reasons, that it is "relatively settled that Congress may regulate the manufacture and transfer of firearms".
Neither does Congressional authority to regulate the manufacture of firearms entirely mean state and local governments cannot.
I would expect that Philadelphia's proposed ban, if it is written correctly, will withstand judicial scrutiny.
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Notes:
Chu, Vivian S. Congressional Authority to Regulate Firearms: A Legal Overview. Congressional Research Service. April 5, 2013. FAS.org. November 28, 2013. http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43033.pdf
Mazulu said:
Why is it that whenever people cite the Second Amendment, they always leave out the first part?
There is also a point to be made that the Congressional Research Service considers, for various reasons, that it is "relatively settled that Congress may regulate the manufacture and transfer of firearms".
Neither does Congressional authority to regulate the manufacture of firearms entirely mean state and local governments cannot.
I would expect that Philadelphia's proposed ban, if it is written correctly, will withstand judicial scrutiny.
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Notes:
Chu, Vivian S. Congressional Authority to Regulate Firearms: A Legal Overview. Congressional Research Service. April 5, 2013. FAS.org. November 28, 2013. http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43033.pdf
Its why gov have not released free energy devices, you lot would all want to kill people with death ray weapons if you could.
I cannot believe anyone would ever give the public a way to print there own guns.
Amazing, and you wonder with all the other variables why americans are so obsessed with violence.
I do not care what anyone says, the public are not mature enough for certain techs, and 3d printing is one. Why anyone let such techs into the public i will not understand. Whom really thinks that the public are mature enough to have this?
I cannot believe anyone would ever give the public a way to print there own guns.
Amazing, and you wonder with all the other variables why americans are so obsessed with violence.
I do not care what anyone says, the public are not mature enough for certain techs, and 3d printing is one. Why anyone let such techs into the public i will not understand. Whom really thinks that the public are mature enough to have this?
Hey, andy1033, some interesting views in your Post.
Who would you deem "are mature enough to have this...tech"?
Would andy1033 be mature enough?
Would someone who states ; "Its why gov have not released free energy devices, you lot would all want to kill people with death ray weapons if you could." be mature enough?
Would someone who states ; "I cannot believe anyone would ever give the public a way to print there(their!) own guns" be mature enough?
Would someone who states ; "I do not care what anyone says...", and then asks ; "Whom(who!) really thinks that the public are(?!) mature enough to have this?" be mature enough?
Would anyone meet your established minimum maturity level to have this..tech?
andy1033, would you care to list maybe just a few people or groups who you think have the maturity needed to be able to possess this...tech?
It's the democratization of manufacturing. We won't only be printing guns, but much of what we now buy in the store that used to be injection molded, including clothing and shoes. People think they can get ahead of it, but like mp3s changed the music industry, this will do the same, it's just a matter of time.
It would be a lot safer than a printed gun!