RainbowSingularity:
reference in terms debate concept
non physical human conceptual based existence in some type of quasi anthropomorphic perceptive reality
what is in a name etc ...
maybe you wish to refine your question
Maybe you should try answering my question. It was simple enough:
how do you know there were ghosts?
I don't much care if you want to toss around fancy-pants terms in the hope of impressing somebody. Rather than trying to invent new words for ghosts, why not try answering the question I asked you?
more than happy to engage in discussion
however your tone becomes somewhat oppressively badgering to be a demand for me to repeat myself in different terms
I did not ask you to repeat yourself, nor do I want you to repeat yourself. What you said the first time was quite vague and unhelpful. I asked for specifics and for clarification, not repetition.
without you requesting better explanation
your own frustration clearly showing here
Indeed. It is frustrating that people like you so often jump to conclusions with little, if any, concrete evidence. You jumped into this thread with a whole lot of claims, but when you're pushed even a tiny bit to elaborate or to explain or to justify all you seem to have is complaints about people asking too many difficult questions that you'd rather not answer.
but i suggest you pose a question rather than a demand without you entering your own position of intellect
I posed the following questions. (Hint: questions are followed by question marks, so they are easily spotted.) I have helpfully marked the ones you didn't answer.
How do you know there were ghosts? [unanswered]
Are you saying you saw some people and assumed they might be ghosts, but you're not sure? [unanswered]
What was it that you didn't know what it was? What made you think it was like a poltergeist? What is a poltergeist like? [unanswered]
Were these things knocked over while people were looking at them? Was anybody else around at the time? How many witnesses observed one of these "knockings over" simultaneously?[unanswered]
How clumsy were the staff, in your estimation? [unanswered]
Which technical people were consulted about the sounds? [answered - see below for my further response]
What did the sounds sound like? [unanswered]
Were the technical people professional sound consultants? [answered - see below for my further response]
Who heard the sounds? When did they hear them? Were there independent witnesses or just "reports", like the knockings over? [unanswered]
Did you see a young girl ghost running and crying in the hall? How many other people saw her? When was she seen? Was it bring your daughter to work day? [unanswered]
Tell us about how you "experienced" her. Include as many details as possible and tell us what investigation you did afterwards. [unanswered]
Which parts? What forms did these "hauntings" take? Did you see the "people" involved? Are these your experiences or second-hand "reports" from other people? [unanswered]
Did you take any time out during those few weeks to get a good photo or video of the ghost or ghosts, or to collect any other physical evidence? [unanswered]
Did you call the James Randi Foundation to claim your million dollar prize? [unanswered]
RainbowSingularity said:
electricians, sound engineers, electronics technicians, electrical engineers, computer engineers, building engineers.
all off the record obviously
Did all those experts agree that you definitely had a haunted building (off the record)?
no body wants to professional engage in ghost talk
its counter productive to business
But if the evidence is so "compelling" (as MR would put it), who wouldn't be convinced by a thorough investigation?
items knocked over where technical surveillance was in place and nothing had been registered on infrared motion sensors or any building sensor alarms
What kinds of "technical surveillance" were in place, apart from infrared motion sensors? Do you work at the Pentagon or something?
it was a common occurrence
So you say.
i personally heard things fall over and went to have a look to find no signs of people
my gues was items that had been placed on a edge and general ground vibration eventually making them fall over
That doesn't sound like a ghost. So why did you mentioned dead people and list of the dead people you thought were responsible?
but there was no definitive proof
There never is, in my experience with ghosts.
many people reported the same thing but none would talk openly about it.
Nonsense. According to you it was common knowledge around the building. That would mean people were quite happy to talk about it.
my experiences going over several years and many other peoples experiences
roughly 10 different people off hand
Great! Now we're getting somewhere.
So, you claim that you,
personally have had several "ghostly" experiences, and that these can be corroborated by roughly 10 other reliable witnesses. Can you please give me an example. Pick an incident where you saw a ghost with other witnesses present, and tell me about it.
there was and likely still is insider knowledge and it is not shared with other people
How would you know, if they aren't sharing their insider knowledge with you? Are you just guessing/hoping?
Warned by all those people who are reluctant to share any of their ghostly experiences with other people, you mean?
some freak out and have panic attacks and leave and never come back
Have you considered that maybe they are freaked out by the weird people they'd have to share an office with?
your aggressive tone(and/or my perception of one) is annoying me(nothing personal)
You don't like people asking sensible questions. I get it. It's a very common response from ghost enthusiasts, I find. You get all defensive when people start to point out that you're not being very rational.
i have no desire to obtain scientific evidence or to give or provide any to other people
I think we've got to the bottom of why you believe in ghosts. Thank you.
you have become lost in your desire to inflict ego damage so you have swung away from the science and decided to engage in subtle emotional attack
sad !
Donald T, is that you?
im not interested in the thread any more
You were never interested in finding the truth. That, too, is very common among ghost afficionados, I find.