Discussion in 'Biology & Genetics' started by Orleander, Dec 31, 2007.
Your being Funny now Looney, just what about femal fertility do you not understand?
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what was her name?
Well Orelander, I actually can remember her name, but I do know that she was a queen of some king.
Even so there are other women how have simular achivements such as the wife of Feodor Vassilyev, Mme Vassilyev a peasant from Shuya,located 16 miles east of Moscow she got pregant 27 times and gave birth to 16 pairs of twins, 7 sets of triplets and 4 sets of quadurplets. she gave birth to these children from 1725 to 1765,of which 69 children where born, 67 survived reaching adulthood. (A Russian woman).
Another women Madalena Carnauba , of Celiandia,Brazil gave birth to 24 sons and 8 daughters. (she started around age 13 or 14: natural determined pubrity age).
A quote of the women abotu her children " They give us a lot of work and worry but they are worth it" , a quote from the father of the children "I don't know why people make such a fuss".
One old women was 57 years old when she gave birth her name is Ruth Kistler
The incidence of quinquagenarian births varies widly, with the higest know rate in Albania, nearly 5,500 per million people (quinquagenarian means 50 years old).
Maddalena Granata of Nocera Superiore,Italy gave birth to 15 sets of triplets, being a total of 45 children.
Mary Jonas of Chester,England gave birth to 15 sets of twins, each set being boy and girl. for a total of 30 children 15 boys and 15 girls.
There are others
well, if you can remember it, what was it? :shrug: What king? What nation?
Well as I remember a few snips, they are european, maybe from east europe, Lienchstein or austria possibly?
Don't know their names, just remmbered the snip about her being 89 and having given birth, and have lkle 101 or 97?? children.
does it matter alot, i am sure you could proablly find it some where
Huh? You posted it, but I have to prove it? :shrug:
OK, is that the only woman, out of the billions that have been alive, that you know of?
I have heard of the 57 yr old one, who gave birth naturally (no donated eggs), but I have never heard of one older. Mainly because of menopause.
it is as i said in my earlier post, women who retain fertility in old age are women who carry out a life of reproduction.
For example each ovary is estimated to have about 250,000 ovums comprising a total of 500,000 ovums. if a women gets pregant every 4 years in 86 years the women would have used 17 ovums to make children and lost 48 ovums from the age 12 to 16 ( seeing that she started raring children at 16, the time of first pregancy).
A women that gave birth once in her life would lose 876 ovums in 86 years (basically a loss of one ovum per month).
Ovaries in a women that gave only one birth would be pitted and scared from all of the releases of ovums. the women that got pregant every 4 years would have not pitting or scaring to the ovum leaving the ovaries as a viable tissue, she could actually release a ovum from the ovaries. the women that had only one child would be unable to release a ovum from the ovaries and the surface tissue of the ovaries would be scared blocking or hindering the timely release of a ovum, it would require a large amount of chemical horomne to bring about a reaction as the tissues of the ovaries is hardened. this is not the case for a female that has given birth regularly, because her ovaries are viable tissue without scaring and therfore respond to a reasonable chemical hormone signal.(she needs to eat well).
The areas of the endoctrine system that alternate month to month to form a cycle of ovation and menstration are used less, and so the cells remain viable to the secreation of hormones, at any time they may become active even in old age and dulpicate. bring about the normal proccess of ovation.
The women that gave only one birth in her life time, puts a heavy tax of usage to maintain function and month to month fertility that is in vain of her biology. here cells must constantly replace the dying cells of the endoctrine system, by duplicating, creating all the problems of cell aging (See Telmars in cell duplication).
Menopasuse bascilly a chemical imbalance. ocuring as female body reduces or imporperly alternates chemical secreation as a result of aging and dying cells.Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
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Oh Dwayne, If only it were true.:shy:
I admit I don't know much about femal fertility, but I'll look it up. I'm sorry, I am sure you mean well. Take care Dwayne. ((hug))
I'm not believing a woman who has pregnancy after pregnancy is gonna live long enough to have a kid in her 80's.
I guess you are a big fan of the Dugger family then.
How can you be so sure?
I would suspect that reproducing, helps people people "young."
And why does menopause have to be a "given" anyway? Isn't it just possible, for the human reproductive system to just get "stuck on?"
I imagine there's less uncomfortable wild hormonal swings, for a woman who just "stays pregnant" much of the time. Her body probably gets quite used to enjoying growing a baby inside, and would miss it, just like the people who couldn't sleep, when the nearby Niagra Falls froze up. It was just way too quiet.
That's what I'm asking, but so far all I've seen are stories and no proof.
Title: Even if many old people start getting their reproductive systems "stuck on," it's not hardly the end of the world. But that isn't really likely, is it?
Somewhere, I recall reading some internet forum post, about them working on ways for women to get pregnant in their 80s. As if we needed even more population?
But aren't some old age problems triggered by menopause? I don't have a problem with perhaps fixing this "menopause" problem if it helps, and leaving people's reproductive ability just "stuck on." Parents can obviously name trusted guardians to take over their children, in the event they pass on before their children grow up.
Perhaps that's an issue that people forgot to consider in their debates as to whether seeking medical life extension, might balloon the population size all the more. Healthier older people, might go on reproducing longer as well. But it's the younger people getting married and starting families, that more influence the demographic trends. When people marry young, they shorten the gap between generations, enlarge the proportion of the world's now huge human population currently breeding, and they have more time to have more babies and larger families. I advocate younger marriage as well, as I do think that many younger people, actually are ready to start families, and I do not believe in human population "control."
In the Left Behind book series, as dramaticized in the CD series, the Anti-Christs scolded the developing nations for letting their populations "balloon." Sounds like an anti-christ sort of thing to do. Conversely, how are people to enjoy having their precious darling babies, in a world with so many people alive already? Just that. Welcome the nations to "balloon" their population size and grow denser with people, so that all the more people may somehow fit onto the planet. Each and every human life is sacred, and so we should prefer for our numbers to grow unhindered, to grow as populous as God would see fit.
Ha ha, you take Left Behind seriously!
Oh No, they do??
When my ovaries stop throwing out eggs, do they die? Do they shrivel up and become hard or do they stay the same as they always were?
Hopefully you'll get a better answer from your Ob/Gyn next time you see her, or even from your regular doctor.
Remember that in addition to their function as organs, which produce ova, ovaries also function as glands and produce hormones: both estrogen and testosterone. In addition to reduced and erratic ovulation, one of the primary manifestations of menopause is reduced and erratic estrogen production, which is a major cause of symptoms such as hot flashes. Estrogen production will eventually cease almost completely.
Testosterone production drops off more slowly, beginning earlier in life, and continues at a reduced level. Adequate testosterone level is a major factor in the survival of the female libido: the ability for sexual desire to be stimulated or to arise spuriously, as well as the physical ability to copulate (e.g. lubrication, muscle control).
So in many women the ovaries continue to perform at least some of their important functions, despite the cessation of ovulation; i.e. they don't "shrivel and die." These days it's common for American women to be sexually active at age 60, but I don't know whether it's the norm and I don't know anything about age 70. Your doctor should have those statistics.
Many women have hysterectomies (removal of the uterus) in the years after menopause, and some of them have ovariohysterectomies which include removal of the ovaries. Removal of the ovaries causes an abrupt cessation of both estrogen and testosterone production, generally resulting in many unpleasant symptoms including total loss of libido. Hormone replacement therapy is indicated, including both estrogen and testosterone. At least one woman I know who had this surgery very young due to illness (endometriosis) has been taking estrogen/testosterone supplements for about twenty years and her sex life is apparently at least satisfactory and possibly outstanding, depending on who's telling the story.
Yes, a human female could menstruate multiple times in a month. I can't remember which hormones are involved with the feedback in which places (Lutenizing Hormone and Progesterone play major roles, as does the pituitary, hypothalmus and ovary), but basically the hormones are on feedback loops. If one of them were to be suppressed or overexpressed, or expressed in a different phase, you'd vary the rate of ovulation.
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