OK ! Physic is the most important, what's next ?
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Hmm, what future developements in physics could revolutionize our way of living and seeing the world?
1) Faster than light travel (yes, its possible, we just don't understand how yet that's all).
2) Matter replication.
3) Nanotechnology (it's a branch of physics, just like many other fields).
4) Controlled antimatter reactions for use in anything from power plants to starships.
5) The understanding of exactly what happened in the big bang
6) The discovery of the most basic building blocks of matter (maybe strings?).
7) Formulating whether our universe is open, closed or right in between.
I'm sure there's many more, I'm just too tired to think right now =P
If you don't believe physics is the most important field, you have to at least admit it's one of them. Unless of course you want to stay on our own planet until we either destroy it ourselves or wait for the sun to nova.
BIT of a disagreement here
Hi James R,
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All physics people are using it to find various things like velocity,acceleration,gradients,electric fields etc. those graphs we draw in physics,find slopes easily to determine relationships between two things ,dont you think maths is applied here.i can give you hundreds of examples.ever heard of FOURIOR THEOREM,FOURIOR TRANSFORMS,they are used in your electrodynamics for analysing of signals and circuits,LAPLACE TRANSFORMSetc even shortest paths algorithms are given by maths only.now can you say such a line again?maths what this world is all about.i may sound sentimental but i still say that it applied maths.
bye!.
Hi James R,
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our proff.refers to it that way numerous of times.
after all those quotings i still say SEEING MAY NOT BE BELIEVINGas we are enterining a computer simulated virtual world.
if somethings IS proved theoritically it can be aplied.the only problem is our own inability to do that.if i disprove something mathematically,without any contradictions and paradoxes then it will not work practically,are trying to say that observations disprove maths?
What do you think maths is? stupid sumations and that comercial profit loss thing only??,ever heard of a thing called CALCULUS??
All physics people are using it to find various things like velocity,acceleration,gradients,electric fields etc. those graphs we draw in physics,find slopes easily to determine relationships between two things ,dont you think maths is applied here.i can give you hundreds of examples.ever heard of FOURIOR THEOREM,FOURIOR TRANSFORMS,they are used in your electrodynamics for analysing of signals and circuits,LAPLACE TRANSFORMSetc even shortest paths algorithms are given by maths only.now can you say such a line again?maths what this world is all about.i may sound sentimental but i still say that it applied maths.
bye!.
BIT of a disagreement here too
Hi zion,
<i>after all those quotings i still say SEEING MAY NOT BE BELIEVING as we are enterining a computer simulated virtual world.</i>
That might well be the case, but it is a useless hypothesis from a scientific point of view. If no experiment can distinguish between a real and a simulated world, we may as well assume we are dealing with a real world, since we can't hope to do better than that.
<i>practically,are trying to say that observations disprove maths?</i>
Yes. Observations <i>can</i> show that the assumptions on which a mathematical theory of physics is based are incorrect. Garbage in, garbage out.
<i>What do you think maths is? stupid sumations and that comercial profit loss thing only??,ever heard of a thing called CALCULUS??</i>
Erm... yes, I've heard of it, and the other things you mentioned. Have you ever heard of the Riemann Zeta function? Or group theory? Or integration around poles in the complex plane? We can play this game if you like.
<i>maths what this world is all about.i may sound sentimental but i still say that it applied maths.</i>
Perhaps an example then. Before Kepler came along, people thought the planets moved around the sun (or Earth) in circles. All the maths of planetary motion was based on circles. Then, Kepler turned up and said "Hey guys! It's ellipses, I tell you!" All the maths had to change in light of the fact that the observations of the actual motions of the planets turned out to be better explained by elliptical maths than circular maths.
Was there anything wrong with the circular <i>maths</i>? No. It just had no connection to the physical world, which happens to work with ellipses (in this case).
See what I mean?
Hi zion,
<i>after all those quotings i still say SEEING MAY NOT BE BELIEVING as we are enterining a computer simulated virtual world.</i>
That might well be the case, but it is a useless hypothesis from a scientific point of view. If no experiment can distinguish between a real and a simulated world, we may as well assume we are dealing with a real world, since we can't hope to do better than that.
<i>practically,are trying to say that observations disprove maths?
</i>Yes. Observations <i>can</i> show that the assumptions on which a mathematical theory of physics is based are incorrect. Garbage in, garbage out.
<i>What do you think maths is? stupid sumations and that comercial profit loss thing only??,ever heard of a thing called CALCULUS??</i>
Erm... yes, I've heard of it, and the other things you mentioned. Have you ever heard of the Riemann Zeta function? Or group theory? Or integration around poles in the complex plane? We can play this game if you like.
<i>maths what this world is all about.i may sound sentimental but i still say that it applied maths.</i>
Perhaps an example then. Before Kepler came along, people thought the planets moved around the sun (or Earth) in circles. All the maths of planetary motion was based on circles. Then, Kepler turned up and said "Hey guys! It's ellipses, I tell you!" All the maths had to change in light of the fact that the observations of the actual motions of the planets turned out to be better explained by elliptical maths than circular maths.
Was there anything wrong with the circular <i>maths</i>? No. It just had no connection to the physical world, which happens to work with ellipses (in this case).
See what I mean?
Re: BIT of a disagreement here too
bye!
well what Kepler did was with the help of maths only,i mean he disproved a theory with the help of mathematical calculations and his observations were pretty consistent with the calculations.(he did it without calculus,actually).any further correction would be welcome James.Originally posted by James R
Hi zion,
<i>after all those quotings i still say SEEING MAY NOT BE BELIEVING as we are enterining a computer simulated virtual world.</i>
That might well be the case, but it is a useless hypothesis from a scientific point of view. If no experiment can distinguish between a real and a simulated world, we may as well assume we are dealing with a real world, since we can't hope to do better than that.
<i>practically,are trying to say that observations disprove maths?
you are giving contradiction here James dear.when you say Mathematical theory,you are agreeing to the point of applied maths==physics.so our paradox is resolved.
<i>What do you think maths is? stupid sumations and that comercial profit loss thing only??,ever heard of a thing called CALCULUS??</i>
sorry 'bout that,i think i was pretty impulsive
<i>maths what this world is all about.i may sound sentimental but i still say that it applied maths.</i>
Perhaps an example then. Before Kepler came along, people thought the planets moved around the sun (or Earth) in circles. All the maths of planetary motion was based on circles. Then, Kepler turned up and said "Hey guys! It's ellipses, I tell you!" All the maths had to change in light of the fact that the observations of the actual motions of the planets turned out to be better explained by elliptical maths than circular maths.
Was there anything wrong with the circular <i>maths</i>? No. It just had no connection to the physical world, which happens to work with ellipses (in this case).
See what I mean?
bye!
<<...what Kepler did was with the help of maths only,i mean he disproved a theory with the help of mathematical calculations and his observations were pretty consistent with the calculations...>>
Kepler used mathematics to make sense of the recorded obervational data of Tycho Brahe, who hired him for the purpose.
Kepler's mathematical treatments of the data was important in revealing a new geometric paradigm for celestial mechanics, but his math could only be as good as Brahe's observational accuracy which was achieved by use of a new generation of non-optical observing instruments incorporating large, finely gradated scales capable of making minute angular measurements.
Mathematics is a very crucial science but it is afterall only a language. There are many mathematical terms and concepts that have no direct analog in non-mathematical reality.
Kepler used mathematics to make sense of the recorded obervational data of Tycho Brahe, who hired him for the purpose.
Kepler's mathematical treatments of the data was important in revealing a new geometric paradigm for celestial mechanics, but his math could only be as good as Brahe's observational accuracy which was achieved by use of a new generation of non-optical observing instruments incorporating large, finely gradated scales capable of making minute angular measurements.
Mathematics is a very crucial science but it is afterall only a language. There are many mathematical terms and concepts that have no direct analog in non-mathematical reality.
From Brocha's Brain of Carl Sagan(as written by him), Tycho Brahe was a good friend of his,when he died Kepler merely took away his data and later denied any involvment and even knowing of Tyacho brahe later,died very sadly later on.(insanely).So,i ask you Mr.G, how do you think Tycho Brahe knew that it was ellipse??He must have APPLIED some maths there to find it out isnt it?,i am still convinced that maths is relates to reality very finely.everything is mathematical.
Even father of science fiction ISAAC ASIMOV has written in "foundations edge " about HARI SELDON a scientist had expressed all future in form of equations and it was correct.second foundation the mystical one also believed that maths could explain various mentallly related phenomenon with its complex differential equations.
bye!.
<<...how do you think Tycho Brahe knew that it was ellipse??..>>
Brahe didn't know. Nor could he do the math. It was Kepler's job to do the mathematical reductions of the data.
<<...everything is mathematical..>>
Where is the natural occuring analog of the Zero? Which mathematical equation is best suited to describing love of one's puppy? What can mathematics say about the region inside a black hole's Schwarzchild radius?
Brahe didn't know. Nor could he do the math. It was Kepler's job to do the mathematical reductions of the data.
<<...everything is mathematical..>>
Where is the natural occuring analog of the Zero? Which mathematical equation is best suited to describing love of one's puppy? What can mathematics say about the region inside a black hole's Schwarzchild radius?
THIS IS A FOLLOWUP FROM MY MESSAGE: WHAT IS THE MOST
IMPORTANT FIELD IN SCIENCE. THIS MESSAGE WAS A REPLY
IN THE FIRST TREAD, BUT NO ONE READ IT !!
OK, I think that we could all agree that Physic is at the very
least a very important field of science that can be used
in many other, if not all, field of science.
Now we have physic on one side and many questions and
theories on the other side.
The new questions:
What is the most important aspect of physic ?
Again, Energy comme into my mind. E=MC2. E like Energy.
What are the most promising work in progess physic research
that adress the energy question at this time ?
What do you think will be the final frontier source of energy ?
How do you think unlimited energy availabily could affect human
civilisation and to what extent ?
With computer science advance and artificial intelligence,
unlimited energy enable us to create an vast cyborg army that
can not only automatise many basic human task like resources
collecting, garbage and recylcing, transportation and goods
manipulation, harvesting and converting fruit, vegetable and
cereal, but also maintain and repair themself. The whole
manufacturing industrie could be 100% automatise. The list is
limitless and impact on social life will be incredible. This is only
one case scenario. Imagine the rest...
To escape from this solar system, we will need WarpDrive like
engine. To warp space require an insane amount of energy.
We will need to find something so much powerfull that warping
space will be child play. More dramatic, we could make wormhole
to travel to the other side of the galaxy. Then again, we would
need the equivalent energy of many many stars to make one...
Warpdrive, wormhole, I know, it's still on the very edge of
theorical science for now. One thing is 100% sure, no matter
what we will find in the futur to get to other star, it will recquire
a crazy amount of energy.
It's not a matter of if, but when. It always did. It's not because
we don't know something that it is impossible. We will reach to
other stars and the only thing to prevent it to happen is our self
destruction, or maybe an asteroid...
Now, let's work at it !!
Steph
IMPORTANT FIELD IN SCIENCE. THIS MESSAGE WAS A REPLY
IN THE FIRST TREAD, BUT NO ONE READ IT !!
OK, I think that we could all agree that Physic is at the very
least a very important field of science that can be used
in many other, if not all, field of science.
Now we have physic on one side and many questions and
theories on the other side.
The new questions:
What is the most important aspect of physic ?
Again, Energy comme into my mind. E=MC2. E like Energy.
What are the most promising work in progess physic research
that adress the energy question at this time ?
What do you think will be the final frontier source of energy ?
How do you think unlimited energy availabily could affect human
civilisation and to what extent ?
With computer science advance and artificial intelligence,
unlimited energy enable us to create an vast cyborg army that
can not only automatise many basic human task like resources
collecting, garbage and recylcing, transportation and goods
manipulation, harvesting and converting fruit, vegetable and
cereal, but also maintain and repair themself. The whole
manufacturing industrie could be 100% automatise. The list is
limitless and impact on social life will be incredible. This is only
one case scenario. Imagine the rest...
To escape from this solar system, we will need WarpDrive like
engine. To warp space require an insane amount of energy.
We will need to find something so much powerfull that warping
space will be child play. More dramatic, we could make wormhole
to travel to the other side of the galaxy. Then again, we would
need the equivalent energy of many many stars to make one...
Warpdrive, wormhole, I know, it's still on the very edge of
theorical science for now. One thing is 100% sure, no matter
what we will find in the futur to get to other star, it will recquire
a crazy amount of energy.
It's not a matter of if, but when. It always did. It's not because
we don't know something that it is impossible. We will reach to
other stars and the only thing to prevent it to happen is our self
destruction, or maybe an asteroid...
Now, let's work at it !!
Steph
What do you think will be the final frontier source of energy ?
For matter: Strong force energy. When the universe is long cold and dead -- thermally inactive -- the Strong force still will be binding quarks into protons and neutrons.
For spacetime: Planck time quantum foaming.
For matter: Strong force energy. When the universe is long cold and dead -- thermally inactive -- the Strong force still will be binding quarks into protons and neutrons.
For spacetime: Planck time quantum foaming.
Zion,
It's not really about what you think, it's really about that you think.
Being challenged is life, being agreed with, and thereafter getting comfortable with what you think, is deathful inbreeding.
Its the struggle, not the arrival. The only arrival we really know about is when we appear at our own death. No thanks. I don't want any part of that.
It's not really about what you think, it's really about that you think.
Being challenged is life, being agreed with, and thereafter getting comfortable with what you think, is deathful inbreeding.
Its the struggle, not the arrival. The only arrival we really know about is when we appear at our own death. No thanks. I don't want any part of that.
"What is the most important one. wich one has the best potential
to dramaticly affect our live in the next couple of decade ?"
here is a new idea (well who knows).
-> the most important is philosophy.
It also has been philosophy that has had the greatestinfluence on society until now. I see no reason why that should change.
to dramaticly affect our live in the next couple of decade ?"
here is a new idea (well who knows).
-> the most important is philosophy.
It also has been philosophy that has had the greatestinfluence on society until now. I see no reason why that should change.
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