All perspectives would mean all possible ways of sensing something. So every possible sensory system that we know of in the animal kingdom + whatever other possible sensory systems that can be formed in this universe. Whatever that would mean. Not simply seeing something from all vantages - which is not possible, at least, I think it isn't, since then the seeing would start affecting that which is seen, especially if it was alive.
Further the robots are time bound, taking in information over periods of time. I can't see why I can assume this is objective.
'Many' does not = universal.
This is just one more perspective.
It is a very interesting set up. And I can see an analogy to I-Thou type formulations, but I can't see it as objective.
There would also, likely, I would think, be feedback loops as the outside portions of this self looking in experienced the inside portions of the self looking out - a kind of two mirrors facing each other effect - which would either lead to too much information or would need to be cut off - and this relationship - sort of analogous to introspection - would also be something the robot would not be able to look at. It could look at the wall part of itself and the robots perceiver parts of itself, but it could not look at the dynamic relation between these parts and so it is missing something. Unless relationships do not exist and objects are separate monads and relations are not at all internal. But then relations would clearly, by definition, be internal to this robot since it is relating to itself.
Again it is an interesting idea, but the assertion that it is objective is distracting. It is something and something interesting and likely even relevant to 'us', but I think it is better to leave that something unnamed.
nice post , thanks Doreen.
All perspectives would mean all possible ways of sensing something. So every possible sensory system that we know of in the animal kingdom + whatever other possible sensory systems that can be formed in this universe. Whatever that would mean. Not simply seeing something from all vantages - which is not possible, at least, I think it isn't, since then the seeing would start affecting that which is seen, especially if it was alive.
keeping it confined or constrained to the robot system for the moment.
each individual perspective is merely another input device, a receptor for information about what the unique spacial co-ordinate is experiencing. Suffice to say that that information is not impacting on the environment and is purely informational input to the global resource base.
However it is this unique perspective that the robot is primarily interested in [ like humans ] the rest of his resource base [ global] is only there to tell him about his environment beyond that which he can determine directly for himself. [ human empathy/ intuition, instinct ]
At this stage the robot places no speculation or creativity upon his information and purely acts only on what he has been given by his receptors [consciousness] and global resource base [subconscious influences].
So in this sense the robots each have individuality yet supported with a global resource and as the perspectives unique data is passively added to the global resource and is confirmed by that global resource in the feedback loop the data is in effect true to that environment thus objectively available to all robots, with out them necessarily realizing it as objective.
So robot A knows exactly what robot B is experiencing at a
"subconscious level" and visa versa with robot B concerning robot A.
Robot A then knows that what he experienced can be if circumstances allowed it to be experienced by any other robot as exactly the same as if that robot was "in it's shoes" so to speak. A red wall is a red wall for all robots for example even though they may not be directly able to "see" it.
So if a tree falls in a forest for one robot it falls also for all robots even though they may not be able to directly perceive it as such. Thus "objectively" the tree has fallen.
Further the robots are time bound, taking in information over periods of time. I can't see why I can assume this is objective.
Effectively regardless of moment all robots are seeing the same thing with the use of an individuals receptors . The only difference is that they are not "conscious" of what they are actually seeing through the receptors of the robot in question. I might add the environment is also seeing the same thing through the robots receptors thus we have universal subconsciousness of the same thing except that it is conscious for our robot and subconscious for everything else.
If this is not objectivity then what is it?
There would also, likely, I would think, be feedback loops as the outside portions of this self looking in experienced the inside portions of the self looking out - a kind of two mirrors facing each other effect - which would either lead to too much information or would need to be cut off - and this relationship - sort of analogous to introspection - would also be something the robot would not be able to look at. It could look at the wall part of itself and the robots perceiver parts of itself, but it could not look at the dynamic relation between these parts and so it is missing something. Unless relationships do not exist and objects are separate monads and relations are not at all internal. But then relations would clearly, by definition, be internal to this robot since it is relating to itself.
am still considering the above ....sorry for the delay..
