Nothing from Something?

[Myles]

Yes, zeros have properties. They have the property of being able to exist side by side in the equation 0+0=0.

Sorry to be a party pooper but existence is not a property.

 

[John J. Bannan]

Are you telling me that if we were to do an experiment with a vacuum in a closed system, we could create energy from nothing?

I am not sure how you would get a handle on multiple nothingnesses in order to create energy from nothing.

 

[John J. Bannan]

And nothingness ?

Yes, nothingness has the property of being able to exist side by side with another nothingness.

 

[Enmos]

lol I give up..

 

[CptBork]

Yes, zeros have properties. They have the property of being able to exist side by side in the equation 0+0=0.

And the property of being able to write zero in an equation doesn't make one zero distinguishable from another.

 

[ashura]

I am not sure how you would get a handle on multiple nothingnesses in order to create energy from nothing.

Well, if we were to have a vacuum that was as close as we could get to a perfect vacuum as possible, it's contents would be pretty close to nothing right? And if you had another separate exactly similar vacuum, that vacuum's contexts would be pretty close to nothing right? Suppose you were somehow able to combine the contents of those two vacuums together without introducing any outside "something" agents. Are you telling me then that energy would be created upon the combination of the two vacuums?

 

[Enmos]

Well, if we were to have a vacuum that was as close as we could get to a perfect vacuum as possible, it's contents would be pretty close to nothing right? And if you had another separate exactly similar vacuum, that vacuum's contexts would be pretty close to nothing right? Suppose you were somehow able to combine the contents of those two vacuums together without introducing any outside "something" agents. Are you telling me then that energy would be created upon the combination of the two vacuums?

He said himself that nothingness is everywhere, in between the particles.

 

[John J. Bannan]

Sorry to be a party pooper but existence is not a property.

Certainly existence itself is a quality or attribute. If zero is nothing, than a property of zero would be that it can exist side by side with another zero.

 

[Enmos]

Certainly existence itself is a quality or attribute. If zero is nothing, than a property of zero would be that it can exist side by side with another zero.

But zero isn't nothing.. or is it ?

 

[ashura]

Can someone ban John J. Bannan...he is worse than reiku for spreading this trash

He seems to be limited to one thread. If you had a choice, which would you ban?

 

[draqon]

He seems to be limited to one thread. If you had a choice, which would you ban?

no, not really.

 

[John J. Bannan]

And the property of being able to write zero in an equation doesn't make one zero distinguishable from another.

A zero is distinguishable from another zero, the moment you separate them with an addition sign.

 

[Enmos]

A zero is distinguishable from another zero, the moment you separate them with an addition sign.

It's not the zeros that become distinguishable but their positions.

 

[John J. Bannan]

Well, if we were to have a vacuum that was as close as we could get to a perfect vacuum as possible, it's contents would be pretty close to nothing right? And if you had another separate exactly similar vacuum, that vacuum's contexts would be pretty close to nothing right? Suppose you were somehow able to combine the contents of those two vacuums together without introducing any outside "something" agents. Are you telling me then that energy would be created upon the combination of the two vacuums?

No, because I am not sure how you would get a handle on multiple nothingnesses. I doubt that you can create multiple nothingnesses by using two containers. The containers themselves are created from matter, which has been created through the collisions of multiple nothingnesses. Simply surrounding empty space with matter does mean you can corral nothingness.

 

[John J. Bannan]

It's not the zeros that become distinguishable but their positions.

True, in a sense. The zeros are still zeros, but one zero is on the right and the other zero is on the left of the addition sign. So, you can distinguish the zeros based on their position.

 

[Enmos]

True, in a sense. The zeros are still zeros, but one zero is on the right and the other zero is on the left of the addition sign. So, you can distinguish the zeros based on their position.

What if I swap them without you looking ? (like someone else already said)

To be truly distinguishable they have to have a unique label (property), but they don't.

 

[ashura]

No, because I am not sure how you would get a handle on multiple nothingnesses. I doubt that you can create multiple nothingnesses by using two containers. The containers themselves are created from matter, which has been created through the collisions of multiple nothingnesses. Simply surrounding empty space with matter does mean you can corral nothingness.

...but you just said matter is nothingness. What does it matter if empty space (nothing) is surrounded by matter.

Screw it, this is getting beyond ridiculous. I completely give up.

 

[Enmos]

As do I..

 

[draqon]

so if we all just think this is ridiculous trash why are we here discussing it?

 

[Oniw17]

I haven't read the whole thread, just the first and last 3 pages, but is it basically someone repeating the same 4 phrases while others tell them the flaws inherent in those 4 phrases?