I still see zero evidence that these events are the workings of shadow governments planning things years in advance.
I never said this was a plan, years in the making. It is a flash point. It is a common pattern. Once they rob and loot a nations economy, the war profiteers start a war. Here just happens to be one of the flash points. If you know anything about balance of power, state theory and all that jazz, this is just an area that they are trying to provoke a war. It's an ENGINEERED war. If we lived one hundred years ago or more, you would be the one that would believe that the Mexicans started the Mexican-American War. Or you would be the one that believed that the Spanish sunk the Maine, even though they had nothing to gain from it. . .
I don't know much about Chinese secret societies and conspiracy theories, although I'm sure there's a whole universe of myth, lore, and possibly a tiny sprinkle of truth to be explored there. Regardless, you haven't answered my question- if America's so corrupt to the core and thoroughly blinded by ruling elites, how come Wikileaks is still able to nail them, but has very little dirt on China by comparison? Which society is being manipulated and controlled more, do you think? I say as bad as things are in the US right now, compared to China it's still night and day.
If you actually bothered to investigate Wikileaks, you will find that the great majority of the information they publish is not so secret, but has been available to the public for quite some time. You will also find that Wikileaks is funded by George Sorros, it is an establishment organization, meaning, the don't actually publish or make public or disseminate any information that they don't want the public to know. Why do they publicize seemingly damaging information? Two possible reasons. First, for disinformation purposes. They release statistics that are usually far off of the truth. But since it is "leaked" and "anti-establishment" it must be the truth?
The second reason they reveal actual facts that are no longer of much importance is as a stop gap measure. It is meant as a measure to incriminate the powerful within their own ranks, so that the population and others in power will demand their ousting. It's a way of eliminating rivals. When our foreign rivals see us "cleaning up our own mess" in this way, it buys our corrupt leaders and government time to maneuver in the international diplomacy arena. It's important to remember, Wikileaks has ties, it is NOT independent, it is associated with the CIA. The day a major investigation or government policy is launched because of something Wikileaks has done, come back to me and we'll chat. Just look at the reaction they have gotten when they have threatened to release the secrets of OTHER nations? Then they would be in really hot water. Right now, the U.S. doesn't give a shit. Why? Because they get their info from our intelligence agencies, and thus, they are given the "o.K." on what they can release, and what they can not release. But if they start releasing stuff from our intelligence establishment w/o the "ok" of other nations? Their staff will then hit the wall, you'll see. It won't happen though, wikileaks doesn't have the balls.
Can you point me to a direct quote from a representative of the South Korean government? I have seen no such admission of guilt or responsibility, rather the South Korea seems to be in inner turmoil because their military failed to act even after the shelling, nevermind beforehand. I looked at your sources and all I see is a game of "he said she said".
Direct quote? No. But it is rather common knowledge. The name of the exercise was called, "
Safeguarding the Nation"
The attack on Yeonpyeong came as 70,000 South Korean troops were beginning an annual nationwide military drill called Safeguarding the Nation. The exercise has been sharply criticized by Pyongyang as “simulating an invasion of the North” and “a means to provoke a war.” American officials said the South’s military exercise had been announced well in advance, and should not have come as a surprise to the North.
The official North Korean news agency said in a brief statement on Tuesday night that the South “recklessly fired into our sea area.”
The South Korean deputy minister of defense, Lee Yong-geul, said artillery units had been firing from a battery on the South Korean island of Baeknyeongdo, close to the North Korean coast.
‘Crisis Status’ in North Korea ~ NYT
A backwater it might be, but unlike Serbia circa 1914, North Korea has nukes. Plus by horrible misfortune, Seoul is located right up near the "border" where all the north's artillery is parked. North Korea is far from powerless, I assure you. You're right they get inflamed over ridiculous pretenses, and should South Korea just stop existing in order to appease them?
Now you are totally missing my entire point. If you leave them alone? They will do nothing. They were provoked. And I maintain, they will continue to be provoked until South Korea calls the U.S. out on our shinangins, or a war is started. If a war is avoided, then the U.S. will look else where to start a war before it has to enact a TARP II, and before the G8 meets again. At the next G8 there will certainly be more pressure ratcheted up for throwing out the Bretton Woods agreements and reworking the rules of the IMF. The ruling elites of the west (the split in the Rockefeller's and the Rothchilds dynasty DON'T want that, they would almost prefer a war I think.) If they can't get it out of this gambit, they will continue the Iran angle, or goad the Taiwanese, knowing that is another sore spot for China. Recently, I have also heard that the U.S. wants to help Vietnam assert some sort of claim of some islands? Of course, none of this is any of our business. . . . anything to piss of the Chinese, right?
What matters is that South Koreans have an interest in their own security, and we owe it to them to stand by them, if we expect others to stand by us in our own times of need. Furthermore, today it could be South Korea, if we gave that up it would be Japan tomorrow, and then for all we know Hawaii could be next on the communist checklist. Better to contain North Korea and its backers now, rather than wait, do nothing and and hope for them to be gentle and reasonable at their own convenience.
Good god man, are you serious? You sound like that Senator McCarthy guy from the Dark ages. You ascribe such sinister motives of other nations. What a joke. Why do we owe it to them to "stand by them?" This is the 21st century, there is NO nation on earth that actually wants to destroy another nation, save for a couple. I don't think the North has any desire to militarily conquer the South, and there aren't many educated people that believe that, do YOU actually believe that? And then, this slippery slope argument? Are you for real?
Firstly, it gives military credibility to the porker who's about to take charge. Secondly, like I said, NK has nukes, so they don't need to fear a US assault, because the last thing the US needs right now is the prospect of nuclear war.
Precisely, NK has nothing to gain. The US however? It has everything to gain by having a war. Well, not the nation's people, but it's criminally insane leaders might THINK it is there only option left to stay in the drivers seat. Who knows how these terrorists think. Some of them might even think more nuclear proliferation is a good idea. . . .
IMO we should just level the playing field by increasing military assistance to South Korea and Japan, and raising the level of dialogue with them about having some nukes under their control... something to bark back at China's pitbull.
Nuclear proliferation. . . . Nice.
As if SK or the Japanese are stupid enough to want that shit pushed on them. I think they are both rich enough and technologically advanced enough to have it if they wanted it. . . . as a people, I think they are just more sensible then that. Remember? The Japanese are the only people that have already been nuked once already, I think they have some experience in this area. I don't think you are readily going to convince that nation to build, carry, arm, or otherwise posses this evil. On top of that, the Black Dragon Society is heavily infiltrated the higher political echelons of Asian society over there, I think it would be next to impossible to get the backing to get those weapons in place over there. . . It would be the US greatest dream though, wouldn't it?
