Not enough women in china?!

[Muslim]

The kidnapping of women for marriage by criminal gangs and middlemen has become a growth industry in China.

Chinese chicks can't take a dick. They moan too much and like make you pull out every two minutes, because it "hurts" them.

 

[madanthonywayne]

I'd like to ask though, why are you so obsessed with this issue? The thread is about women and China's one child policy. Not about black women and abortions, be they free or otherwise.

The thread is about a shortage of women in China which is an indirect result its one child policy. Since the Chinese value males more than females, limit them to one child and they'll choose a male, even if they must kill a couple female babies to get the male.

I know you are a supporter of abortion on demand, and was surprised by your vehement objections to women aborting female fetuses. So I was trying to explore the limitations of this idea in your mind.

 

[valich]

Muslim, You're a pervert. I've noticed a sharp increase in the explicit and implied sexual connotations of all the threads on Sciforum every since you joined. Sciforum is an acronym for "Scientific Forum." Your posts are perverted, nonsensical and disgusting.

 

[TimeTraveler]

Why would I want to look the same as everyone else?

Why wear a uniform or a suit and tie to work? Because the corporation says so, it's culture.

Yes and I've already stated I disagree with genetic discrimination. If you are caught up on the issue, good for you. Have your future offspring genetically chosen to represent what you want the human species to be. I personally find it to be kind of disgusting.

The human species should constantly better itself or it will go extinct.

I can look at my own state and I can say with certainty that I'm doing fine (with the exception of pregnancy complications) but otherwise I'm fine. As is my child, hopefully my incoming child and my husband. What's your point? Do you honestly think all will be all nice and pretty in a sci-fi kind of way if we were all genetically bred to look the same? The gene pool benefits from diversity.

Don't you see that if there is a race war there will be far less genetic diversity than if we genetically enhance ourselves?

If you wish to have your future offspring genetically enhanced, then by all means, try and find someone who will do it for as you it is illegal to genetically enhance a child, and I don't think it can really be done.

It's not illegal, stem cell research is legal, human cloning is illegal, and only in this country. This technology already exists, havent you heard about the whole cloning and stem cell debate or are you completely ignorant of the news? Not only can it be done, it should be done, because it's best for humanity. I know you'd rather see our species die off fighting over cosmetics and other bullshit, but if you could control cosmetics through gene selection it removes the basis for all of our cosmetic fighting. People today fight over stupid shit, like being overweight, or having skin too dark, or other stupid reasons to fight. The cosmetic reasons to fight won't exist in the future.

Sure the technology might exist, but I doubt anyone would be willing to do it to please some peons who want children who are a certain colour and look a certain way because they think it is somehow superior or pleasing.

Racism will make people do it. What if the world of the future is even more racist, more sexist, more prejudiced than this one? What if in the future, in order to be human you have to look like Paris Hilton? What if she becomes the standard for beauty? In this case, you'll get to choose between having a child which will be excluded from the world, or having a child which will be accepted by the world. If you want your child to do good in school of course you'll switch on the gene for a photographic memory. If your child has downsyndrome of course you'll reverse that before the baby is born. What parent in their right mind would want to have a baby that has no chance for survival in the world?

Life is only going to get worse in the future because it's going to become more competitive. In the future, every child will be expected to be perfect, perfect physically, mentally, etc. Every family with money will give their child a 150+ IQ, why would they not?

Every family with money will give their child the photographic memory they need to get their PHD.

The people who cannot afford to buy the intelligence genes, could design the appearance of their child so their child looks physically beautiful, and then the child can be a model or an actress or actor.

They call this technology, designer babies. It's part of the future which will also include pills which boost brain function and memory. Let's face it, the world will be so competitive that everyone will have to be a beautiful genius to avoid discrimination.

Look at the current world, it's hard isnt it? Now imagine how hard it will be in 40-50 years when theres even less resources and more people.

http://www.bionetonline.org/English/Content/db_cont1.htm

You want everyone to be the same so there is no racism, but then you add the issue of it only being available to those who can afford it. So then the poorer in society would be discriminated against not only financially but also genetically because they could not afford to have their children genetically enhanced.
I realize someone has to be discriminated against no matter what because it's in human nature to be that way. It's better to discriminate against the most stupid, intellectually lazy, uneducated underclass, than to discriminate across the board through all the classes.

So we are in a situation where discrimination is not going to end in our lifetimes, our only option is to choose the form of it. Class is going to become race. I think you see it happening just like I do.

People can move up in class if they work really hard and are a genius. There will be intelligent people from the lowest class who will be able to compete with the genetically enhanced babies.

And the majority of rich people are those who are white. Hmmmmm not racist you say?

Now you are being stupid. There are white intellectuals, black intellectuals, asian intellectuals, there are rich intellectuals. Stop worrying about the precise percentage of white to black to asian intellectuals, and focus on the human species itself.

Who cares what race they are as long as they exist? Why care about the percentages as long as they exist? Would you rather everyone be poor and be completely doomed?

You might claim you aren't a racist, but all I'm seeing at present is a racist who is also an elitist snob.

I'm not a racist at all, I don't believe in race, you do, so you are racist. I'll admit to being a bit snobby, and elitist, but I don't see any alternative. Intellectual elitism, is healthy in my opinion. Why do we want to encourage being stupid? Racism on the other hand punishes both the intelligent and the stupid evenly, there is nothing good that comes from it.

What makes you think the human species will survive with genetic engineering to breed the 'better' humans?

A more intelligent species has a better chance of survival than a dumb species.

You think we are too stupid to survive as we are, but you'd trust us to genetically engineer the future generation to ensure humanity's survival? Heh!..

It's our only hope really. Do you want to accept that your children have no future?

The irony is hilarious actually. Thanks for that laugh.

Genetic engineering is the best shot humanity has for survival. I don't think humans are intellectually capable of surviving at the current state. We have to be a LOT smarter, a LOT more intelligent.

By being a lot more intelligent, we can go into space, and live on other planets, and actually have a chance at survival. We are not going to survive if we are too stupid to figure out how to control our own tools.

You're on the side of the human race? The same human race you deem too stupid to survive? And it's those humans you want to genetically alter and engineer the future generation to ensure it's survival? HAHA!!

If intelligence is a gene, why shouldn't people have the right to activate it? You don't see the benefit and net improvement humans can gain by being smarter?

You have provided no proof that "trans-humanism" can or will save humanity. And what humanity exactly do you wish to save? Only those who can afford it? Nice. Again, how elitist of you.

You want proof? UNIVERSITY was invented to make intelligent men, more knowledgeable. Books were invented, to store the knowledge of previous generations to aid future generations, these boks were stored in LIBRARIES. If every human had a photographic memory, and could read, imagine the impact this would have on the amount of books in that library, the amount of inventions, the speed of scientific progress, the speed we'd be able to colonize mars, and use our genetic technologies to grow an atmosphere, food, and all of this.

Let's just face it, we are going to die on earth unless we save ouselves. Until you recognize that fact, you won't understand what I'm talking about. You might be against trans-humanism, thats just fine, but you should recognize the fact that you don't have the option to sit, wait, and hope your way into a better future. You are doomed, your future is DEAD, it does not exist, until you save it. You cannot save it if you cannot improve yourself.

You cannot save the future if your mind is trapped in the past.So we have stem cell research, we have computer technology, we also face new problems.

Robots, soon robots will be smarter than biological man. At this point biological man will either learn to upgrade themselves, or be replaced by robots, which will it be?

Secondly, theres too many people and not enough resources. The problems we face currently are the sorts of problems that will wipe us out in another generaton. We do not have time to wait for thousands of years, we might only have 50-100 years left period. So what shall we do?

If we develop pills to make us all geniuses, thats great. If we develop genetic enhancements, thats all great. The only thing that matters in the end is survival of our species, thats us. We are the species, not the race, if you care more about the race than the species, you and I are very different.

Race is just a bunch of genes which can be activated or deactivated. If humans want to select a race, they can control which genes are activated.

There is no need for any sorta violence or fighting, you simply select what eye color, hair color, skin color, height, weight, your baby will have, then you flick a switch and its activated. These genes already exist in your genetic code, you know this. It's basically a matter of taking control of the mechanisms which decide how your baby will look. Usually this is left up to the roll of the dice, an almost random arrangement, but now you can arrange it anyway you want. Basically a baby has all the genes from your family history and your partners family history, and because of this, there are recessive traits that go back for thousands of years, simply activate one of those recessive traits, and it will change the appearance. It's really simple scientifically, as it can already be done right now. It's likely expensive because it's new, but it's already being done to cure children of family diseases.

In fact it's so simple, that a virus could infect the human population and deactivate the gene for dark skin, or introduce new genes. Learn alittle about biological and viruses, also learn about genetics.

 

[Bells]

Chinese chicks can't take a dick. They moan too much and like make you pull out every two minutes, because it "hurts" them.

I will try to be kind.

You are pathetic specimen for a human being...

I know you are a supporter of abortion on demand, and was surprised by your vehement objections to women aborting female fetuses. So I was trying to explore the limitations of this idea in your mind.

I am a supporter of a woman's right to choose. I am not a supporter when abortions are the result cultural pressures on the woman to abort or kill the sex her society deems inferior.

Complex issue for me.

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Time Traveler.. normal text isn't cutting it for you?:bugeye:

The human species should constantly better itself or it will go extinct.

I'd imagine that bettering itself would involve both mental and physical aspects of life. I don't see how creating or breeding a 'superior' form of human beings will achieve that. I don't see how discriminating against the poor or those who 'cannot afford it', and those of a certain colour or genetic disposition will allow the human species to become better as a species. What it will do is breed dishonesty, hatred and mistrust. Much more than what we are seeing in society today.

Don't you see that if there is a race war there will be far less genetic diversity than if we genetically enhance ourselves?

And you think making everyone the same colour will ensure no race wars occur? Heh! You will only ensure that a race war does occur, and then you will have to face the war between the rich and the poor if we are to follow your plan or dreams for the future.

It's not illegal, stem cell research is legal, human cloning is illegal, and only in this country. This technology already exists, havent you heard about the whole cloning and stem cell debate or are you completely ignorant of the news? Not only can it be done, it should be done, because it's best for humanity. I know you'd rather see our species die off fighting over cosmetics and other bullshit, but if you could control cosmetics through gene selection it removes the basis for all of our cosmetic fighting. People today fight over stupid shit, like being overweight, or having skin too dark, or other stupid reasons to fight. The cosmetic reasons to fight won't exist in the future.

The debate over genetic cloning exists for a reason. So now you've gone from tweaking the genes to genetic cloning to breed the 'uber' race to ensure humanity's survival? I guess that blows the whole notion of genetic diversity out the window.. huh?

You want humanity as it stands to die off because of cosmetic reasons. You want to genetically engineer human beings so they are all one pleasing and desired colour because you think that colour is the one that is deemed superior. You wish to ensure the divide between the colours and those who can and can't afford the technology. You want to get rid of the problems of racism by getting rid of what you deem to be the undesired races altogether through genetic engineering and further increase the divide and the problems between the have's and the have nots. Don't try and hide behind the argument that you wish to save humanity. You don't give a crap about humanity.

Racism will make people do it.

I am sure you will try.

What if the world of the future is even more racist, more sexist, more prejudiced than this one?

What if it's not?

And sexist? So you think in your world of genetic selection and breeding, you will somehow breed out sexism or sexuality altogether?

What if in the future, in order to be human you have to look like Paris Hilton?

Ah so now you claim you can only be "human" in the future if you look a certain way? And those who somehow "can't afford it"? What of them? Will they be classified as being somehow less "human"?

Paris Hilton? So you think in the future people will want to look tall, blonde, faked tanned, stoned, not really that attractive and be dumb as a brick? And you claim you want to save humanity? Riiigghhttt..

What if she becomes the standard for beauty?

Some claim her as being one now. Do you see everyone rushing to look and be like her? Do you see parents trying to get their children to be exactly like her so their children can be classified as being beautiful as well as dumb?

In this case, you'll get to choose between having a child which will be excluded from the world, or having a child which will be accepted by the world.

I will go on record now and say with certainty.. if to ensure my child is accepted in the world, he needs to be like Paris Hilton, I will outrightly refuse.

What about those who can't afford it? Are they somehow rejected by the world because they aren't part of the new human race? Hmm how humane of you. And you claim you wish to have everyone be the same so they are equal and there is no hatred? HEH!

If you want your child to do good in school of course you'll switch on the gene for a photographic memory.

I did very well in school and I can assure you I do not have a photographic memory. So what's your point?

If your child has downsyndrome of course you'll reverse that before the baby is born. What parent in their right mind would want to have a baby that has no chance for survival in the world?

So parents who can't afford your notion of genetic tweaking and end up having a disabled child, their children no longer fit into the human race? Your claims of wanting to save humanity continues to fail TT.

Oh and just so you know, people with down syndrome do survive and do end up leading productive and happy lives. You might see them as imperfect or somehow not fitting into the human species, but you are wrong.

Life is only going to get worse in the future because it's going to become more competitive. In the future, every child will be expected to be perfect, perfect physically, mentally, etc. Every family with money will give their child a 150+ IQ, why would they not?

Every family with money will give their child the photographic memory they need to get their PHD.

The people who cannot afford to buy the intelligence genes, could design the appearance of their child so their child looks physically beautiful, and then the child can be a model or an actress or actor.

They call this technology, designer babies. It's part of the future which will also include pills which boost brain function and memory. Let's face it, the world will be so competitive that everyone will have to be a beautiful genius to avoid discrimination.

You are insane.

Did you forget to take your medication lately?

I realize someone has to be discriminated against no matter what because it's in human nature to be that way. It's better to discriminate against the most stupid, intellectually lazy, uneducated underclass, than to discriminate across the board through all the classes.

So you think it's better and acceptable to discriminate against those who cannot afford what you wish for?

Also, if you are turning on intelligence genes, etc, you are only going to ensure that humanity becomes lazy and works less hard.

So we are in a situation where discrimination is not going to end in our lifetimes, our only option is to choose the form of it. Class is going to become race. I think you see it happening just like I do.

No. All I am seeing right now is a lunatic's rant.

People can move up in class if they work really hard and are a genius. There will be intelligent people from the lowest class who will be able to compete with the genetically enhanced babies.

Refer to the above reference to your sanity.

Now you are being stupid. There are white intellectuals, black intellectuals, asian intellectuals, there are rich intellectuals. Stop worrying about the precise percentage of white to black to asian intellectuals, and focus on the human species itself.

Who cares what race they are as long as they exist? Why care about the percentages as long as they exist? Would you rather everyone be poor and be completely doomed?

Shame if those intellectuals are poor now huh? Because then they will deemed to be not human because they can't pay to look like Paris Hilton.

I'm not a racist at all, I don't believe in race, you do, so you are racist. I'll admit to being a bit snobby, and elitist, but I don't see any alternative. Intellectual elitism, is healthy in my opinion. Why do we want to encourage being stupid? Racism on the other hand punishes both the intelligent and the stupid evenly, there is nothing good that comes from it.

No, you're not racist at all...

And yes I was being sarcastic.

A more intelligent species has a better chance of survival than a dumb species.

In other words, only those with the financial means to breed more intelligent children, through genetic engineering, will have a better chance than those who cannot afford it. But hey, as you claim, we have to discriminate against someone right? After all, if there's no one left to discriminate against, what would we do with our time..

It's our only hope really. Do you want to accept that your children have no future?

Oh my children have a full life ahead of them. As well as a future. It is your children's future I am worried about.

Genetic engineering is the best shot humanity has for survival. I don't think humans are intellectually capable of surviving at the current state. We have to be a LOT smarter, a LOT more intelligent.

By being a lot more intelligent, we can go into space, and live on other planets, and actually have a chance at survival. We are not going to survive if we are too stupid to figure out how to control our own tools.

But you'd consider us smart enough to genetically engineer the perfect human being? HAHAHAAA!!

As to the rest of your thread.. Heh..

 

[TimeTraveler]

I will try to be kind.

Time Traveler.. normal text isn't cutting it for you?:bugeye:


I'd imagine that bettering itself would involve both mental and physical aspects of life. I don't see how creating or breeding a 'superior' form of human beings will achieve that.

I'm an intellectual, I think bettering ourselves is mental, because thats where we are weakest. There's no shortage of physically attractive people.

I don't see how discriminating against the poor or those who 'cannot afford it', and those of a certain colour or genetic disposition will allow the human species to become better as a species. What it will do is breed dishonesty, hatred and mistrust. Much more than what we are seeing in society today.

I don't think dishonesty is bred, it's taught. Hatred is bred but we don't know enough about emotions or the causes. Mistrust exists because theres too many people to trust. You can't trust complete strangers.


And you think making everyone the same colour will ensure no race wars occur? Heh! You will only ensure that a race war does occur, and then you will have to face the war between the rich and the poor if we are to follow your plan or dreams for the future.

Class war and race war are not the same thing. In a class war, someone still wins even when a lot of people lose. In a race war no one wins, everyone loses. I'm not saying either of these wars are good, I'm just saying wars are going to occur regardless of what naive people such as yourself think. Maybe you are anti-war, but the majority of the world isnt.


The debate over genetic cloning exists for a reason. So now you've gone from tweaking the genes to genetic cloning to breed the 'uber' race to ensure humanity's survival? I guess that blows the whole notion of genetic diversity out the window.. huh?

I never said uber-race, or race at all. Stop trying to compare me to the Germans and to Nazism. I don't care what humanity ends up looking like, but obviously you do, so you are racist. I'm for genetic diversity, but either we are reproducing too fast and recklessly, or what? You think we can keep doing this another hundred years? Get real. There has to be a conclusion to this that we can all accept. Why don't you search for a conclusion instead of complaining about technology and genetic research. If you don't like genetics, then what do you favor?

You want humanity as it stands to die off because of cosmetic reasons. You want to genetically engineer human beings so they are all one pleasing and desired colour because you think that colour is the one that is deemed superior.

What the hell are you trying to say? I never said I personally think humanity should die off. Humanity thinks humanity should die off. I never said I personally gave a damn which color we picked, I said humanity cannot accept different appearances. You keep trying to make it seem like I invented race, and racism, like I'm Hitler, but no, I was born into this world just like everyone else, and I'm young enough to see it's never going to end because people like you, prefer to sit around and avoid or hide from big problems. You don't like genetics? Ok how would you save humanity from itself?

You wish to ensure the divide between the colours and those who can and can't afford the technology.

I don't control who can afford what, I don't control if we are capitalist or not, I don't control any of that. Stop talking complete utter bullshit about what you think I prefer, and what you think I believe, and what you think I want, when I've never said I wanted any of those things. I accept it's a likely possibility, but I never asked for it. I was born into a world that was on this track, for this possibility, and it was on this track since before I was born. I was born into a world where people had already invented concepts like race and racism. And people like you, who like to complain about it, but do nothing to solve it, are as bad as people who are racist who make the problem worse. If you want to help humanity survive, post some of your solutions that are better than transhumanism.

You want to get rid of the problems of racism by getting rid of what you deem to be the undesired races altogether through genetic engineering and further increase the divide and the problems between the have's and the have nots.

Every race is undesireable, but you don't seem to get it. Everyone being the same color does not cure the problem, it only slows it down. I personally desire every race, but it's not like I get to choose the standard race, society does. I did not choose capitalism, or the language, we are born into these things, it's a path that was set for us by our ancestors long before we existed. I can see where the path is headed, I can see where it's going, and we have a few options to avoid a complete train wreck. Do you want a train wreck?

Don't try and hide behind the argument that you wish to save humanity. You don't give a crap about humanity.

You don't give a crap about humanity if you think humanity can continue doing what it has been doing for another hundred years. What are your solutions? When did I ever say that I personally prefer blonde children? I simply dont' care what our future children look like, I view them all as our children. If society is going to still be racist in 100 years, it's somethnig we have to accept and work around, because some things are too important.

I am sure you will try.


What if it's not?

And sexist? So you think in your world of genetic selection and breeding, you will somehow breed out sexism or sexuality altogether?

I don't know whats going to happen with sexism and sexuality. I don't know how a technology will be used. All I can say is, it's here, and it's going to be used either way, so get rid of your old outdated ideas on what race is. and accept genetics, because thats where the science and technology is. You might not like trans-humanism, but it's better than extinction, and unless you can figure out an idea better than trans-humanism, you are rooting for extinction.

Ah so now you claim you can only be "human" in the future if you look a certain way?

Our human brothers and sisters decided that, not you, not me, the majority.

And those who somehow "can't afford it"? What of them? Will they be classified as being somehow less "human"?

The poor already are considered to be less than human, aliens, etc.

Paris Hilton? So you think in the future people will want to look tall, blonde, faked tanned, stoned, not really that attractive and be dumb as a brick? And you claim you want to save humanity? Riiigghhttt..

Well I certainly hope not, but if thats how people want their kids to look so be it. I don't care how we look in the future. I care how we think and how intelligent we are, I care about our success as a species.


Some claim her as being one now. Do you see everyone rushing to look and be like her? Do you see parents trying to get their children to be exactly like her so their children can be classified as being beautiful as well as dumb?

Paris Hilton is not dumb, that much is obvious, but maybe you think she looks dumb, maybe shes good at putting on that act. You are right, I'd prefer we were more intelligent, I don't really care how we look so the cosmetic stuff does not impress me.

However we live in a world where women get breast implants and nose jobs. Beauty seems to be everything for some people.

I will go on record now and say with certainty.. if to ensure my child is accepted in the world, he needs to be like Paris Hilton, I will outrightly refuse.

He can be like Brad Pitt, ultimately you don't decide what is qualified for acceptance.

What about those who can't afford it? Are they somehow rejected by the world because they aren't part of the new human race?

The world already treats the poor as not being part of the human race. It's not going to change much in 50 years, in fact it will only get worse.

Hmm how humane of you. And you claim you wish to have everyone be the same so they are equal and there is no hatred? HEH!

I never said I wanted everyone to be the same. I said society will not accept physical differences. Society wants everyone in uniform.


I did very well in school and I can assure you I do not have a photographic memory. So what's your point?

But you'd have been better in school if you had a photographic memory. That's my point. People are going to do this even if you don't.

So parents who can't afford your notion of genetic tweaking and end up having a disabled child, their children no longer fit into the human race? Your claims of wanting to save humanity continues to fail TT.

Actually a lot of children now are not considered a part of the human race. If you are born into poverty right now, you are not considered a part of the human race, just look at how kids are suffering in Africa and tell me what you think about how humans treat their children.

Oh and just so you know, people with down syndrome do survive and do end up leading productive and happy lives. You might see them as imperfect or somehow not fitting into the human species, but you are wrong.

It's not about my thoughts. You need to start to understand how the collective human consciousness views itself. Humans view each other in supericial ways, it's not going to change just because you wake up one day and decide not to be racist. People are not going to follow you intellectually. So it's not going to ever end, do you understand? Racism is here to stay, and it will be here in 100 years, because the human brain evolves the slowest.

You are insane.

Did you forget to take your medication lately?

Nice insult.

So you think it's better and acceptable to discriminate against those who cannot afford what you wish for?

The poor are always discriminated against. It's not new, it's been like that since money was invented.

Also, if you are turning on intelligence genes, etc, you are only going to ensure that humanity becomes lazy and works less hard.

If humans are more intelligent, more efficient, etc, why do they need to work hard when they can work smart?

No. All I am seeing right now is a lunatic's rant.

Do you have anything to rant about besides to complain against science?

Refer to the above reference to your sanity.


Shame if those intellectuals are poor now huh? Because then they will deemed to be not human because they can't pay to look like Paris Hilton.

That's already how it is. Welcome to the real world.

No, you're not racist at all...

And yes I was being sarcastic.

I'm not racist, I care about the human race, I don't care about the special interest racial groups, those groups are just groups of people who look similar. People who think similar are more connected than people who look similar.

In other words, only those with the financial means to breed more intelligent children, through genetic engineering, will have a better chance than those who cannot afford it. But hey, as you claim, we have to discriminate against someone right? After all, if there's no one left to discriminate against, what would we do with our time..

Those who can afford better private schools can get their child accepted into Ivy League schools. What is your point? It's always been this way. We live in a capitalist society, there are classes, and the classes will never be equal. So, get real.

Oh my children have a full life ahead of them. As well as a future. It is your children's future I am worried about.

Yeah what world do you live in? Liberal world where everyone in the country is suddenly liberal as hell? It's not going to happen. The country is filled with people who will not get rid of the concept of race, these people are often poor. So some of the most racist people in the world are also among the poor.

I don't hate the poor, or the rich, I believe my people are among both and all classes and race groups. This is why I don't pick a side so easily, because it really doesnt matter which side I pick, the problem is the same for all sides.

But you'd consider us smart enough to genetically engineer the perfect human being? HAHAHAAA!!

I never used the word perfect. I said better.

As to the rest of your thread.. Heh..

You are intellectually incapable of understanding trans-humanism. It's not about having perfect babies, it's simply about having better babies to help create a better future. It's not a guarentee. But what are you for? Racism?

Hatred is a human problem, it creates misery for us all, it's not a problem which will be solved simply by ignoring it like people such as yourself. Just making everyone look the same will not end hatred either. So I don't think cosmetic changes will matter much.

However just because you are against genetic enhancement, it does not mean the rest of the world is going to wait while you sit on the fence, it's going to happen no matter what either of us say. So instead, you should be planning on how to benefit from it. Trans-humanism and genetic research is not about race, theres no "race" in the genetic journals, it's about understanding ourselves, something we should have been doing all along instead of destroying ourselves.

But if genetics is too difficult for you to deal with, focus on something small, like pollution, it should be obvious. If you have more chemical pollution, and waste, it harms the genetic spectrum for humans and animals, it speeds up our extinction. So why don't you focus on chemical and biological threats to our extinction if you care about humanity.

Oh wait, you don't care, otherwise you'd know that racism is a non-issue, that real threat at this point is going extinct. We could go extinct by the pollution we put into our food, our water, our products, etc, and people like you, who I'll call the typical ignorant consumer, will buy it up and feed it to their children and never even know what damage is being done.

You currently get your food from a super market, you have no food security, you have no water security, a new case of mad cow disease was discovered recently in the USA, the global water suppy is running out, the global energy supply is finite and will run out. We are fucked unless we collectiely realize that if we don't do something, there will be no future for our children, that includes yours, that includes the children in Africa, and any other child of any race type.

So accept it, and start looking for solutions, otherwise, you don't care. You can call me a racist, an elitist, a snob, or whatever you want, but I do care about our collective fate, more than I care about the racism debate.

 

[Bells]

I'm an intellectual, I think bettering ourselves is mental, because thats where we are weakest. There's no shortage of physically attractive people.

So you think it is better to switch on a few genes instead of encouraging hard work and improving humanity through education available to all equally? Fine.

You are obsessed with looks. Don't you get it? What you may deem attractive is not what others may deem to be attractive. What is pleasing or desired is individual and not collective. Do you honestly think that we are all attracted to or think the same thing as being desired or desirable?

I don't think dishonesty is bred, it's taught. Hatred is bred but we don't know enough about emotions or the causes. Mistrust exists because theres too many people to trust. You can't trust complete strangers.

And genetic breeding will ensure that dishonesty, hatred and mistrust abounds. People will lie about their genetic origins. People will hate others because they have a particular gene or they could afford to have a particular gene "switched on", etc.

People do it now. You honestly think genetic engineering and eugenics will somehow make this disappear and make everything perfect? Don't be naive.

Class war and race war are not the same thing. In a class war, someone still wins even when a lot of people lose. In a race war no one wins, everyone loses. I'm not saying either of these wars are good, I'm just saying wars are going to occur regardless of what naive people such as yourself think. Maybe you are anti-war, but the majority of the world isnt.

No one wins in any type of war. Wars have repercussions which continue and lasts for generations upon generations. Genetic engineering and eugenics won't get rid of that. It will only ensure that a future war will take place between the have's and the have nots.

I never said uber-race, or race at all. Stop trying to compare me to the Germans and to Nazism. I don't care what humanity ends up looking like, but obviously you do, so you are racist. I'm for genetic diversity, but either we are reproducing too fast and recklessly, or what? You think we can keep doing this another hundred years? Get real. There has to be a conclusion to this that we can all accept. Why don't you search for a conclusion instead of complaining about technology and genetic research. If you don't like genetics, then what do you favor?

On the contrary, you do care what people end up looking like, so long as they don't look like they do now. You do care otherwise you wouldn't keep mentioning cosmetic beauty as being desired (eg Paris Hilton and Brad Pitt).

You claim you aren't a racist but you are quite willing to have many races cease to exist as they do today because you think it would be beneficial for everyone to change themselves to please society's view of what is aesthetically pleasing. And you only wish that for those who can afford it because you think it's 'ok' to discriminate against the poor and you consider poor people (such as people from Africa) to be somehow less human than others.

And you aren't racist?

What the hell are you trying to say? I never said I personally think humanity should die off. Humanity thinks humanity should die off. I never said I personally gave a damn which color we picked, I said humanity cannot accept different appearances. You keep trying to make it seem like I invented race, and racism, like I'm Hitler, but no, I was born into this world just like everyone else, and I'm young enough to see it's never going to end because people like you, prefer to sit around and avoid or hide from big problems. You don't like genetics? Ok how would you save humanity from itself?

Your brand of eugenics will ensure that humanity dies off. As humanity will lose its very identity and individuality. That's what makes us human. Our identity, and our individuality. You wish to rob future generations of this and I think that's quite sad. We are each unique. You wish for all of us to be the same.. or just those who can afford it.. those who can't no longer fall part of the human race as far as you are concerned. And you claim you care for humanity?

I don't control who can afford what, I don't control if we are capitalist or not, I don't control any of that. Stop talking complete utter bullshit about what you think I prefer, and what you think I believe, and what you think I want, when I've never said I wanted any of those things. I accept it's a likely possibility, but I never asked for it. I was born into a world that was on this track, for this possibility, and it was on this track since before I was born. I was born into a world where people had already invented concepts like race and racism. And people like you, who like to complain about it, but do nothing to solve it, are as bad as people who are racist who make the problem worse. If you want to help humanity survive, post some of your solutions that are better than transhumanism.

And instead of working to make it better, you are working to make it worse by ensuring the economic divide widens and continues and that discrimination carries on. You want to ensure that those who somehow cannot afford it are treated less humanely. That is the very true possibility of the future as you wish it.

Your solution to solving it is to lower the human status of the very individuals you claim you aren't racist against.

Every race is undesireable, but you don't seem to get it. Everyone being the same color does not cure the problem, it only slows it down. I personally desire every race, but it's not like I get to choose the standard race, society does. I did not choose capitalism, or the language, we are born into these things, it's a path that was set for us by our ancestors long before we existed. I can see where the path is headed, I can see where it's going, and we have a few options to avoid a complete train wreck. Do you want a train wreck?

Every race is desireable. As for choosing what is desireable. What is desireable to one will not be desireable to others. We are born into our society. But we must then make a conscious thought as to how we treat and view that society as a whole. Your brand of eugenics will ensure that those less financially able will not be part of society or humanity at all.. unless they are pretty then they can become actors and models (do you live in a fantasy land?).

You don't give a crap about humanity if you think humanity can continue doing what it has been doing for another hundred years. What are your solutions? When did I ever say that I personally prefer blonde children? I simply dont' care what our future children look like, I view them all as our children. If society is going to still be racist in 100 years, it's somethnig we have to accept and work around, because some things are too important.

Read all your posts in this thread and you tell me what you think. You seem to waver in all sorts of directions at the moment. One minute you don't care what they look like, the next minute you do care what they look like so long as they please society's desires in cosmetic beauty so they fit in.

Society will always be racist because there are those who think that one is better than the other. Eugenics won't get rid of that. Instead, it will ensure discrimination continues into further generations and society then divides itself into the rich and the human and the poor and the lesser humans. I'm sorry but such a future is does not appeal to me in any way, shape or form.

I don't know whats going to happen with sexism and sexuality. I don't know how a technology will be used. All I can say is, it's here, and it's going to be used either way, so get rid of your old outdated ideas on what race is. and accept genetics, because thats where the science and technology is. You might not like trans-humanism, but it's better than extinction, and unless you can figure out an idea better than trans-humanism, you are rooting for extinction.

You have absolutely no proof that we are approaching extinction due to our current genetic status. Eugenics will in no way ensure humanity's survival. Nor will trans-humanism.

Our human brothers and sisters decided that, not you, not me, the majority.

And you think that is right? Are you a sheep who always does what everyone else does?

The poor already are considered to be less than human, aliens, etc.

By you maybe. But not by me and I'd be willing to bet I am not alone.

Paris Hilton is not dumb, that much is obvious,

It is? What planet have you been living on?

but maybe you think she looks dumb, maybe shes good at putting on that act.

She looks dumb because she is dumb. And sadly, I don't think it's an act.

If it is, she's dumber than I thought.

However we live in a world where women get breast implants and nose jobs. Beauty seems to be everything for some people.

Not for all.

He can be like Brad Pitt, ultimately you don't decide what is qualified for acceptance.

Don't I?

So who exactly does get to decide what is acceptable? Vogue magazine?

The world already treats the poor as not being part of the human race. It's not going to change much in 50 years, in fact it will only get worse.

And that's acceptable to you? You think it's ok to treat the poor like lesser humans because they are poor? You think it is acceptable and desireable to continue to discriminate against poor people instead of trying to help them?

And you claim you care about humanity? Poor people form part of humanity. If you really cared, you'd care that some (such as yourself) might consider them to be less worthy of rights accorded to human beings.

I never said I wanted everyone to be the same. I said society will not accept physical differences. Society wants everyone in uniform.

And you think that is acceptable? Are you a fashion bunnie TT? Do you live by what society deems to be "in" at any present time? Because you see, tastes change and what is physically acceptable or desireable today, may not be the same tomorrow.

Actually a lot of children now are not considered a part of the human race. If you are born into poverty right now, you are not considered a part of the human race, just look at how kids are suffering in Africa and tell me what you think about how humans treat their children.

Again, comments such as this support your claims of caring for humanity.. how exactly?

I don't consider the poor or people in Africa to be less human. People like Prince James might and you think they are right? You think it's right to treat human beings differently because they are poor or from countries like Africa? You think they are somehow less worthy of consideration and rights?

It's not about my thoughts. You need to start to understand how the collective human consciousness views itself. Humans view each other in supericial ways, it's not going to change just because you wake up one day and decide not to be racist. People are not going to follow you intellectually. So it's not going to ever end, do you understand? Racism is here to stay, and it will be here in 100 years, because the human brain evolves the slowest.

If the collective human conscious thinks and believes as you do, then we are doomed and no amount of genetic engineering, genetic tweaking and eugenics can and will save us.

Nice insult.

Thank you.

The poor are always discriminated against. It's not new, it's been like that since money was invented.

So that makes it all alright? Instead of changing that, you think it acceptable to continue and further perpetuate such discrimination?

If humans are more intelligent, more efficient, etc, why do they need to work hard when they can work smart?

We do both now. Why do you think its better to just work smart and not hard?

Do you have anything to rant about besides to complain against science?

I am not ranting against science. I am ranting against your interpretation and reasons for what science should do.

Those who can afford better private schools can get their child accepted into Ivy League schools. What is your point? It's always been this way. We live in a capitalist society, there are classes, and the classes will never be equal. So, get real.

And instead of trying to change that so a good education becomes available to all, you prefer to continue and increase the form and the reason for discrimination.

It's not going to happen. The country is filled with people who will not get rid of the concept of race, these people are often poor. So some of the most racist people in the world are also among the poor.

I don't hate the poor, or the rich, I believe my people are among both and all classes and race groups. This is why I don't pick a side so easily, because it really doesnt matter which side I pick, the problem is the same for all sides.

Go back and read through all your posts in this thread. You don't give a crap about the poor. You dismiss them and their plight with a statement of it having always been that way, so therefore it's fine to ensure it continues and it's fine if society deems them to be somehow less human. Your disdain for those less economically placed is frankly disgraceful for any individual who then dares to claim they only think this way to ensure humanity's survival. You wouldn't know what humanity is if it came and bit you on the arse.

Hatred is a human problem, it creates misery for us all, it's not a problem which will be solved simply by ignoring it like people such as yourself. Just making everyone look the same will not end hatred either. So I don't think cosmetic changes will matter much.

However just because you are against genetic enhancement, it does not mean the rest of the world is going to wait while you sit on the fence, it's going to happen no matter what either of us say. So instead, you should be planning on how to benefit from it. Trans-humanism and genetic research is not about race, theres no "race" in the genetic journals, it's about understanding ourselves, something we should have been doing all along instead of destroying ourselves.

And you wish the hatred and the misery to continue for those who cannot afford genetic enhancement. You claim yourself that they aren't even human, so why should anyone care. You would have to be the most selfish and hypocritical individual I have ever come across.

If understanding ourselves is to claim that poor people are somehow less human, then we have screwed up royally. And you dare claim such a belief is acceptable and you then dare go further and say it is acceptable for it to continue into the future? It is because of people like you and your elitist, racist and frankly pathetic belief systems that we are destroying ourselves. It is because people like you exist that we are doomed as we stand. You don't give a shit if genetics can help the poor or the sick and injured. You just want everyone to look aesthetically pleasing and pretty and be smart.. much like Hitler wanted every German to be and aspire aryan in looks. You want there to be a divide between the rich and the poor. You actually turn my stomach.

Oh wait, you don't care, otherwise you'd know that racism is a non-issue, that real threat at this point is going extinct. We could go extinct by the pollution we put into our food, our water, our products, etc, and people like you, who I'll call the typical ignorant consumer, will buy it up and feed it to their children and never even know what damage is being done.

And genetically enhancing my children will change this how exactly? It was the past's progress that is seeing us in the polluted nightmare we are witnessing today. I wonder what hell tomorrow will be if we are to follow your ideals and morals regarding our genetic future, all in the name of progress and the betterment of humanity, same as it was meant to be in the past. And look where it's gotten us now.

You currently get your food from a super market, you have no food security, you have no water security, a new case of mad cow disease was discovered recently in the USA, the global water suppy is running out, the global energy supply is finite and will run out. We are fucked unless we collectiely realize that if we don't do something, there will be no future for our children, that includes yours, that includes the children in Africa, and any other child of any race type.

What? The children in Africa are suddenly more human to you now? All this after your claims that their poverty made them somehow less human? You hypocritical little wretch. Don't you dare claim you care about humanity or its future after you have dared spout the drivel you have spouted in this thread.

So accept it, and start looking for solutions, otherwise, you don't care. You can call me a racist, an elitist, a snob, or whatever you want, but I do care about our collective fate, more than I care about the racism debate.

Don't you have a Vogue magazine to go and read to see what society has this month deemed to be socially acceptable?

 

[TimeTraveler]

So you think it is better to switch on a few genes instead of encouraging hard work and improving humanity through education available to all equally? Fine.

You are obsessed with looks. Don't you get it?

I don't care about looks, humanity does.It's not about me as an individual, it's about us.


What you may deem attractive is not what others may deem to be attractive

I deem women attractive. But whats that have to do with what society, what humanity, deems attractive?

What is pleasing or desired is individual and not collective.

It's collective, thats what racism is, collectively deeming certain groups ugly and certain groups beautiful. It's collective aestheticism. It's a collective thought manifested.

Do you honestly think that we are all attracted to or think the same thing as being desired or desirable?

I don't believe we all think the same, but majority often overrules. The majority is racist, you know it just as well as I do.

And genetic breeding will ensure that dishonesty, hatred and mistrust abounds. People will lie about their genetic origins.

No one cares about your genetic origins now, and most people don't know their own genetic origins, if you look black you are black, if you look white you are white, it's that superficial and never had anything to do with genetics.

I guess you can't see that people already are racist.

People will hate others because they have a particular gene or they could afford to have a particular gene "switched on", etc.

People who hate, find excuses to express their hate, it has nothing to do with racism, or with race. Race is just a very easy excuse to hate others, it's visible. What they really hate is the different appearances, but race was made up to provide the ideology and excuses to make it seem reasonable.


People do it now. You honestly think genetic engineering and eugenics will somehow make this disappear and make everything perfect? Don't be naive.

I never said I supported Eugenics. Whats your answer? You tell me expert, you really think doing nothing will make everything perfect?

No one wins in any type of war.

You are a typical antiwar liberal. The problem with your viewpoint is, it's unrealistic. War will exist as long as there is conflict and hatred. You can be right about one thing, war does not have to be a violent process. We have non-violent ways to fight and resolve conflicts, we need to develop those. War however will always exist in some form.

Wars have repercussions which continue and lasts for generations upon generations. Genetic engineering and eugenics won't get rid of that. It will only ensure that a future war will take place between the have's and the have nots.

The war between the haves and have nots? Are you a Marxist now? Even if you are right, you and I know theres nothing either of us can do about it. Capitalism by design, causes that war to occur. It's not here yet, and you are an America, you should be happy you arent in Africa suffering.

On the contrary, you do care what people end up looking like, so long as they don't look like they do now. You do care otherwise you wouldn't keep mentioning cosmetic beauty as being desired (eg Paris Hilton and Brad Pitt).

Why can't you understand that humanity decides on it's future collectively? You act like I'm the one who decides. I don't decide. I tell you what humanity has decided. Humanity has collectively decided to be racist. That decision, like dominos, creates a chain reaction of events which lead to another chain reaction of events, which is why we are in the situation we are in now, it's all cause and effect.


You claim you aren't a racist but you are quite willing to have many races cease to exist as they do today because you think it would be beneficial for everyone to change themselves to please society's view of what is aesthetically pleasing. And you only wish that for those who can afford it because you think it's 'ok' to discriminate against the poor and you consider poor people (such as people from Africa) to be somehow less human than others.

Not caring about any of the races except the human race, is the exact definition of a neutral, a non-racist. It's really simple, my family are my friends, my parents, people I actually know, maybe some people I don't know, but it's definately not based on how they look. Whatever humanity decides, is best, is best. This is not a decision that I as an individual can make. I may get a vote, but I don't get to take away anyone elses vote.

Also, it's not that I consider poor people less than human, I'm poor myself, I'm saying many rich people, and even other poor people, view poorer people as less than human. You can try to say that I'm the one, like I as an individual created societies views, but I'm just observing. Society has decided not to care about it's children.

And you aren't racist?

Humanity is racist. This does not mean I'm talking about me as an individual, what about this sentence confuses you? I'm telling you what your species has decided for you and me.

Your brand of eugenics will ensure that humanity dies off. As humanity will lose its very identity and individuality.

Humans hate identity and individuality, thats why racism exists, to destroy individuality. If everyone wanted individuality everyone would embrace multi-culturalism and diversity. Like I said before, the majority of humans are racist, so what you and I think about this does not matter, but you don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that you are outnumbered.

That's what makes us human. Our identity, and our individuality.

Some don't view you as human, but you don't seem to get that. Some view you as a biological machine. Some view you as a resource. Some view you as an object or tool. Humans do not view themselves as human, because humanity hates itself, but you don't seem to be able to see the big picture because your brain is too small. It's not about me, it's not about you, the world does not revolve around us and our petty opinions. It's about what the whole of humanity decides, what do the majority of humans want? The majority of humans are racist, and want to judge by skin color and appearance. You think not? The job interview exists, so people can judge. Beauty contests exist so people can judge.

None of this is a problem, judging is not the problem as every human has a right to their own definition of beauty. The problem is that humans judge character by externality.

You wish to rob future generations of this and I think that's quite sad.

Present generations wish to rob future generations of this, and I agree it's quite sad, but thats how it is.

We are each unique. You wish for all of us to be the same.. or just those who can afford it..

We are too unique, because the majority of humans think so. The majority of humans want to seperate all the different appearances. The majority of humans want limited diversity. Humans of appearance type A, for whatever reason, want to live around humans of appearance type A. I say fine, let them.

As long as non-racists can live with non-racists, why do you care what racist humans are doing?

those who can't no longer fall part of the human race as far as you are concerned. And you claim you care for humanity?

You know the rules of capitalism. We are not socialist. It's just like that. I'm not saying it has to be like that at all, but there does not have to be ghettos and homeless people either, or people starving. Whatever we see now, it's here because we want it to be here, we want ghettos to exist so we maintain them, we want to have people starving so we avoid making changes to improve efficiency, we want suffering in Africa, and diseases like AIDS to exist. Unless you see people fighting something, it's wanted. We are fighting AIDs, but doing a horrible job providing medicine to people in Africa. Why?

You have kids who grow up, both their parents dead from AIDs, because their parents couldnt afford the medicine?!

And instead of working to make it better, you are working to make it worse by ensuring the economic divide widens and continues and that

What do you propose? That we become communist? As long as we keep capitalism, that divide will always exist, because capitalism by design creates haves and have nots.

discrimination carries on. You want to ensure that those who somehow cannot afford it are treated less humanely. That is the very true possibility of the future as you wish it.

As humans wish it. You keep trynig to blame humans decions on one human. Sometimes you have to accept the decisions of billions of people as their choice, and adapt to it. I'm not capable of ignoring consensus.




Your solution to solving it is to lower the human status of the very individuals you claim you aren't racist against.

Your solution is to ignore consensus and live in a fantasy world. You need to seek a therapist.

Every race is desireable. As for choosing what is desireable. What is desireable to one will not be desireable to others

Desire is individually chosen, however collectively the human race does not desire itself. So you still dont get it. Humanity does not wish to exist.

We are born into our society. But we must then make a conscious thought as to how we treat and view that society as a whole. Your brand of eugenics will ensure that those less financially able will not be part of society or humanity at all.. unless they are pretty then they can become actors and models (do you live in a fantasy land?).

Thats how it is right now. If you are born in the wrong place, in poverty, you get treated as less than human, it's already like that. How are you going to change reality?

Read all your posts in this thread and you tell me what you think. You seem to waver in all sorts of directions at the moment. One minute you don't care what they look like, the next minute you do care what they look like so long as they please society's desires in cosmetic beauty so they fit in.

I never said these were my personal opinions, or that I care either way. I said humanity cares about these trivial arguements. It has nothing to do with me really.

Society will always be racist because there are those who think that one is better than the other.

Good, now you get it, now you can understand what I was saying all along and why your silly ideas to ignore human nature is as stupid as saying "Well I don't need money, capitalism is a flawed system, lets burn the money" Yeah go ahead and burn your money, and be stupid. It's a waste of your time and money.

Eugenics won't get rid of that. Instead, it will ensure discrimination continues into further generations and society then divides itself into the rich and the human and the poor and the lesser humans.

Yeah, and whats your problem with capitalism? Capitalism is all about the haves and have nots. You can make it more efficient, but it's going to always divide. Whats wrong with dividing through capitalism? I'm not saying I think it's good, but when you have 6 billion people and it could double to 12 billion people, well, how long do you think it can last?

I'm sorry but such a future is does not appeal to me in any way, shape or form.

Well it's going to be the future because you do nothing to shape or form the future.

You have absolutely no proof that we are approaching extinction due to our current genetic status. Eugenics will in no way ensure humanity's survival. Nor will trans-humanism.


Yeah, okay, now you will ignore global warming, pollution, the rising world violence and misery, the lowering of the quality of life on the index. You will ignore all the wars, all the plagues, all the pesticides, all the diseases, how ignorant are you?

I don't understand your thinking. You are for gun control and against global warming, yet you say you care about humanity that you do absolutely nothing to protect.

And you think that is right? Are you a sheep who always does what everyone else does?

You are the biggest sheep, it's not that I'm a sheep. But who do you think I am? I'm just a college student. If you want to ask that question, why don't you ask your parents why they think like sheep.

By you maybe. But not by me and I'd be willing to bet I am not alone.

Your solution to lifes problems, are to ignore them. You are the same person, who is for gun control, because you don't care how violent or how well armed the criminals are.

It is? What planet have you been living on?


She looks dumb because she is dumb. And sadly, I don't think it's an act.

If it is, she's dumber than I thought.


Not for all.


Don't I?

So who exactly does get to decide what is acceptable? Vogue magazine?

Fashion designers, magazines, hollywood, a lot of people. Maybe if you focused on that then you wouldnt be so ignorant of whats really going on.Women are dying of eating disorders, it's not about race. White women, our human sisters, are dying of eating disorders more than anyone else. For all the talk that you give on racism, have you ever considered how white women are treated by the media? Do you even care?

And that's acceptable to you? You think it's ok to treat the poor like lesser humans because they are poor? You think it is acceptable and desireable to continue to discriminate against poor people instead of trying to help them?

I never said I think any of that.

And you claim you care about humanity? Poor people form part of humanity. If you really cared, you'd care that some (such as yourself) might consider them to be less worthy of rights accorded to human beings.

Yeah so? I care about some of the poor and some of the rich. Whats your point? I'm poor myself, so I know how the poor are viewed, but I also know that some people are poorer than me, and these people are not viewed as human anymore. Do I think this is right? No, actually I don't think it's right, but this is how the world is currently set up. You cannot operate in the world based on how you want to be, you have to operate in the world based on how it is.

And you think that is acceptable? Are you a fashion bunnie TT? Do you live by what society deems to be "in" at any present time? Because you see, tastes change and what is physically acceptable or desireable today, may not be the same tomorrow.

Why arent you in the fashion business? It's not about me, it's simple, most people are fashion bunnies and live and die by what the TV tells them is cool, hot, etc. Proof? Look at all the wannabe gangsters who watch gangster rap. Look at all the women starving themselves to look like a model. Spain had to recently ban stick figure models, it's a start, but what about the rest of the world? You see my point? Women don't have full control of their image, no one controls their image fully. A lot of kids grow up without anyone to look up to besides their television heros. You just don't understand.


Again, comments such as this support your claims of caring for humanity.. how exactly?

You refuse to believe humanity is on the verge of extinction, so either you dont' care, or you are the most naive person I've ever communicated with.

I don't consider the poor or people in Africa to be less human. People like Prince James might and you think they are right? You think it's right to treat human beings differently because they are poor or from countries like Africa?

The poor are universally treated bad in any country, it's not just Africa.

You think they are somehow less worthy of consideration and rights?

Just because you and I may not think like this, it does not change the fact that if the right people think like this, then its just how the world is going to be.

If the collective human conscious thinks and believes as you do, then we are doomed and no amount of genetic engineering, genetic tweaking and eugenics can and will save us.

We were talking about the collective human consciousness all along. The collective consciousness thinks more like Prince James sadly. Prince James is absolutely a representitive of the common man. People who think like me are like 1% of humanity, and people who think like you, are the common naive liberal types.

Thank you.


So that makes it all alright? Instead of changing that, you think it acceptable to continue and further perpetuate such discrimination?

Discrimination is unending, it simply changes forms over time. Thinking you can end discrimination is as stupid as thinking you can end gun violence by having tougher gun laws. No you won't end gun violence just because you add more laws, and you won't end discrimination just because you outlaw it.

We do both now. Why do you think its better to just work smart and not hard?

You work smart because it's efficient, working hard is inefficient use of energy. You end up using more energy to accomplish the same thing when you could use that energy on something else.


I am not ranting against science. I am ranting against your interpretation and reasons for what science should do.

Oh so you think science should be used to make more weapons so we can kill each other?

And instead of trying to change that so a good education becomes available to all, you prefer to continue and increase the form and the reason for discrimination.

Education cannot end discrimination. People who hate have brains that work differently from yours. I can already see you don't hate. But don't assume everyone has your naive mind. Some people hate and know what they are doing, and don't care if we go extinct.

Go back and read through all your posts in this thread. You don't give a crap about the poor. You dismiss them and their plight with a statement of it having always been that way, so therefore it's fine to ensure it continues and it's fine if society deems them to be somehow less human. Your disdain for those less economically placed is frankly disgraceful for any individual who then dares to claim they only think this way to ensure humanity's survival. You wouldn't know what humanity is if it came and bit you on the arse.

I'm not rich. I don't dismiss. It's not about me, it's humans who decide. I realize my opinions don't matter. do you?

And you wish the hatred and the misery to continue for those who cannot afford genetic enhancement. You claim yourself that they aren't even human, so why should anyone care. You would have to be the most selfish and hypocritical individual I have ever come across.

Like I said, you don't know any of my opinions. So you are complaining about the collective decisions of your race.(the human race)

If understanding ourselves is to claim that poor people are somehow less human, then we have screwed up royally. And you dare claim such a belief is acceptable and you then dare go further and say it is acceptable for it to continue into the future?

It's not my decision to decide what is acceptable and unacceptable. It's humanities. And humans think it's acceptable so it is.

It is because of people like you and your elitist, racist and frankly pathetic belief systems that we are destroying ourselves. It is because people like you exist that we are doomed as we stand.

You don't get anything I say. It's above your level.

You don't give a shit if genetics can help the poor or the sick and injured. You just want everyone to look aesthetically pleasing and pretty and be smart.. much like Hitler wanted every German to be and aspire aryan in looks. You want there to be a divide between the rich and the poor. You actually turn my stomach.

Here you go bringing Hitler into it again. You just use the name Hitler to make an arguement even when Hitler has nothing to do with me, or transhumanism, or genetics.

And genetically enhancing my children will change this how exactly? It was the past's progress that is seeing us in the polluted nightmare we are witnessing today. I wonder what hell tomorrow will be if we are to follow your ideals and morals regarding our genetic future, all in the name of progress and the betterment of humanity, same as it was meant to be in the past. And look where it's gotten us now.

So what are you going to do? Leave society and live in a cave next to Bin Laden?

What? The children in Africa are suddenly more human to you now? All this after your claims that their poverty made them somehow less human? You hypocritical little wretch. Don't you dare claim you care about humanity or its future after you have dared spout the drivel you have spouted in this thread.

Yes of course they are human to me, but to the majority of humans they arent.


Don't you have a Vogue magazine to go and read to see what society has this month deemed to be socially acceptable?

You need to read more.

 

[Muslim]

Muslim, You're a pervert. I've noticed a sharp increase in the explicit and implied sexual connotations of all the threads on Sciforum every since you joined. Sciforum is an acronym for "Scientific Forum." Your posts are perverted, nonsensical and disgusting.

Sex is natrual. Deal with it.

 

[valich]

Being a pervert, as YOU ARE!, is very "unnatural." Deal with it. You need help. I strongly urge you to seek psychological counselling before your dick guides your uncontrollable instincts into raping young girls, just to satisfy your little organ.

You're a pervert!

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

because alll the girls are up 4 adoption

peace,