Neutron emission

perfectionist

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1)Neutron emission is not a possible mode of decay for K(40,19).Why?
I think it is because the neutron to proton ratio for potassium(40,19) is almost unity(more precisely N/P=1.1). So, neutron emission is not a mode of decay to gain stability. Is it right?
 
IT SEEMS.... K... suffers beta decay...

it give off an electron... so... a nuetron doesnt get emitted.
a nuetron does however emit an electron to become a proton.

making it... into Calicium 40

-MT
 
SO, YEAH.. they say... if you look at the stability band graph, you will notice that as atoms get bigger...

the ratio of nuetron to proton changes.. i.e..
more nuetrons/ per proton.

which... on a side note... fits very nicely with a graph made to represent spheres of a range of sizes.

using surface area as proton charge, and volume as mass.

in such a graph... we see that as spheres get bigger... the volume always grows faster than the surface area... JUST LIKE IN NUCLEONS.


-WHICH i THINK CHALLENGES OUR VIEW OF NUCLEONS... BUT THATS JUST ME.

-MT
 
1)Neutron emission is not a possible mode of decay for K(40,19).Why?
I think it is because the neutron to proton ratio for potassium(40,19) is almost unity(more precisely N/P=1.1). So, neutron emission is not a mode of decay to gain stability. Is it right?
At wiki (potassium/isotopes) I found:

"Three isotopes occur naturally: 39K (93.3%), 40K (0.012%) and 41K (6.7%). Naturally occurring 40K decays to stable 40Ar (11.2%) by electron capture and by positron emission, and decays to stable 40Ca (88.8%) by beta decay; 40K has a half-life of 1.250×109 years."

Note that 93.3% of potassium is the stable isotope with one less neutron, so there are even less neutrons to overcome the mutual repulsion between the protons. So I would say your guess is completely wrong.

I guess, but know little of this field, that the two decay modes are aided by the electrostatics. I.e. an external electron is attracted by the protons to form argon, 40Ar, (converting a proton into into a neutron and thus improving the binding together of the nucleus) or 40K creating a positron (from a proton converting* it to a neutron) and immediately expelling the positron (as the short range nuclear forces only act between barrions) So there is nothing to keep the positive charge of the nucleus from tossing it out.
If 40K emits an electron, (converts a neutron into a proton) it forms 40Ca. I am too lazy to look up and not sure from memory, but think the neutron converted was more massive than the proton. If true, then the energy needed for the beta to escape the attraction of the now 20 protons comes from the mass difference. If the proton is the more massive, I do not understand why forming Ca is the more probably.

To throw a neutron out of the nucleus is very hard. It is attracted by strong short range nuclear forces. How can it escape? If you want to throw out barions from the nucleus, you need to throw out some protons also in a bound unit so the mutual repulsion between those thrown out and those remaining can supply the departure energy. For example toss out an alpha particle.

In payment for my answer (from above wiki and by thinking only) please post the which is heaver; proton or neutron.
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*Although this will not significantly change the nuclear binding, it will reduce the mutual repulsion between the 18 protons that remain in the 40Ar, which has the same net effect on the nuclear stability.

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MT's "fits very nicely with a graph made to represent spheres of a range of sizes. using surface area as proton charge, and volume as mass. in such a graph... we see that as spheres get bigger... the volume always grows faster than the surface area." is NONSENSE. -The reason why the stable ratio of N/P increase as you move up thru the periodic table is due to fact that the Coulumb force extends far but the strong force (barion/barion attraction) is of such short range that in the larger nuclei, it can not even "reach" across the nucleus.
 
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why dont you draw up the graph.. billy??

if you took the time...

S= 4 x (Pi) x R^2

V= 4 x (Pi) x R^3 / 3

you will note that at R = 3.... as in 3 quarks... the values for S and V are equal... at 113


as we increase the Radius.... to 4.5 6...7...8...

the graphical pattern.... looks... just like the stability band graph.


what this shows... is that this quality of volume... as mass... will for any given nucleon.. grow much faster than the surface area.

it is also a fact that for any body... charged body... the amount of charge... is always dependant on the surface area.


now.. hydrogen for example has charge one.. and mass one.

hydrogen also as one proton is thought to have 3 quarks.

is we contemplate the nucleon as a sphere.. we find that just using this reasoning we would expect to see the pattern found in the stability band graph, whether atom cores were made of protons and nuetrons OR NOT.


i only pointed to this as a side note.

it is not wrong... it is theory.

it is simply that nucleons... are not perfect spheres.. and if we put this into perspective, it means that due to increased surface area, nucleons could have more charge per mass...

which actually makes the graphs fit much better.

still there is so much evidense, in protons and nuetrons, that there is no hope in me convincing you to think of the possibility that nucleons could actually be solid, and made of nuetral mass, which carries a charge, which is relative to the surface area itself... and that all matter is derived from this break down process.. which is caused by internal energy and mechinsms within matter that drives spin motions in two dimensions.

no... i wont try to convince you of anything like that.

-MT
 
Billy T
A neutron is about 2.5 electrons worth of mass more massive than a proton.
 
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