Muslims promote Sharia law. Why do Christians not promote their law?
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Yes. People who think that contemporary law in North America and Europe is Christian law are seriously deluded.
That being said, there are those who want to make the law in North America based on Christianity. "Dominionists", I believe they call themselves.
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Let me be clear.
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Anyone who does not see the idiocy, immorality and barbaric nature of Christian law is a fool.
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Isn't that insanists?
To call any law a Christian law is wrong. Nothing is in Christianity that has not been plagiarized form older traditions.
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Has someone defined Christian Law? The words in The Epistles are ringing in my ears, for I recall John saying that the Commandment that Jesus brought in was to love one another. Is that in Sharia Law or Jewish Law?
I see the wars even that are being supported by the Christian are because we love one another. Kill the oppressor is a form of love.
This the Christian Law anything else is the adoption of another religion or philosophy.
I guess you would have to explore the legal system of the Vatican, unless you can think of another locale where Christian law exists.
You probably want to differentiate the Muslim theocracies from the democratic ones. Monarchies/oligarchies probably makes for a 3rd class.
I suggested the Vatican. But the widespread use of Christian law in the late Holy Roman Empire, and the early US, probably died a necessary death with pubic abhorrence to the Inquisition and burning of witches.
If you count ritual, meditation and practice, Buddhist monks probably rank high as well as some of the Catholic and Orthodox ascetics (Jews and Christians.) As for the average citizens, practicing Muslims can be compared to devout Catholics and Orthodox Jew/Christians with (I suspect) devout Hindus running by a tail. That is, in terms of devotionals/prayers.
That's a matter of history. Because of the understandable outrage over militancy and terrorism among a small fraction of Muslims, the offended Westerner probably tends to forget that this is a phase, one that has played out over many centuries. Like the cold war western beliefs of "average Russian" attitudes there is little appreciation in the West for the cause of Islamic xenophobia and it's particular rage against the West since WWII, which are all historical beginning with the botched partitioning of Palestine. The unpublished antics of oil developers and their dealings with totalitarian monarchs is a central bone of contention for Middle Eastern people (not necessarily Muslims at large). The shoring up of the Shah of Iran was probably the single most detrimental factor -- the straw that broke the camel's back, in the era of the Camp David accords -- which had led or recent history down this blight-stricken path.
Depends on who you are. If you're an entrenched Islamic fundamentalist, the choice is clear, even though there is no place where 100% of a population endorses anything.
That being said, these systems will all fall in time as the world grows up, becomes more practical, and fewer people continually bang their heads into the wall. :wallbang:
Actually, the Ten Commandments play a fundamental role in all three Abrahamic faiths. This is an interesting article about how if a city/state doesn't allow for an equal representation by and for other groups, then it may be perceived as condoning or endorsing a particular religion. http://articles.washingtonpost.com/...1_monument-ten-commandments-american-atheists
And, some history of 'In God we Trust...'
http://www.treasury.gov/about/education/Pages/in-god-we-trust.aspx
Shows that religious ideals and principles in the U.S., have always had dotted lines to the government.
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Unworkable rhetoric.
Can you be commanded to create an emotion within you?
Need I say more?
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I dare not argue and really do not have anything that I would not accept in part.
When we do grow up, what kind of system of governance do you predict? A timocracy is my guess as I do not believe a true democracy can exist.
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Like where murder and stealing are wrong and illegal? Nuance. Nothing is so good as to be perfect, nor so evil as to be worth nothing.
I think you will find the word translated as love has an easier meaning. This list I found gives you the picture pretty well.
Gives you something to work on in the meantime, while I find the alternative translation for "love".
37 Ways to Love One Another said:
You make it very clear to me you have not tried to read and understand the New Testament. So quite clearly it is you who is the fool. As Christians we are not under that law (which I call the Law of Moses) but under the new law the one written on your heart. None of what "The President" says is written on my heart.
Tell me the Law that is written on your heart?
With all due respect Bob...Jesus suggested no such thing.
Jesus forgave his oppressors. His teachings indicate that we should do the same.
It is mankind who twists a lot for its own vengeful justifications.
In some of the stories that Jesus told to his disciples I can't believe he thought that the passive response is right in every case. There are good reasons to forgive the oppressors too. I would say it has to be considered on a case by case basis. In our time Nelson Mandela was a mighty example. He become president but he didn't extract revenge. But to become president he had to fight.
Self defense is very different.
Defending one's territory, country, etc is sometimes necessary, if you are being invaded. That's true.
Is that what you're talking about?
Yes for sure, but also more than that. If we see women being beheaded for singing a song or going to school as the Taliban did, there comes a time when enough is enough and we just can't turn a blind eye to that either. OK the allies are pulling out but I'm sure the treatment of the women is one thing that will have improved long after they have gone. The girls will become teachers and dancers and singers whatever the talents they have. Well I certainly hope so for we have all paid the price, even NZ has lost soldiers over there.
The blind leading the blind. Both will fall into the pit. How can you be so blinkered into believing all that "Pagan Jesus" BS?
If history repeated itself and we had another person born of a virgin on the 25th Dec. who took up carpentry and later became a miracle worker, would you say that was all based on the life of Jesus? Do you think the same set of events couldn't repeat. There are 8 billion humans on the planet, surely chance is going let it happen again.
So even if you think the Jesus story had similarities to some earlier ones that doesn't mean Jesus wasn't true.
In my research Jesus was born in 17 BC and hence there is no contradiction in the Gospels at all. That gave Jesus the first 12 years of his life in Egypt to become educated in the Egyptian ways. He was very knowledgeable by the time he returned to Jerusalem. But because Herod's son ruled in Jerusalem he went down to Nazareth and lived there. He was about 48 years of age when he was crucified. That ties in accurately with what the ancient writers confirmed.
One of Jesus' disciples was his twin brother, and that is why they would wonder who was the twin of Jesus. Most thought Thomas was the twin so they called him Didymus, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didymus).
In the Gospel of Thomas Jesus tells him he isn't the twin of Jesus.
So I believe Jesus is a true story. But who today can accept that the Virgin Mary had Twins? It is all very well the disciples saying that Jesus had a twin, but only Jesus was taken to Egypt to escape Herod. So how do we explain what happened to the other baby?
When Christianity merged with Rome, in the 4th century AD, a composite cultural orientation formed. When this merger occurred, Rome was not the secular choice of Christianity, but rather Christianity become the religious choice of secular Rome, with Rome in charge.
The composite that forms was partly secular Roman and Partly Christian. The vulnerable Christian, who who would turn the other cheek, benefitted by the tough Roman partnership. While Rome was going through changes, and needed a new unifying identity.
It was this composite of secular and religion, starting mostly secular, that would shape the west. England, France, Spain, Germany, etc., all part of the original Roman empire and then the Holy Roman Empire, would also carry on the tradition of imperialist Rome, with England even being larger in terms of world wide influence. The composite spreads further bringing the world together.
From this, the US would appear as a new experiment in social organization away from the monarchy. The Muslim religion did not have a strong secular partner for balance and therefore tends to be more slanted to their traditional religious base. The Catholic church which evolved from Rome-Christianity tries to strike a balance, each generation, depending on where the pendulum lies.
The composite that forms was partly secular Roman and Partly Christian. The vulnerable Christian, who who would turn the other cheek, benefitted by the tough Roman partnership. While Rome was going through changes, and needed a new unifying identity.
It was this composite of secular and religion, starting mostly secular, that would shape the west. England, France, Spain, Germany, etc., all part of the original Roman empire and then the Holy Roman Empire, would also carry on the tradition of imperialist Rome, with England even being larger in terms of world wide influence. The composite spreads further bringing the world together.
From this, the US would appear as a new experiment in social organization away from the monarchy. The Muslim religion did not have a strong secular partner for balance and therefore tends to be more slanted to their traditional religious base. The Catholic church which evolved from Rome-Christianity tries to strike a balance, each generation, depending on where the pendulum lies.
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I do not have time to write that book and Jesus referred to the O T quite often. If the first covenant had been worthy then a new one would not have been required.
Further, God says he never changes his mind so you will have to find some other way of squirming away from your genocidal son murdering God.
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DL
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