Music with screaming
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This is as good as it gets. Don't give up, the background dancing gets better and better. Start tapping your feet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPnGPIMUnus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPnGPIMUnus
yeh i love Throwdown and Hatebreed. i also like Mudvayne (gotta love Dig) and Parkway Drive are awesome. Havnt really heard much of the others, just bits and pieces really. might go download something now tho
What JFAC song did you download? My favourites are Suspended By The Throat, Knee Deep, Day In Black and Entities.
oh and yeh im from NSW, bout 2 hours south of Sydney
I got Entities and Knee Deep. Sounds good but it might be a bit heavy for my tastes. So are some of those bands I mentioned. I need a bit of melody with the screaming I've put them on the ipod though.
You would like some of the bands at Soundwave Festival. Do you know about it? I'm going to the Melbourne one.
I've put them on the ipod though.You would like some of the bands at Soundwave Festival. Do you know about it? I'm going to the Melbourne one.
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yeh ive heard of it, but ive never gone. I wanted to go to the Taste Of Chaos in Sydney that was in October, but i wasnt allowed to go. they had 2 of my fave bands there. The Used and Aiden.
These guys are aussie hard rock, even though they don't scream in their songs, they still yell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dRlUkPE3UA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dRlUkPE3UATalentless Crap.
Carcano
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I see a very distinct line between music and noise, and music generally has gradually been overlapping with noise since the turn of the century.
Some forms of popular guitar/vocal music are currently about 80% noise and 20% music.
Singers used to scream back in the 70's too, but at least they were screaming on pitch. In other words, it was still musical.
As soon as you go out of tune and out of time it is no longer music...and you may as well be listening to the grunting, shrieking and bellowing echoing up from the basement of your local nut house.
Some forms of popular guitar/vocal music are currently about 80% noise and 20% music.
Singers used to scream back in the 70's too, but at least they were screaming on pitch. In other words, it was still musical.
As soon as you go out of tune and out of time it is no longer music...and you may as well be listening to the grunting, shrieking and bellowing echoing up from the basement of your local nut house.
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Well, I think screamo music these days is absolute crap too!
Your reasoning though isn't something I agree with. How about various forms of percussion only music?
Well, I think screamo music these days is absolute crap too!
Your reasoning though isn't something I agree with. How about various forms of percussion only music?
ash, it takes talent to do the screamo music, bands like Avengend sevenfold, and afi, stone sour all have talent it all depends where you look for it
Oh I'm sure it does. I'm not suggesting I can scream like they do on a whim, it would take practice. I'm just saying that I personally think it's crap because I don't like it and it's absolutely not pleasing to my ears. And you know what they say, one man's crap is another girl's treasure.
But I didn't post in this thread to debate screamo being good. I don't think you and I will be changing our opinions of the topic anytime soon because of eachother.
I'm more interested in disagreeing with Carcano's idea of music being limited to sounds that require pitch. In essence, I'm on the screamo's side (ick) on this one. :shrug:
EDIT: I just noticed Carcano initially mentions pitch only, but then suggests that you need to leave both pitch and meter to stop qualifying as music. Doesn't that mean that screamo still qualifies as music as a lot of it does stick to some form of time?
I'm a fan of music with screaming. In rock, It gives the music a visceral element that meshes with the aggression and distortion of the instruments. It is also an effective way of communicating emotion in the lyrics.
I'm also a fan of bands like The Gerogerigegege that use it as an artsy performance element.
I'm also a fan of bands like The Gerogerigegege that use it as an artsy performance element.
you cant say somthing is crap just because you dont like it, i can say Lord of the rings was shit, but it wasnt, but that doesnt stop you or anyone else
liking it.
bands like ax7, papa roach, msi, afi, are not crap, may be crap to you but you cant get past the screaming.
I can't? But, it IS crap to me. Just like Lord of the Rings might be utter shit to you, because it IS shit to you. Since when does something being considered good in someone's eyes automatically make it immune from being bad in someone else's?
my point i was trying to make but badly, was, it takes talent to do what they do, allbeit, screamo music, or acting
Well, I'm glad we agree! We both think it takes talent to do what they do.
Only I think their screaming talent produces crap music, and you think it produces good music. So, we're right back where we were about 5 posts ago.
Fraggle Rocker
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Screaming is no more talentless than rapping. The question is whether it is music. The definition of music includes melody and harmony. There is none of that in traditional rap (whereas there is in Caribbean dub rap) so rapping is not singing. I haven't listened to your tracks; if they're really just screaming then it's not singing. But if they're just singing really loudly and angrily so that it sounds like screaming but the melody is there--like Robert Plant, Little Richard, and a gazillion other rock stars, then it's singing. But for a person to call it "talentless crap" is simply a way of saying "I don't like it and I don't like the people who do like it." If you ask me there is no performance art in human history less worthy of my attention than tap dancing, yet I admit it takes a lot of talent.
Still, even though shouting and rapping are in some cases not music, the entire performance can be musical if there are elements of melody and harmony to it. "Songs" that are all percussion and spoken or shouted words with no melodic instrumentation are not music. That type of performance was more common in the early days of rap, but it's very rare now. It's never been common in other types of rock or pop music. Even the "talkin' blues" had a guitar and sometimes a whole cowboy band.
I think metal is easier to understand if you look at its history. In the 1960s there was a big segment of the music world that was "civilizing" rock and roll. Adding string sections or complete orchestras, going back to acoustic guitars and singing pretty folk songs, tossing in a cello or a harpsichord and making it downright medieval like some of the Beatles' tunes. By the late 60s acid rock came along with its polite Middle Eastern modalities and instrumentation. Then progressive rock with complex themes, lots of keyboards, and time signatures that defied foot-tapping. Finally disco, with its fully homogenized textures and sounds that were often entirely synthesized.
Heavy metal was a reaction to this. It's electric guitar-driven music, which is why it's called "metal." It's loud and angry, which is why it's called "heavy." Even though many originators of the genre like Deep Purple and Iron Butterfly used keyboards, the bands that became its icons like Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and Blue Oyster Cult did not, at least not in their early days. They were guitar bands, and often "power trios" with only one guitar, bass and drums. They felt that they were taking rock and roll back to its spiritual roots of simplicity, loudness, anger and rebellion. (Not its actual musical roots, since it was long assumed that either the piano or tenor saxophone would be the genre's defining instrument, as the early rock guitarists were from the western swing scene and played some pretty lame licks until Chuck Berry and Dwayne Eddy knocked them on their butts.)
Metal subsided in the late 1970s, as "corporate rock" bands like Journey and Boston dominated the airwaves with guitar riffs that were loud and complex, but still perfectly manicured and devoid of rebellion. Although a few stalwarts like AC/DC and Van Halen kept the fires burning.
Then there was a revival in the 1980s as a new generation of rock musicians who were much more technically proficient came of age. Metallica and other "speed metal" groups cranked out more notes per second than any rockers before them. Ozzy revived the Black Sabbath sound but with young guitarist Randy Rhoads, who could play circles around Tony Iommi. AC/DC came "Back in Black" with a signature song that merged funk with metal, a fusion that quickly became popular. Bands like Slaughter popped up that had the anger, rebellion and churning guitars that kept the heavy metal scene going in a supercharged manner.
Then Metallica made the black album, and "Enter Sandman" brought metal back to its roots of ponderous power chords, dark themes, and a straight blues modality. The grunge movement of the 1990s was, IMO, an offshoot of that, with their gravelly voices, power chords and slow tempos, and dark lyrics about classroom shootings and the bleakness of the universe.
Rap and metal were a natural hybrid, with Rage Against The Machine the quintessential group. Today bands like Korn play what I call infrared metal, with so much of their sound down in the lower registers where the notes blend into each other.
But all along, for the past couple of decades, there have been offshoots of heavy metal like death metal and goth metal, that try in their own way to get back to the roots of rock and roll.
Anger, rebellion, an unsophisticated approach to music... and loud guitar chords. That's metal.
Hmmmm. The Royal Burundi drum chorus sounds like music to me, as does stuff like the gamelan Monkey Chant and groups like Savage Aural Hotbed.fraggle said:
The screaming stuff (and the rap) that has rhythmic complexity and development (which a surprising amount does not) should fit in there somehow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi8KRyY3x4Q (Monkey Chant)
http://www.myspace.com/savageauralhotbed (SAH)
http://www.africachannelmusic.com/rel/v2_viewupc.php?storenr=232&upc=71482209252 (Royal Drum)
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I am a huge fan of screaming music.
Some of my favorite bands (and my favorite songs):
Static-X - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZveEyg_GmQ
Mudvayne
Testament - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udSe5GGWz04
Hatebreed
Project 86 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFNsJ5T3laY
Ensiferum - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cJ3k7yTNqk
Spineshank (If you like screaming, pounding, totally aggressive industrial metal, you HAVE to listen to Spineshank) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hogT2Varibg
I don't like death metal, and I don't like anything that sounds too emo. I used to like it but it got old really fast, and now as soon as I hear the voice I can't stand it. The closest to emo that I will go is probably Breaking Benjamin (they put on a damn good show with Three Days Grace).
It's one thing to listen to it on the CD, but it's a whole different experience to be there at the concert. I go to a lot of metal shows. One of my favorite moments was when Hatebreed started playing "Live for This", and the whole crowd just crunched forward and opened up into a HUGE mosh pit. I was pretty damn sore the next day, but it was worth it. Also, screaming along for the entire show tends to make one lose their voice the next day.
Also, just completely rocking out at the Static-X concert was insane.
I don't think it's talentless at all. When people say that, I think it's just because they can't get past the screaming.
Some of my favorite bands (and my favorite songs):
Static-X - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZveEyg_GmQ
Mudvayne
Testament - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udSe5GGWz04
Hatebreed
Project 86 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFNsJ5T3laY
Ensiferum - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cJ3k7yTNqk
Spineshank (If you like screaming, pounding, totally aggressive industrial metal, you HAVE to listen to Spineshank) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hogT2Varibg
I don't like death metal, and I don't like anything that sounds too emo. I used to like it but it got old really fast, and now as soon as I hear the voice I can't stand it. The closest to emo that I will go is probably Breaking Benjamin (they put on a damn good show with Three Days Grace).
It's one thing to listen to it on the CD, but it's a whole different experience to be there at the concert. I go to a lot of metal shows. One of my favorite moments was when Hatebreed started playing "Live for This", and the whole crowd just crunched forward and opened up into a HUGE mosh pit. I was pretty damn sore the next day, but it was worth it. Also, screaming along for the entire show tends to make one lose their voice the next day.
Also, just completely rocking out at the Static-X concert was insane.
I don't think it's talentless at all. When people say that, I think it's just because they can't get past the screaming.
It's not just talentless crap it definitely takes skill...and willingness to hurt your vocal cords badly.
I love music with screaming. Who likes Impaled Nazarene?