Music elitism

[YoungWriter]

So, as I have noticed (as I have on many boards), a few or many people believe their opinions are gospel to others. You have a right to an opinion, and a right to a constructive debate, but just saying things like "You can't spell crap without rap" is dumb.

I'm a fan of all sorts of music, with the sole exceptions being world and country music. I like Linkin Park, Creed, BB King, Eric Clapton, Beasite Boys, Outkast, Run DMC, LL Cool J, Usher, Foo Fighters, Nirvana, Aretha Franklin, and on and on. Thats not to say I don't dislike some bands, but even bands I used to despise (Pearl Jam) I've come around to liking.

I've been hasseled at local punk rock clubs for wearing my Static-X shirt, gotten death threat stares for wearing my Matchbox Twenty shirt at a Third Eye Blind concert, and been called a "music whore" at the Smashing Pumpkins postboard.

I'm not asking people to like all kinds of music, or even pay attention to them, just accept them that they exist instead, and move on. I despise it when someone asks if they like [insert band here] and someone comes in, says "lead singer can suck my dick", and theres a war. If your gonna state you dislike a band, at least make an intelligent opinion, instead of a sentence any racist moronic bigot could make in 30 seconds.

Quite often, a person registers on a message board just to trash the band. They get banned eventually, but it gets annoying. I don't like Hanson, but I've never gone to their postboard to trash their band.

Okay, theres my lil rant.

 

[Pollux V]

I agree wholeheartedly. Is this your first rant (or are you an alternate profile)? Welcome to sciforums.

 

[YoungWriter]

First rant, and first created thread

 

[Pollux V]

Congratulations.

(forrest gump voice) and that's all I have to say about that.

 

[Thor]

What a damn good start. Well done. I can wait to read your future stuff.

Anyway, I agree with it

It doesn't matter what music you like as long as its not the Spice Girls

 

[YoungWriter]

Originally posted by Thor
What a damn good start. Well done. I can wait to read your future stuff.

Anyway, I agree with it

It doesn't matter what music you like as long as its not the Spice Girls

I consider that an insult man. I challenge you to a duel! Supersoakers at dawn tomorrow.

Edit: look at the "I can wait to read your future stuff" is what I meant in case you didnt get it.

 

[You Killed Jesus]

Most people listen to shit, it's a known fact.

I'm a fan of all sorts of music, with the sole exceptions being world and country music. I like Linkin Park, Creed, BB King, Eric Clapton, Beasite Boys, Outkast, Run DMC, LL Cool J, Usher, Foo Fighters, Nirvana, Aretha Franklin, and on and on. Thats not to say I don't dislike some bands, but even bands I used to despise (Pearl Jam) I've come around to liking.

So in other words, you like whatever is put in front of you? (barring country of course)

 

[Pollux V]

Youngwriter,

Head on over to Site Feedback and fill out the Demographics survey, if you intend to become an *ahem* avid member. Or if you're just bored with my nonsense.

 

[Tyler]

I assume your early comments refer to a recent thread I made about rock and roll. You have to get to understand my style on art. (Just so that you know - The Beatles are not pop-rock. Their early stuff, and some of Paul's later stuff (and all his solo stuff) is, but the majority of their later music is either rock, blues-rock or psychadelia). I'm very, very strict about naming certain things. I refuse to call Creed rock and roll, because thats an insult to the genre.

Anyway, about music elitism. Some music is crap. It has unoriginal, simplistic guitar and bass work and features empty, meaningless, often ridiculously stupid lyrics.

Lyrics are often what kills it for me with a group. P.O.D. is a perfect example. "We are, we are....youth of nation". This is a group that takes it's self faaaaaaaaaaar too seriously. Ever notice that? Some bands write lyrics that have been said a million and a half time and then consider themselves bloody brilliant, like their the next Dylan? These people piss the hell out of me.

 

[Thor]

I don't like Hanson, but I've never gone to their postboard to trash their band.

Been there


Supersoakers it is. 10 paces?

Whoops, thats a typo. Nevermind, I'll have to decide whether to change it later

 

[Xev]

Just so that you know - The Beatles are not pop-rock.

In other news, there is peace in the mid-east, G.W Bush is a master of the English language, and Avril Lavange is no longer polluting the airwaves.

Quite often, a person registers on a message board just to trash the band. They get banned eventually, but it gets annoying. I don't like Hanson, but I've never gone to their postboard to trash their band.

It's fun! Trolling rules!

Anyways, people have to argue about something, or life would get boring fast. When you're a complete whore for music, you get passionate about these things.

 

[Tyler]

Give a listen to:

She Said, She Said (psychadelia. actually, this song is from John's first acid trip)
Tomorrow Never Knows (pure psychadelia)
A Day in the Life (ditto)
Actually, you know what, the entirety of Magical Mystery Tour and Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - every song is either psychadelia (mainly the lennon stuff), rock (the lennon-mccartney stuff) or pure pop (mccartney). Most of McCartney's stuff from that I wouldn't even call pop-rock, it's just pop.
While My Guitar Gently Weeps (I cant imagine calling this pop-rock unless you consider Eric Clapton pop-rock)
Hapiness Is A Warm Gun
I'm So Tired
Why Don't We Just Do It In the Road
Yer Blues
Helter Skelter
Come Together
Oh! Darling
I Want You (She's So Heavy)
The End
Get Back

To name a few.....
for the umpteen millionth time in this debate.

 

[spookz]

i know exactly what you mean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cant count the times i was beaten up for wearing my abba t

abba rulz!!!

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when I kissed the teacher

Everybody screamed when I kissed the teacher
And they must have thought they dreamed when I kissed the teacher
All my friends at school
They had never seen the teacher blush, he looked like a fool
Nearly petrified 'cos he was taken by surprise
When I kissed the teacher
Couldn't quite believe his eyes, when I kissed the teacher
My whole class went wild
As I held my breath, the world stood still, but then he just smiled
I was in the seventh heaven when I kissed the teacher

One of these days
Gonna tell him I dream of him every night
One of these days
Gonna show him I care, gonna teach him a lesson alright

I was in a trance when I kissed the teacher
Suddenly I took the chance when I kissed the teacher
Leaning over me, he was trying to explain the laws of geometry
And I couldn't help it, I just had to kiss the teacher

One of these days
Gonna tell him I dream of him every night
One of these days
Gonna show him I care, gonna teach him a lesson alright

 

[Xev]

*Giggles at Tyler*

You know I do this just to piss you off, right?

 

[YoungWriter]

Originally posted by You Killed Jesus
Most people listen to shit, it's a known fact.



So in other words, you like whatever is put in front of you? (barring country of course)

Actually, much of my music I discovered on my own. I didn't listen to Nirvana until '99. BB king, Beasite Boys, Run DMC, Eric Clapton, I've all gotten into quite recently.

No, I consider Clapton a blues and rock guitarist, but mostly blues.

I never gave a listen to early Beatles, but by the time they broke up, you could almost tell what a Beatles album would sound like. I much perfer their respective solo careers than the Beatles catalog. I honestly have tried getting into the Beatles. Although Don't let me down, ob la di ob la da, and Let it Be are great songs, nothing else really grabs me.

I much perfer harder, faster classic rock like Led Zep, Jimi Hendrix, and Ramones stuff (even though they aren't technically classic rock).

That one George HArrison song, damn, I can't remember the name, but something about the sun. That is a damn good song.

You killed Jesus, you would go great at www.hole.com message board. One big bitch fest

 

[Tyler]

"I never gave a listen to early Beatles, but by the time they broke up, you could almost tell what a Beatles album would sound like."

Really? They went from pure psychadelia with Sgt Pepper/Magical Mystery Tour to blues-rock, classic rock and mccartney's pop with White Album and then all the way back to regular rock with Abbey Road. And before that was pop-rock/psychadelia-rock with Revolver. All the while having Eastern music thrown into the mix at some points. In fact, after Rubber Soul the Beatles seemed to change their style between each album besides Mystery/Sgt. Pepper.


"Although Don't let me down, ob la di ob la da, and Let it Be are great songs, nothing else really grabs me."

Don't Let Me Down is a decent song, ob la is pure pop and Let it Be is classic soft-McCartney. To be honest, neither are among my top Beatles' songs.


"I much perfer harder, faster classic rock like Led Zep, Jimi Hendrix, and Ramones stuff (even though they aren't technically classic rock)."

Zepplin has little great trippy stuff, but tons of great rock. Hendris is, well, Hendrix and the Ramones are the godfathers of punk.


"That one George HArrison song, damn, I can't remember the name, but something about the sun. That is a damn good song."

Here Comes the Sun - it's from Abbey Road.

 

[goofyfish]

If you like bands more than 5 people have heard of you’re a trendy bitch.

I find this particular type of elitism particularly annoying when someone tries to enhance their own bruised ego by whining outdated and intellectually barren comments. While I certainly don't have any problem with someone venturing an opinion about how good/bad a particular group is, I think it is incredibly pretentious for anyone to try and ram their down someone else's throat.

I have an acquaintance who has, amazingly enough, a collection of music larger than my own. He continually spews this crap that larger a person's collection, the more they know about music. Piffle. Merely listening to CDs makes you no more of an expert on things musical than watching cars on the freeway would make you an expert driver.

You want musical elitists? Go and visit alt.music.techno. “You can't be a REAL techno fan unless all your music is on vinyl” basically sums it up.

Welcome to SciForums, YoungWriter.

Peace.

And dare I suggest Music Whore as a great band name?
Heheh, music whore… she’ll do you for a song!

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It takes 20 years or more of peace to make a man;
it takes only 20 seconds of war to destroy him.

• -- King Boudewijn I, King of Belgium (1934-1993)

 

[ChristCrusher]

typical zog-leftist bullshit.

1
quality exists independent of perception, it is a real objective, not an abstract subjective.

2
open-mindedness is inherently produced by lack of 'vision'.

 

[pragmathen]

Right on ...

<b>goofyfish</b>, I agree wholeheartedly (the same with <b>Youngwriter</b>).

If you like bands more than 5 people have heard of you’re a trendy bitch.

This sums the elitists up completely. Besides, it seems that posters like ChristCrusher are far more predictable as to what they listen to than those that say they listen to a wide range of pop-type music. At least the latter tend to open their horizons a little instead of holing themselves away in their boxes with their earphones plastered to their heads listening to the same drivel day-in, day-out.

While I may consider myself pretty tolerant of most types of music genres, I'm really near the core of an onion. And people like <b>goofyfish</b> are near the outer layers.

It seems music elitists laugh and jeer at what bands others haven't heard of, much less been exposed to. I'm pretty sure that 95% of the stuff coming out of Seattle I won't ever hear, but it doesn't mean I'm an ignorant zog-infested moron because I don't have access to it.

Insecurity manifests itself in many ways, but laughing and pointing fingers is only the most obvious.

Thanks!

prag

 

[spookz]

bang your head to this christcrusher