Ms Rowling: insightful critic of gender policy or myopic [insult]

Things do seem to dogmatize. Especially when intellectuals take such issues up in their castles without talking with anyone down on Main Street. The street level emotional reactions to seeing a pair of hairy legs in the stall next to yours, or male giblets flopping around in the ladies dressing/locker room, or a trans female scooping up all the trophies at the girls track meet, are all vaulted over by the idealist in the tower.
Agreed. But by the same token, the uninformed zealot believes that "male giblets flopping around in the ladies locker room" and the "trans female scooping up all the trophies at the girls track meet" are so common as to be a huge risk. Such people have likely met several trans people in real life, but the trans person has wisely not come out to the zealot.

Why this reform can't somehow include some private stalls for the "un-opped" trans folk
?? It does. Here in California, in new construction there is almost always a "family bathroom" separate from the rest, for anything from changing diapers to a father taking his daughter to the bathroom to trans people who do not want to use regular bathrooms. At our brewery we just avoided the whole issue by labeling bathrooms "stand" or "sit."

When I first learned about transgender, fifty years ago, it was in a social climate where I could say "ewwwww!"

I still think it's "ewww." I feel the same about facial piercings and tattoos. But just because it's not for me does not mean that it does not work for other people.

And TBH there's still the lingering feeling that embracing one's inner gender doesn't have to necessarily be asserted by means of costly medical interventions
Agreed 100%. That's where much of the angst is directed nowadays, though.
 
Agreed. But by the same token, the uninformed zealot believes that "male giblets flopping around in the ladies locker room" and the "trans female scooping up all the trophies at the girls track meet" are so common as to be a huge risk. Such people have likely met several trans people in real life, but the trans person has wisely not come out to the zealot.
Throughout the entirety of my adult lifetime, I've always known at least a few trans people--and I don't think they just started appearing out of nowhere in '90s. And as a lifelong aficianado of exploitation cinema (and also Wendy Carlos), it was on my radar at least even as a child (also, incidentally, so-called "exploitation cinema" is very often much more sympathetic to progressive causes than the mainstream and there is often a quite unexpected subversive element to it, but that's another subject). The people I've known were always pretty open about it, but mostly when they were in the right company--everyone's got a survival instinct.

I remember thinking of the whole Kaitlin Jenner thing 10-15 years back that they could't have come up with a worse posterchild for a cause: a quite wealthy person who transitioned much later in life--thereby avoiding the challenges facing younger women and women in the 70s/80s/90s--and who excelled in sports and who was also rather an asshole. The "they" above, of course, not being trans people, but rather the mainstream media.
 
No. It's not plain and simple. It's nuanced and there is a lot of different areas.
The thing is, Rowling will on one occasion express what seems to be a reasonable, albeit perhaps misguided, concern, but then on another she will just say something ignorant and bigoted. In such instances as that, where I'm to suss another's viewpoint from a selection of things they've said and done, I'm gonna figure that the ignorant and bigoted remarks are more representative of her actual views.
 
And my mind is not at all made up re Rowling's actual views on transgender. I started the thread in order to learn something and offer a couple posters who had clashed on the matter a venue for discussion.

And that's the part that is hard to believe.

So let's just try this one again: Does nobody remember the bit where Rowling started deleting defamatory social media postings after starring in a very public harassment campaign against a female athlete for not being ladylike enough?

The idea that Sciforums is where people finally learn about something that has been going on in the public eye for years is kind of strange. Moreover, the idea that people can't learn something unless someone else tells them should be just silly.

Think of it this way: Even in this thread, an apparent lack of information is the most powerful tool people have to defend J.K. Rowling; they might have strong feelings, but it turns out they just don't know what's going on.

Consider something one of our neighbors said:

What I resent - and therefore resist - is the extremely shrill campaigning pressure that denigrates people who remain deeply uncomfortable about some of this and tries to frogmarch them into unquestioning acceptance that an apparent man in women's clothing should be called a woman and accepted as such. I think Rowling articulates what many people feel about this.

If they ask me to burn a witch, I will refuse. If they ask again, next year, I will refuse. If they insist, the year after that, I will refuse. And there will always be someone to resents how refusal denigrates people who remain deeply uncomfortable about not burning witches and tries to frogmarch them into unquestioning acceptance.

This is a common turn of rhetoric, and keeps showing up as a tell.

Please consider that we were already fifteen years into the question when Rowling pitched her fit last year:

In a recent legal battle that has captured international attention, Imane Khelif, the Algerian boxer who clinched gold in the women's welterweight category at the Paris Olympics, has taken legal action against several high-profile figures, including JK Rowling, Elon Musk, and Donald Trump. Khelif's lawsuit centers around allegations of cyber harassment and claims that these public figures have perpetuated online abuse fueled by transphobia.

The controversy erupted after Khelif's bout against Italy's Angela Carini during the Olympics. Shortly into their match, Carini withdrew, alleging that Khelif's punches were unusually forceful. This led to a barrage of online attacks accusing Khelif of being transgender, despite her being born female and not identifying as transgender or intersex. The International Olympic Committee has supported Khelif, stating that "scientifically, this is not a man fighting a woman"

Amidst the swirling controversy, JK Rowling, the renowned author of the Harry Potter series, found herself embroiled in the dispute. Rowling, known for her outspoken views on gender and sex, had shared posts on X (formerly Twitter) that criticized Khelif.

In one tweet, Rowling shared a picture of Khelif's fight with Carini, implying that Khelif was a man taking pleasure in hurting a woman. Following the lawsuit, Rowling removed many of her posts related to Khelif from her X account, a move interpreted by some as an attempt to reduce her online presence and avoid further scrutiny. Despite this, some of Rowling's retweets remain visible, including one related to another controversy involving Taiwanese athlete Lin Yu-ting.

Elon Musk, the CEO of X, also became a focal point in the dispute. Musk shared a post by swimmer Riley Gaines, which criticized the inclusion of transgender women in female sports. Musk supported the post with a comment of agreement, "Absolutely" Meanwhile, Donald Trump joined the fray by posting an image from Khelif's fight with Carini and voicing his stance on keeping "men out of women's sports"


(The Statesman)

Interestingly, the Newsweek telling describes Rowling breaking silence and speaking out and marking her return after being named in a lawsuit, but says nothing of Rowling's attempt to cover her tracks. To be fair, the headline also observes that she renewed her attacks against Imane Khelif, so it's a mixed bag that, journalistically, captures the implicit prejudices of a view from nowhere.

The punch line among community allies goes, "Five hundred track meets over several years later, a trans girl finally wins one event, so now we have to pass a law to make sure it doesn't happen again."

But even before that, the attitude was such that born women should be chemically restrained from becoming too good at any sport. Or have we all forgotten Caster Semenya?

Oh, I see:

Why this reform can't somehow include some private stalls for the "un-opped" trans folk is a question for the Left to receive graciously, and I see that as why Rowling keeps pecking away at the notion that just donning a dress and claiming a pinkish brain gets you into the locker room or powder room.

There it is.

So, here's the thing↗:

Think back to Kansas and creationism, Texas and history, the transpartisan PMRC, Pledge of Allegiance, Commandments in classrooms, tolerance of terrorism; these days its Florida and Texas, Christian nationalists, any number of industrialists, and even Harry Potter fan fiction.

If, in history, we might agree there are religious extremists of a particular sort, it sometimes becomes necessary to consider the oppositional argument that simply disdains the religion, but not the extremism, and even quietly disdains the thought that something is extremist. In this way, especially, politics raises strange bedfellows. To wit, one need not be explicitly religious to be a terf or pilled masculinist, but if there's one belief terfs, masculinists, and Christian nationalists (and even actual Nazis) all share, it's the proper place of a woman.

This is an important circumstance to note, because another commonality among those and other beliefs is that at some point, they require redefinition of words in order to maintain their argument.

And if this is what, say, the Christians needed in order to advocate creationism as science, it's also what they need in order to object to oral contraception and IUDs, but that's right about the point where some ostensibly nonreligious folks who have particular beliefs and expectations about the place of a woman soften up on pseudoscience. That's an example of why some people end up blaming liberals for forcing them to support fascism ....

.... Why others might play along is its own question and pathology, but it really does seem the common attraction is a perception of empowerment. It would thus seem an important circumstance to observe, that a narrative should require redefinition of the terminology.

With medicine, words have certain definitions because other asserted meanings introduce imprecision and inconsistency. Similarly, the science and math are pretty straightforward, and somewhere between the armchair einsteins and the religio-pseudoscientists decoding scriptures in search of the real truth, some otherwise seemingly normal people will feel empowered by rarefied definitions that cannot be applied consistently, but justify personal gratification.

And, yeah, that's how the Cass Report ends up a debacle, or we have weird American episodes with medical workers and even doctors breaking protocol as if whitsleblowers in order to lie about children's health care; the Trump administration just dropped charges against one of them for releasing children's medical information to conservative activists.

We need to change professional standards and even medical definitions in order to accommodate their argument, which, in turn, is not simply about "some private stalls for the 'un-opped' trans folk". This has been about literally regulating womanhood, such that cisgender women who don't meet the standard are expected to chemically constrain themselves until people like Rowling are satisfied, for a while now.

And, so, what's this? Another soft launch? Oh, imagine that, they need another mulligan. Why can't "the Left" "graciously" receive this swindle? Why can't the Right simply be honest? Why rebrand and relaunch? Who are they trying to fool? Why is the only fair thing to do that we should ignore history in order to give superstition another go?

I get it, I can repeat myself however many times, and it's simply not going to sway the antiscientific. We've been through this many times before; the anti-gay version ended up with the organziation founder getting caught hiring a gay escort.
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"JK Rowling deletes transphobic tweets amid lawsuit by Olympic boxer Imane Khelif". The Statesman. 22 August 2024. TheStatesman.com. 13 March 2025. https://www.thestatesman.com/entert...by-olympic-boxer-imane-khelif-1503334507.html

Power, Shannon. "JK Rowling Breaks Silence After Lawsuit, Renews Attack on Imane Khelif". Newsweek. 23 August 2024. Newsweek.com. 13 March 2025. https://www.newsweek.com/jk-rowling-imane-khelif-lawsuit-twitter-1943502
 
The idea that Sciforums is where people finally learn about something that has been going on in the public eye for years is kind of strange. Moreover, the idea that people can't learn something unless someone else tells them should be just silly

One can have partial learning of an issue (that whole having a busy life can't get to everything thing) and be motivated by a forum topic to start reading further on it. The second sentence of your quote applies to literally no one here. As for your meanders on religious extremism, not sure that's particularly relevant to Rowling's views, but okay.

Also, no disagreement that trans girls winning track meets is a rare event. It's not something I'm personally concerned about. But media tend to focus on the rare, amplify it, and if there's a perceived issue of fairness that story gets a lot of mileage. People tend to latch onto rare events that have some aspect they feel anxious about, and sometimes see it as the start of a trend (i.e. less rare in the future, if more choose gender reassignment or affirmation or whatever term you prefer). I don't have a dog in that fight, just hope some cooler heads can figure out if male-at-birth generally confers more fast-twitch muscle fibers, lung capacity, or other factors that would give decisive advantages. Chemical constraint, as you put it, seems like a poor solution (Harrison Bergeron ish?). Some people are concerned about fairness to cis girls, but not out of some religious or transphobic mindset. Sports fans will argue for years over a playing field that's tilted by one micron. I note this as a former Red Sox fan.
 
One can have partial learning of an issue (that whole having a busy life can't get to everything thing) and be motivated by a forum topic to start reading further on it. The second sentence of your quote applies to literally no one here. As for your meanders on religious extremism, not sure that's particularly relevant to Rowling's views, but okay.

Also, no disagreement that trans girls winning track meets is a rare event. It's not something I'm personally concerned about. But media tend to focus on the rare, amplify it, and if there's a perceived issue of fairness that story gets a lot of mileage. People tend to latch onto rare events that have some aspect they feel anxious about, and sometimes see it as the start of a trend (i.e. less rare in the future, if more choose gender reassignment or affirmation or whatever term you prefer). I don't have a dog in that fight, just hope some cooler heads can figure out if male-at-birth generally confers more fast-twitch muscle fibers, lung capacity, or other factors that would give decisive advantages. Chemical constraint, as you put it, seems like a poor solution (Harrison Bergeron ish?). Some people are concerned about fairness to cis girls, but not out of some religious or transphobic mindset. Sports fans will argue for years over a playing field that's tilted by one micron. I note this as a former Red Sox fan.
There is no question that in sports requiring strength men will perform better than women. Just look at the times in rowing events. I've always been a strong supporter of women's rowing and have spent some time coaching and coxing women's boats. But they are not going to be as fast. A transwoman sculler would therefore be expected to beat a woman sculler of equal technical competence and fitness. Pretty tough if you are the woman who comes up against one.
 
There is no question that in sports requiring strength men will perform better than women. Just look at the times in rowing events. I've always been a strong supporter of women's rowing and have spent some time coaching and coxing women's boats. But they are not going to be as fast. A transwoman sculler would therefore be expected to beat a woman sculler of equal technical competence and fitness. Pretty tough if you are the woman who comes up against one.
I think there are things to discuss.

Education of children w.r.t. sex and gender.
Medical care of children w.r.t. gender dysphoria.
Issues relating to J.K Rowling's comments, women's rights and how that sits with trans rights. (putting a pin on the question of her being a bigot)
Sports and inclusion of w.r.t. trans community.
Terminology in general parlance w.r.t. trans points.

The first two are easy, I don't know because I am not a child educational expert, child psychologist or pediatrician. A discussion there should be based on the available published scientific literature which I have not read.

Womens rights are closer to home because I know a lot, work with a stack and it is handy to know how women discuss these things. Age range is 23-55.
Too long to get into all but a negative view of the women space point, toilets and changing rooms.

Sports I know something about and I have strong views on that.

Terminology wise, views also. Probably the first thing that came into my life on all of this and where these discussions started for me.
 
I've always been a strong supporter of women's rowing and have spent some time coaching and coxing women's boats.
Is it my understanding that the cox must never stand in a women's boat?

(showing myself out now....)
 
Is it my understanding that the cox must never stand in a women's boat?

(showing myself out now....)
I did once cox a women’s boat in which the stroke was so gorgeous that I was grateful to be wearing roomy lower garments. But that was before the outing got under way. Once the blades were in the water, professional technical interest took over.
 
Chemical constraint, as you put it, seems like a poor solution (Harrison Bergeron ish?). Some people are concerned about fairness to cis girls, but not out of some religious or transphobic mindset. Sports fans will argue for years over a playing field that's tilted by one micron. I note this as a former Red Sox fan.

Let me make sure I understand what you're telling me: Some people are so concerned about fairness to cis women as to chemically constrain them.

At the point they're so concerned about cis girls as to require their chemical constraint, go ahead and tell me it's "not out of some religious or transphobic mindset", but it's clearly misogynist.

There's a reason your silence on Khelif and Semanya stands out. To be clear, it's because of your implication that people treated them so poorly out of concern for them.

And, please, note your language: "Chemical constraint, as you put it". How, then, would you put it when the rule is to banish a cisgender woman from competing in a sport unless she takes drugs to disrupt her performance?

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How about, let's try chess: Why, per FIDE rules, is being female an unfair disadvantage? Before this, the purpose of a women's chess league was to encourage women's participation. But now, FIDE has decided that being male confers inherent unfair advantage when playing chess against a woman.¹ So, maybe you could explain how concern for cis girls once again comes to assert the inherent inferiority of females?

You don't have a dog in that fight? And, yet, you're in it, doing your part.
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¹ Nobody understands the men's side of the rule, which implicitly validates transgender by retroactive application.​
 
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Now understand why Pinball starts swearing at you. And chess has sweet fuck all to do with the topic - it's a board game, so I would say it's absurd to have any gender rules or categories at all. Ok?

I didn't comment on Semenya because that's a tangential topic and I'm trying to keep some focus. I was saying that some who want regulations on trans women (i.e. former males with male musculoskeletal systems) are looking at it from a sports perspective, not a religious one. The same people who might question having a team member on steroids or other PEDs. You seem to be under the false impression I was excusing religious bigots. I wasn't.
 
… people have agency, a degree of self-awareness, and some sort of sense of responsibility--whether that is simply to themselves, or it includes others, is entirely dependent upon entertaining the idea that most Americans are some sort of Christian or humanist, and that those terms have any sort of meaning whatsoever.

It's not quite pathos versus solipsism, but my American cynicism won't let go of the how and why. So, let's start with a Boomer joke, because it's their fault. The grumpy old men of yesteryear really were right about something: The moral relativism they worried about, that thin edge driving between people and tearing the fabric of society, really was dangerous, but, kind of like pop songs, the danger was something they were raising up in their progeny.

And while it's not really exclusively a Boomer thing, there are actual market forces to account for, and it is undeniable that given such impetus it is possible to habitualize market demands as praxis. It's like watching that Japanese show following young children running errands in the city; when Americans see it, we put on a pretense of mortification, but it's laced through with fascination, and you can, in that American way, discern that some are actually jealous. Once upon a time, for instance, the word "latchkey" suggested a communal, even societal, problem. Our solution was to tell children to do better and be more responsible while the folks are away. By contrast, I wonder how many of our neighbors at Sciforums understand the meaning of the phrase, "Beavis & Butthead 'fire' episodes".

Still, in 2011, conservatives rolled completely. After all the lawsuits against music and musicians, after all the book and record burnings, after all the complaint about the dangers of movies and music and literature, suddenly, no, there is no way calling people enemies, marking their locations on maps with crosshairs, and threatening "Second Amendment solutions" could possibly have influenced anyone toward actually shooting anybody.

Expectations of integrity are customary and reinforced by example. The contrast I describe presumes a modicum of good faith. To wit, when parents fretted and wrung their hands about music lyrics and such, it was easy enough to presume good faith. Hindsight, and the suggestion that the traditional-values bloc never did figure it out, makes a compelling argument toward accepting that the cruelty was the point↗.

Several years ago, actor Wallace Shawn suggested↗:

The fact that the leader of one of our two parties—the party, in fact, that has for many decades represented what was normal, acceptable, and respectable—was not ashamed to reveal his own selfishness, was not ashamed to reveal his own indifference to the suffering of others, was not even ashamed to reveal his own cheerful enjoyment of cruelty … all of this helped people to feel that they no longer needed to be ashamed of those qualities in themselves either. They didn't need to feel bad because they didn't care about other people. Maybe they didn't want to be forbearing toward enemies. Maybe they didn't want to be gentle or kind.

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There are, in history, any number of discussions in which validity depends entirely on reliability; this is a vital component of good faith. Consider a basic, abstract proposition: If, then.

While we Americans have a saying that justice delayed is justice denied, it is also true that the integrity of this discussion, a chain of ifs and thens, became the justification of delay. The American historical tale is complicated and maybe even incomprehensible from half a world away, while on the home front, much traditional empowerment has fallen to disrepair, only able to sustain itself on grift and bad faith.

One example is Roper v. Simmons. Our neighbors abroad probably wouldn't know the backstory, and even American conservatives have long since abandoned their public-square bawl about liberal judicial activism legislating from the bench. Roper is a 2005 landmark for capital punishment, refusing to execute people who were juveniles at the time of their offense. It's also the last time I recall hearing the liberal judicial activism and legislating from the bench argument at a certain level of discourse, and the Roberts court has pretty much humiliated the old conservative lamentation to death.

But here's the thing about Roper: SCOTUS didn't pioneer the decision, but in this act of alleged liberal activism affirmed one of the most conservative courts in the nation. Roper, as such, is the warden, appealing for permission to kill Simmons. Convicted killer Simmons, by contrast, had already won his case against his death sentence, in the Supreme Court of Missouri.

Yes, the case did involve certain abstract, liberal-seeming standards, but traditionalist and conservative outcomes had previously relied on similar comparative considerations; the courts couldn't just arbitrarily throw them out. Of the old and new, we see the science informing differently↑ than prevailing superstition↑; it wasn't just changing comparative mores that moved the Court at Jefferson City, but also actual medical science having to do with juvenile brain development.

Of science itself, the ifs and thens tend to be of a more definitive sort than those in historical, legal, and political discourse, but as such, deviation for the sake superstition and aesthetic is even more problematic. Kansas and creationism, for instance. Christians and contraception. To deviate from the reliable results of science in order to redefine words to suit the aesthetic fancies of political behavior would pretty much defeat the purpose of science.

It wasn't just abortion, but the Pill and IUDs. If we willing to medically redefine conception in order to accommodate them, there is also the question of what it means if we do. Much like it's not just about creationism, but whether we are to concede the unreliability of chemistry and physics.

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A short form: It's about empowerment, but they can't tell the difference. Whether the Lord punishes to the fourth and fifth generations, or maybe it's just that cruelty begets cruelty, one of the driving factors is a particular self-orientation: 「[That] is not wrong because it's also what I want.」

It's a basic temptation, and evident. Here are some times when it will wreck lives: Judges, lawyers, police officers, bankers, doctors, pharmacists, company executives, teachers, clergy, psychotherapists, "life coaches", employers.

It's also why the traditional empowerment majority fears minorities so much. That is, sure, it's not precisely pathos versus solipsism, but while the victims of history are supposed to be smart enough to understand that an eye for an eye leaves everybody blind, the reason the cruel cannot countenance the implications of such expectation is that they either cannot or will not recognize the reality that anybody actually could. Kind of like Griffith's Birth of a Nation juxtaposed with Bradbury's "The Other Foot". They can't imagine the Coloreds, the Women, or the Infidels behaving any differently. If those traditionalists fear such tyranny, it is because that is how they would do it; they project their own ethic onto others, who are already presumed inferior, so the result they foresee can only be terrible, and somehow we've come around to traditionalists demanding the deportation of born Americans for being Christian.

This is as straightforward as it gets: Constraining women for the sake of freedom, for instance, is apparently very, very Christian, but the actual Beatitudes of Christ are excommunicably un-Christian.

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And when it comes to constraining women, well, it really is that important to some people. People always think that's some sort of sweeping generalization, but it's also a reflection of the core argument. For instance, we take no pleasure in the prospect that our international neighbors might sleep fitfully because of all this, and, sure, yeah, we're very, very sorry about what our fellow Americans are doing, but that doesn't settle the question of what we might say to those people if it happens to be that their American equivalent, that is, people like them, are the reason all this is happening.

i.e., If they ask me to burn a witch, I will refuse, and so on↗. It is because we refuse to burn the witches that these people resent, and therefore resist, the extremely shrill↗ way in which they are being told no, they cannot burn the witches, for the -nth time.

And for some, just to illustrate, sure, it's one thing if religious people want to redefine science, but maybe the problem was religion, because when it comes to redefining science for the sake of feeling good about harming other people, some just don't see it as wrong because it is what they want for themselves.
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Shawn, Wallace. "Developments Since My Birth". The New York Review of Books. 27 October 2020. NYBooks.com. 4 March 2025. https://bit.ly/31LMAhV
 
Whoops, wrong thread. Oh, well.

(Phuck.)

(On edit: Never mind, it applies here, too.)
 
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Now understand why Pinball starts swearing at you.

Of course you do.

And chess has sweet fuck all to do with the topic - it's a board game, so I would say it's absurd to have any gender rules or categories at all. Ok?

Why is reality so disqualified?

In recent months, the discussion surrounding transgender participation in sports has intensified. Several sports organizations have ruled that transgender women cannot participate in their competitions. This trend has expanded beyond traditional sports like swimming, touching even disc golf and billiards, based on perceived “advantages” of transgender athletes. The reaction to trans people in competition has grown to include non-sporting contests like beauty pageants and Jeopardy! after seeing transgender success. Now, FIDE, the world's foremost international chess organization, has introduced guidelines that would revoke titles from transgender men and bar many transgender women from competing, asserting that trans women "have no right to participate.”

The regulations, reported online by French transgender FIDE master, Yosha Iglesias, spell out a list of policy changes that apply to transgender competition in chess. Among the policy changes:

• Transgender men must relinquish their women-category titles after transitioning.
• Transgender women can keep their previous titles.
• Transgender women have “no right to compete” in the women's division.
• Transgender women will be “evaluated” by the FIDE Council on if they will be allowed to compete in a process that may take up to 2 years.
• FIDE can mark transgender players as “transgender” in their files.
• Gender changes must be “comply with the player's national laws” and may include birth certificate documents (despite many nations refusing to change transgender birth certificates)​

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I didn't comment on Semenya because that's a tangential topic and I'm trying to keep some focus. I was saying that some who want regulations on trans women (i.e. former males with male musculoskeletal systems) are looking at it from a sports perspective, not a religious one. The same people who might question having a team member on steroids or other PEDs. You seem to be under the false impression I was excusing religious bigots. I wasn't.

Let's clarify: You said↑, "Chemical constraint, as you put it, seems like a poor solution (Harrison Bergeron ish?)" and the apparent hole in your rhetoric is that you don't recognize it was the actual rule in effect (IAAF, 2019), and World Athletics↱ is ready to ban her regardless of any suppressive therapy. But you're not going to comment on the actual real standard because reality is somehow tangential ("I didn't comment on Semenya because that's a tangential topic"). So, again, why is reality so disqualified?

Is it because facts inform differently than your superstition?

Hiding behind "a sports perspective" and "sports fans" is is just an evasion. So, of the "the false impression [you were] excusing religious bigots", I should further clarify:

If, in history, we might agree there are religious extremists of a particular sort, it sometimes becomes necessary to consider the oppositional argument that simply disdains the religion, but not the extremism, and even quietly disdains the thought that something is extremist. In this way, especially, politics raises strange bedfellows. To wit, one need not be explicitly religious to be a terf or pilled masculinist, but if there's one belief terfs, masculinists, and Christian nationalists (and even actual Nazis) all share, it's the proper place of a woman. (#46↑)

With medicine, words have certain definitions because other asserted meanings introduce imprecision and inconsistency. Similarly, the science and math are pretty straightforward, and somewhere between the armchair einsteins and the religio-pseudoscientists decoding scriptures in search of the real truth, some otherwise seemingly normal people will feel empowered by rarefied definitions that cannot be applied consistently, but justify personal gratification. (ibid)

A short form: It's about empowerment, but they can't tell the difference. Whether the Lord punishes to the fourth and fifth generations, or maybe it's just that cruelty begets cruelty, one of the driving factors is a particular self-orientation: 「[That] is not wrong because it's also what I want.」 (#69↑)

And for some … sure, it's one thing if religious people want to redefine science, but maybe the problem was religion, because when it comes to redefining science for the sake of feeling good about harming other people, some just don't see it as wrong because it is what they want for themselves. (ibid)

We can say what we might about sports fans, but the more important point is that people should not behave like religious bigots.

Think of it this way: Do you similarly defend creationism? I mean, not as a religious thing, but maybe observing a parental context? Or, are you inclined against gay marriage, not as a religious thing, but just as a member of society who is worried about the children? Ask yourself at what point a scientist would abandon science. Oral contraception? Conversion therapy? Whether XX is enough to be allowed to be a woman? And as to sports fans, the science of hormone therapy is already in; in order to have a case, the terf argument set standards so tight that some cisgender women are disqualified for not being feminine enough.

Y'know, tangential.

Again, why is reality so disqualified?
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Notes:

Pells, Eddie. "Track's proposed eligibility, transgender rules would completely ban Semenya and others". Associated Press. 10 February 2025. APNews.com. 17 March 2025. https://apnews.com/article/transgender-semenya-track-364e7e6fc633d48c31b07049a873df26

Reed, Erin. "International Chess Org: Trans Women Have "No Right To Participate" In Women's Chess". Erin In The Morning. 16 August 2023. ErinInTheMorning.com. 17 March 2025. https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/international-chess-org-trans-women
 
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Barry Deutsch, Ampersand, 2 August 2021↱

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Two brief notes:

• The misogyny was just stupid, even back then.

• Observe Rowling's caricature ca. 2021, in Deutsch; that's about a year after the Harper's letter.​

Okay, just because:

• The bearded guy doing the man in a dress line is conservative social media celebrity Matt Walsh, who thinks women should be pregnant at sixteen↱ because something about peak fertility, advocates that his viewers get married before beginning adult life↱ because biological clocks (especially for women) are ticking, and believes arranged marriage↱ is the better way to go.​

Or was that too much?
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Notes:

@AriDrennen. "Matt Walsh, who defended teen pregnancy and called adolescence 'a modern plague,' says that arranged marriages are 'without a doubt, superior to our system...every person in the dating scene right now would be happier if they were just matched up with someone against their will.'" Twitter. 7 October 2022. X.com. 25 March 2025. status/1578419621803483138

—————. "Matt Walsh, whose comments defending teen pregnancy we reported yesterday, recommends that his viewers get married before building 'your adult life,' says 'our biological clocks are ticking, especially for women.'" Twitter. 5 October 2022. X.com. 25 March 2025. status/1577734230649585666

@theserfstv. "Matt Walsh advocates for the impregnation of girls as young as 16 because it's 'technically when they're at their most fertile' in a newly unearthed rant about how teenage pregnancy isn't 'the problem it's unwed pregnancy that's the problem in society'". Twitter. 4 October 2022. X.com. 25 March 2025. status/1577500016494903298
 
Oesophagus lofted in velvet celery, colorless green ideas sleep furiously.

Jean-Paul Sartre:

The [supremacist] has chosen hate because hate is a faith. At the outset he has chosen to devaluate words and reasons. How entirely at ease he feels as a result. How futile and frivolous discussions about the reality of his hatred appear to him. He has placed himself on other ground from the beginning. If out of courtesy he consents for someone to defend his point of view, he lends himself but does not give himself. He tries simply to project his intuitive certainty onto the plane of discourse .... Never believe the supremacists are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The supremacists have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. It is not that they are afraid of being convinced. They fear only to appear ridiculous or to prejudice by their embarrassment their hope of winning over some third person to their side.
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Notes:

Sartre, Jean-Paul. Anti-Semite and Jew. 1944. New York: Schocken Books, 1995.
 
Wow. Hey, since you clearly don't know the first thing about me, have chosen to utterly misinterpret my intentions and ideas, and seem hellbent on identifying me with groups antithetical to my left/socialist/humanist perspective, let's just not talk, okay? And, btw, my Chomsky reference (colorless green ideas) was very much about using words responsibly - it's unfortunate that it flew over your head. You might consider some candid self-reflection on how you yourself use walls of verbiage and quotes to dominate a discussion space and turn it into your blog, rather than exercise the social skills and empathy to tease out what other members words really mean and actually listen.
 
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