Ms Rowling: insightful critic of gender policy or myopic [insult]

The issue is saying something simply because it is true, even when it has little relevance to what is being discussed.
OK, I get that you perceive his remarks as a sort of sealioning, stating facts that are yoked to some undercurrent of disparagement or implicit bias. And you're right that I may have missed something in all the back-and-forth. I just can't shake the feeling that you are attributing attitudes to James that aren't there or aren't as harsh or bigoted as you're painting them. I'll let this go, but hope this thread can regain some focus on topic and less concern over what SF members said in the past or resurrecting feuds. I will be less pressed for time this weekend and will try to catch up on the recent UK SCt ruling that's been mentioned here.
 
Notice, Vat, that parmalee didn't provide a link to the irrelevant previous conversation that he quoted from. There's a reason for that. He wants you to take his word that his lies are true, rather than seeing the context.

parmalee can't stand that I didn't toe his line of "trans activism", so he has decided to go to town on me with lies and false accusations.

If you've been paying attention, you'll have noticed that parmalee has trouble remaining civil with anybody, not just with me. He lost his shit with foghorn. He lost his shit with Seattle. Now he's lost his shit with me. It keeps happening. Stick around for a while and I guarantee he'll lose his shit with you, too.
 
I will be less pressed for time this weekend and will try to catch up on the recent UK SCt ruling that's been mentioned here.
It was about how the sex of a person is defined for UK laws.
Suggest you take a look at the Court’s media release:
Background to the Appeal
The issue to be determined by the Supreme Court in this appeal is one of statutory
interpretation, namely the meaning of “man”, “woman” and “sex” in the Equality Act 2010
(“EA 2010”).
This appeal arose in response to the definition of the term “woman” in the Gender
Representation on Public Boards (Scotland) Act 2018 (“ASP 2018”) and associated statutory
guidance. . .

Judgment
The Supreme Court unanimously allows the appeal. It holds that the terms “man”, “woman”
and “sex” in the EA 2010 refer to biological sex. Lord Hodge, Lady Rose and Lady Simler give
a joint judgment, with which the other Justices agree...

And then the full account for the records.

Pretty wordy. Happy reading.
 
Notice, Vat, that parmalee didn't provide a link to the irrelevant previous conversation that he quoted from. There's a reason for that. He wants you to take his word that his lies are true, rather than seeing the context.
Notice how this guy lies incessantly. The conversation has been linked repeatedly. I have also established it's relevance to this thread. Repeatedly.

@ James: Notice the text that appears blue, not black--those are links.
 
Related development? Three days ago...

Despite controversy, HBO has confirmed bringing a Rowling product to the television screen. But surely it won't be an entirely faithful rendering of the Harry Potter books, as promised. Due to the service's juvenile need to monotonously deposit a variation of the F-word in literally every few sentences of any program's dialogue. (Imagine how vastly more tedious that will be to future audiences, when such will have no more shock-value than Mitt Romney repeatedly muttering "dang".)

Sorry, had to use the DailyWire article in order to nail down a precise view from HBO about Rowling, since apparently MSM won't touch toxic "positive" or "neutral" remarks like that (barring a desire to provoke punishment of HBO later on).

While The Hollywood Reporter did at least graze the issue ("Will viewers watch a show that creator J.K. Rowling — with her controversial anti-trans views?"), it provided little more than that. Note that even DW's quotes are not recent or updated -- but IF she's still an exec, then presumedly yet applicable.

HBO confirms ‘Harry Potter’ TV series casting for Dumbledore, Snape, and Hagrid
https://www.dailywire.com/news/hbo-...eries-casting-for-dumbledore-snape-and-hagrid

EXCERPT: HBO execs previously voiced support for “Harry Potter” author J.K. Rowling and defended their decision to keep her on as executive producer despite the backlash she’s gotten from leftists. The billionaire author has been labeled a “TERF” (trans-exclusionary radical feminist) for rejecting radical gender theory.

“J.K. is an executive producer, and her insights will be helpful,” Casey Bloys, chairman and CEO of HBO and Max Content said in 2023, as The Daily Wire previously reported. “We are in the Harry Potter business.”

“J.K. is a very online conversation … It’s very nuanced and complicated and not something we’re going to get into,” said Bloys. “Our priority is what’s onscreen. The Harry Potter story is incredibly affirmative and positive about love and acceptance, and that’s our priority, what’s on the screen.”
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Despite controversy, HBO has confirmed bringing a Rowling product to the television screen. ...
I'm tired of this interminable continuation of every single freaking franchise ever.

NBC's much missed Hannibal remains the GOAT as far as franchises go. Who doesn't love the ever quotable Will Graham?

"You wouldn't like me when I'm psychoanalyzed."
"It isn't very smart to piss off a guy who thinks about killing people for a living."
"I was thinking about dogs. I just love dogs."

Hannibal Lecter, as well:

"Will Gwaham is my fwend."

 
I'm tired of this interminable continuation of every single freaking franchise ever.

NBC's much missed Hannibal remains the GOAT as far as franchises go. Who doesn't love the ever quotable Will Graham?

"You wouldn't like me when I'm psychoanalyzed."
"It isn't very smart to piss off a guy who thinks about killing people for a living."
"I was thinking about dogs. I just love dogs."

Hannibal Lecter, as well:

"Will Gwaham is my fwend."


We had a meltdown when they cancelled that on a cliffhanger.

Though it was NBC rather than Netflix, I also stopped sampling new shows of the latter after it axed "Oa" on a cliffhanger in its second season. Netflix is downright villainous in those tendencies (at least Amazon Prime tries to tie-up loose ends when it issues an execution order).
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We had a meltdown when they cancelled that on a cliffhanger.

Though it was NBC rather than Netflix, I also stopped sampling new shows of the latter after it axed "Oa" on a cliffhanger in its second season. Netflix is downright villainous in those tendencies (at least Amazon Prime tries to tie-up loose ends when it issues an execution order).
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Yeah. The cancellation of both Hannibal and The OA were criminal, a few others, as well. Honestly, I'm pissed off that we're (likely) never gonna get to see the live-action Roadrunner and Coyote with Will Forte.

At least we know that Hannibal is not in fact deceased ("late, great"), rather, he and Will Graham are dining upon Dana Scully's leg as we speak.
 
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"Irrational Prejudice"

We must remember—

A federal judge on Friday partially blocked the Trump administration from enacting a policy that bans the use of "X" marker used by many nonbinary people on passports as well as the changing of gender markers.

U.S. District Judge Julia Kobick, who was appointed by President Joe Biden, sided with the American Civil Liberties Union's motion for a preliminary injunction, which stays the action while the lawsuit plays out. It requires the State Department to allow six transgender and nonbinary people who are plaintiffs in the lawsuit to obtain passports with sex designations consistent with their gender identity.

"The Executive Order and the Passport Policy on their face classify passport applicants on the basis of sex and thus must be reviewed under intermediate judicial scrutiny," Kobick wrote. "That standard requires the government to demonstrate that its actions are substantially related to an important governmental interest. The government has failed to meet this standard."

Kobick also said plaintiffs have shown they would succeed in demonstrating that the new passport policy and executive order "are based on irrational prejudice toward transgender Americans and therefore offend our Nation's constitutional commitment to equal protection for all Americans."

—the cruelty is the point:

In its lawsuit, the ACLU described how one woman had her passport returned with a male designation while others are too scared to submit their passports because they fear their applications might be suspended and their passports held by the State Department. Another mailed in their passport on Jan. 9 and requested a name change and to change their sex designation from male to female. That person is still waiting for their passport — meaning they can't leave Canada where they live and could miss a family wedding in May and a botany conference in July.

Before he applied for his new passport, Ash Lazarus Orr was accused in early January by the U.S. Transportation Security Administration of using fake documents when traveling from West Virginia to New York — since he had a male designation on his driver's license but a female one on his passport. That prompted him to request the updated passport with a sex designation of male — four days before Trump took office ....

.... "Some Plaintiffs additionally allege that having inconsistent identification documents will heighten the risk that an official will discover that they are transgender," the Justice Department wrote. "But the Department is not responsible for Plaintiffs' choice to change their sex designation for state documents but not their passport."


(Casey↱)

At issue, here, is "an executive order signed in January" in which "the president used a narrow definition of the sexes instead of a broader conception of gender." The Associated Press observes, "The framing is in line with many conservatives’ views but at odds with major medical groups". It's like that point I can't seem to make enough, the one about when science informs differently than prevailing superstition.¹

In the United States, most courts see through the cruelty, as happened in this case. Still, they keep trying, because at least then they get to be cruel, and every once in a while they might win. Dobbs, for instance. Or 303 Creative.

And when they lose, it's just one more thing to resent and therefore resist.
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Notes:

¹ Generally, cf., #3746414↗:

「See, the thing is that when science and enlightenment sought to civilize the savage world, science and enlightenment were enough. But, kind of like geocentrism, when the science starts to inform differently than the superstitions of the prevailing societal narrative, then we have a problem … With medicine, words have certain definitions because other asserted meanings introduce imprecision and inconsistency. Similarly, the science and math are pretty straightforward, and somewhere between the armchair einsteins and the religio-pseudoscientists decoding scriptures in search of the real truth, some otherwise seemingly normal people will feel empowered by rarefied definitions that cannot be applied consistently, but justify personal gratification.」

In this thread, see #52↑, 54↑, 101↑, 191↑.​

Casey, Michael. "Judge blocks Trump administration from passport changes affecting some transgender Americans". Associated Press. 18 April 2025. APNews.com. 18 April 2025. https://apnews.com/article/transgen...cutive-order-ee211c3298f0c6f561f829cf5adca281
 
The Cruel Irony of the Profound Disruption of Personal Dignity That Is the Point

A month ago:

A federal judge blocked enforcement of President Donald Trump's executive order banning transgender people from military service on Tuesday, the latest in a string of legal setbacks for his sweeping agenda ....

.... Plaintiffs' attorneys contend Trump's order violates transgender people's rights to equal protection under the Fifth Amendment.

Government lawyers argue that military officials have broad discretion to decide how to assign and deploy servicemembers without judicial interference.

Reyes said she did not take lightly her decision to issue an injunction blocking Trump's order, noting that "Judicial overreach is no less pernicious than executive overreach." But, she said, it was also the responsibility of each branch of government to provide checks and balances for the others, and the court "therefore must act to uphold the equal protection rights that the military defends every day" ....

.... "The cruel irony is that thousands of transgender servicemembers have sacrificed—some risking their lives—to ensure for others the very equal protection rights the military ban seeks to deny them," Reyes wrote.


(Kunzelman↱)

There's a reason the word "cruel" comes up.

Even at the time, the Trump administration was failing remarkably in its hatred of transgender:

Federal judges in Seattle and Baltimore separately paused Trump's executive order halting federal support for gender-affirming care for transgender youth under 19. Last month, a judge blocked prison officials from transferring three incarcerated transgender women to men's facilities and terminating their access to hormone therapy under another Trump order.

And it's a really big deal for Trump and his supporters:

Plaintiffs' attorneys say Trump's order fits his administration's pattern of discriminating against transgender people ....

.... Trump also signed orders that set up new rules about how schools can teach about gender and that intend to ban transgender athletes from participating in girls' and women's sports.

"From its first days, this administration has moved to strip protections from transgender people across multiple domains — including housing, social services, schools, sports, healthcare, employment, international travel, and family life," plaintiffs' lawyers wrote.

Anyway, that was about a month ago. It didn't take long before it happened again:

A U.S. judge in Washington state has blocked enforcement of President Donald Trump's order banning transgender people from serving in the military, the second nationwide injunction against the policy in as many weeks.

The order Thursday from U.S. District Court Judge Benjamin Settle in Tacoma came in a case brought by several long-serving transgender military members who say the ban is insulting and discriminatory, and that their firing would cause lasting damage to their careers and reputations.

In his 65-page ruling, Settle — an appointee of former President George W. Bush and a former captain in the U.S. Army Judge Advocate General Corps — said the administration offered no explanation as to why transgender troops, who have been able to serve openly over the past four years with no evidence of problems, should suddenly be banned.

"The government's arguments are not persuasive, and it is not an especially close question on this record," Settle wrote. "The government's unrelenting reliance on deference to military judgment is unjustified in the absence of any evidence supporting 'the military's' new judgment reflected in the Military Ban."

Of one plaintiff, Judge Settle observed:

"There is no claim and no evidence that she is now, or ever was, a detriment to her unit's cohesion, or to the military's lethality or readiness, or that she is mentally or physically unable to continue her service," he wrote. "There is no claim and no evidence that Shilling herself is dishonest or selfish, or that she lacks humility or integrity. Yet absent an injunction, she will be promptly discharged solely because she is transgender."

It is important to remember, there is history to the issue. Trump tried to ban transgender from the military in 2016, exempting those already in the service because he needed to do so for the order to pass muster. Biden, of course, quashed the rule, and now the Trump administration is back with a vengeance.

The judges aren't stupid. They are not unaware of either the spuriousness of the conservative case or the malice that drives it.

So much so that it's easy enough to miss the other one, from New Jersey, only days before that:

A federal judge in New Jersey has issued a temporary ban on the removal of two transgender men from the Air Force, following a similar ruling last week from a judge in Washington, D.C.

U.S. District Judge Christine O'Hearn after a hearing Monday said the pair have shown their separation would cause lasting damage to their careers and reputations.

She issued a two-week ban on enforcement of President Donald Trump's executive order banning transgender people from military service.

O'Hearn found that Master Sgt. Logan Ireland and Staff Sgt. Nicholas Bear Bade are likely to prevail on equal protection grounds by showing they have been singled out due to their sex and the defendants cannot justify the differential treatment.

"The loss of military service under the stigma of a policy that targets gender identity is not merely a loss of employment; it is a profound disruption of personal dignity, medical continuity, and public service," O'Hearn wrote in an order granting a 14-day restraining order.

The "profound disruption of personal dignity" is part of the cruelty that is the point. That is to say, it's always↗ about↑ empowerment↑, and the disruption of personal dignity is pretty much all they have left.
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Notes:

Dale, Maryclaire. "Another US judge issues temporary ban on Trump’s removal of transgender service members". Associated Press. 24 March 2025. APNews.com. 18 April 2025. https://apnews.com/article/trump-tr...e-new-jersey-3b7cfe4235487ce08db678ec0386a5d4

Johnson, Gene. "Another federal judge blocks Trump policy banning transgender troops in the military". Associated Press. 27 March 2025. APNews.com. 18 April 2025. https://apnews.com/article/trump-tr...gton-hegseth-e36e2b113662872b2fa29a9e74f36f72

Kunzelman, Michael. "Federal judge blocks Trump administration from banning transgender people from military service" Associated Press. 18 March 2025. APNews.com. 18 April 2025. https://apnews.com/article/trump-transgender-troops-military-7e1a52f94ee60dcd58d4c2086e14acc3
 
Related development?
DK. My guess is the thread topic has pretty well played out. I'm finding it hard to continue caring what celebrities think, on this and many other issues.




The "profound disruption of personal dignity" is part of the cruelty that is the point.
Indeed. I hope the temp ban from a NJ judge gets some traction elsewhere and Trump continues to face strong headwinds on his performative bigotry.
 
Indeed. I hope the temp ban from a NJ judge gets some traction elsewhere and Trump continues to face strong headwinds on his performative bigotry.
This will unfortunately only play into the hands of the MAGA, as they blame the leftist Trump-hating deranged judge for overreaching and thinking they can stop the will of the people, etc. ;)
 
The "profound disruption of personal dignity" is part of the cruelty that is the point. That is to say, it's always↗ about↑ empowerment↑, and the disruption of personal dignity is pretty much all they have left.
There is something perversely funny about the fact that we are essentially now back to, "Yeah, well you're gay!". Equally funny and equally perverse is the curious disjunct with respect to transparency: we're promised transparency with respect to this, but we only ever get (inadvertently) transparency with respect to that.
 
When the Day Ends in ¿Why?

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So, there he was, just minding his own business calling people "disloyal bags of shit", when, ¡bam! that horrible Biggerstaff just came out of nowhere to bully Linehan like that for no reason.

Poor Graham! And such courage! It's not like he's sticking his head out for notoriety. He should be able to publicly voice his political opinions by calling people "disloyal bags of shit" without anyone stooping to vituperation like that.

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The thing about the cynicism of the preceding paragraphs is the contrast. For those who have paid attention to the issue over the period, Linehan's decision to throw shade at Radcliffe, Watson, and Grint reflects a British terf courage distinctive of traditionalist radical-envy.

It is, fundamentally, no different from any other traditionalist bully boxes, relying on numbers to enforce superstition. The thing is, it was never a dualism in the way he pretends. Linehan's self-immolation is simply that, self-inflicted.

And this? There was, technically, no other reason to stick his head out like that; he just wanted to call people "disloyal bags of shit" because they didn't follow J.K. Rowling into hatred.

Graham Linehan↱: Wonder how these disloyal bags of shit are doing today?

Sean Biggerstaff↱: You don't have to wonder. You know what they're doing - leading happy and successful lives, having not driven their families away with their hateful obsessions.
 
Rightly or wrongly, the Daily Mail seems to be on a "highlighting silence" kick after the GRC ruling, with respect to not just Rowling circles, but Starmer. Sometimes that strategy is warranted when it comes to public image opportunism, especially if taking the "I'm only a clueless entertainer" approach from the start.

But if one has already spilled the beans in the past, then taciturnity will probably not suffice long-term. And being a politician rather than a recreational performer surely entails never having that type of exemption as a valid option, regardless.

  • PM Keir Starmer's 5 days of silence after Supreme Court gender ruling on what a woman is
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...er-mounting-pressure-court-gender-ruling.html

    EXCERPTS: Sir Keir Starmer was last night under mounting pressure to break his silence over the Supreme Court’s landmark gender ruling. [...] In 2022, Sir Keir insisted that ‘trans women are women’ and that it was wrong to say ‘only women have a cervix’. In a newspaper interview in April 2023, he faced a backlash after claiming that 99.9 per cent of women do not have a penis - implying that one in a thousand women do. Later that year, following a backlash, he said he agreed with Tony Blair that men have a penis and women a vagina....
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

    Harry Potter stars who have vocally opposed Rowling's stance on gender identity have so far stayed silent
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...arry-Potter-proteges-silent-trans-ruling.html

    EXCERPTS: Multi-millionaire author Rowling, who reportedly helped fund the women's rights campaign group which brought the Supreme Court case, shared a photo online from on board her $150 million superyacht puffing a cigar in celebration.

    She told her 14.3 million followers on X, formerly Twitter: 'I love it when a plan comes together.'

    Yet while she has been commenting at length on social media about the Supreme Court decision, fans have noted the apparent silence from stars who featured in the blockbuster movie adaptations of her Harry Potter books.

    Daniel Radcliffe, 35, and fellow Harry Potter stars Emma Watson, 35, and Rupert Grint, 36, have spoken publicly in support of gender ideology - that biologically male trans women should be regarded as women...

    [...] When one fan said they were 'just waiting for Dan and Emma [Watson]' to offer a 'very public apology' knowing they'd be safe in the knowledge the author would forgive them, Rowling wrote:

    'Not safe I'm afraid. Celebs who cosied up to a movement intent on eroding women's hard-won rights and who used their platforms to cheer on the transitioning of minors can save their apologies for traumatised detransitioners and vulnerable women reliant on single sex spaces.'
 
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I have yet to talk to a conservative or a TERF who can define what a woman is. Until they can, not going to take them very seriously.
A woman is something that a trans AMAB wants to be, how about that?


I have been looking into the ruling a little deeper because policies and practices depend on it.
Hospitals, business etc.

Also I have been looking at what our standing is with ECHR since we are a signatory BUT not part of the EU anymore.

If I was a trans activist group now and my members were asking what the next steps would be I would go that route.



If I cannot use a facility as a trans woman and are now forced to use a mens room, this is an abuse of my human rights.

For example, I can go through customs as a woman, gender on my passport, woman's name legally changed BUT then have to use the mens room in the airport?

Don't forget this includes men who have had transitional surgery.

This should not be a fight between women's rights and trans rights. Both sides should be looking for common ground.
 
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A woman is something that a trans AMAB wants to be, how about that?


I have been looking into the ruling a little deeper because policies and practices depend on it.
Hospitals, business etc.

Also I have been looking at what our standing is with ECHR since we are a signatory BUT not part of the EU anymore.

If I was a trans activist group now and my members were asking what the next steps would be I would go that route.



If I cannot use a facility as a trans woman and are now forced to use a mens room, this is an abuse of my human rights.

For example, I can go through customs as a woman, gender on my passport, woman's name legally changed BUT then have to use the mens room in the airport?

Don't forget this includes men who have had transitional surgery.

This should not be a fight between women's rights and trans rights. Both sides should be looking for common ground.
Мне вот интересно: почему в России нет трансгендеров, трансвеститов, и пр.? Никто их не запрещает, никто не преследует(потому что некого преследовать), но их у нас просто нет.
 
I wonder: why are there no transgenders, transvestites, etc. in Russia? No one bans them, no one persecutes them (because there is no one to persecute), but we simply do not have them.
Bwahahahahahaha! Your ignorance of your own country is staggering.
 
Bwahahahahahaha! Your ignorance of your own country is staggering.
Возможно. Наверное, я прошла мимо тебя, приняв тебя за женщину, когда ты был с визитом в нашей стране.
 
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