Most British scientists: Richard Dawkins' work misrepresents science

iceaura said:
*Every single ID argument you have posted, or linked to, is from the standard and familiar body of Abrahamic Monotheist Fundamentalist creationism familiar to us all in the US for decades. So is your entire vocabulary, your approach to scientific research and theory, and - decisively - your characteristic errors of reasoning, both posted and linked.

You have posted nothing from any other source of ID thought or analysis - such as the Gaia crowd, or the Computer Simulation crowd, or the Cycles of Rebirth Hindu/Vague Eastern body of handwavers.

What is anybody supposed to think?

#You have time for YEC - you posted links to adherents and sympathizers among the A-fundies.
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One is inclined to say if it quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck.......;)
 
Beer w/Straw said:
That's the dumbest answer.

How would a child learn?
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Can I just answer? Alex might be thinking of lawyers who should not ask questions of persons in the witness box unless the lawyer knows the answer.

Don't think it applies outside of that example.

Now I want to learn and I have a few questions where I don't know answers.

Setting the stage for ID'ers out there. What I think I know so far. Please correct if I am in error.

ID stands for Intelligent Design. Tick.
The Designer is NOT God. No no no not God. Tick.
As in the title I am presuming the Designer is Intelligent. Tick
Also in the title Intelligent Designer Designs. Tick.

Don't know:-
  • form of this (being, entity) <<< ID'ers please pick one and can you put an image to this (being, entity) to help those like me think better with images then text. Hint the old angry man with the flowing grey beard has been overdone.
  • how long has this entity (I'm picking entity - has more of a sifi feel than being) been around?
  • confirm please. This entity is Intelligent?
Questions.

Any idea of the IQ of the Designer?

I know you can't read the mind of god (he moves in mysterious ways).

Does the Designer move in mysterious ways?

Can you read the mind of the Designer? Or at least take a thought out guess what is in such a mind.

How long did this entity spend on designing life?

Thought bubble. Did the Designer have anything to do with creation of the universe? I've only heard about life.

Where does the Designer hang out? I'm guessing everywhere and heaven are out.

Repeat question, this entity is Intelligent right?

What on/in heaven, hell and the seven seas was entity thinking when entity settled on this design?

If I was teaching and asked my age 5 year old students to design a life form and this design came to my desk I would have serious thoughts about sending child to some sort of specialist for a check up.

Hence my repeat question to confirm the Designer is Intelligent.

Anyone out there with answers?
 
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Michael 345 said:
Did the Designer have anything to do with creation of the universe?
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No that was handled by another department.
Michael 345 said:
Where does the Designer hang out?
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We dont know he keeps to himself after work.
Michael 345 said:
What on/in heaven, hell and the seven seas was entity thinking when entity settled on this design?
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The current design is only a proto type and probably will be recalled the free will software is simply not working as expected.
Michael 345 said:
Repeat question, this entity is Intelligent right?
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Certainly very inteligent it just that he has a habit of playing practical jokes.
Now lets try to get this thread back to some semblance of being on topic.
Alex
 
Q-reeus said:
See my response to Alex in #559
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In your response to Alex, you asserted that there was lots of circumstantial evidence for the existence of Intelligent Design in the evolution of living beings on this planet. I have never seen any - could you provide some of it, or at least hint at where it may be found? (Your posts so far have presented detailed evidence that modern living beings are very complex, and the true claim that nobody knows exactly how the earliest living beings came to exist - but no explanation of why you think either of those two circumstances is relevant to Intelligent Design).

Also in your post 559 you denied being an adherent of Christianity, which doesn't address my post 557 despite having quoted it.

So your response 559 seems more or less irrelevant to my posting, which you quoted and appear to have been replying to.
 
Xelasnave.1947 said:
No that was handled by another department.

We dont know he keeps to himself after work.

The current design is only a proto type and probably will be recalled the free will software is simply not working as expected.

Certainly very inteligent it just that he has a habit of playing practical jokes.
Now lets try to get this thread back to some semblance of being on topic.
Alex
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Most British scientists cited in study feel Richard Dawkins' work misrepresents science

If they did they are wrong.

There you are sir. Back on topic.

Sorry sir. Won't happen again.
 
Michael 345 said:
There you are sir. Back on topic.

Sorry sir. Won't happen again.
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But I did not for a moment expect you to listen to me.

I just wanted to appear to be following the rules before we really got stuck into bagging out anyone that we would happen to focus upon.
Michael 345 said:
Does the Designer move in mysterious ways?
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Yes of course he does he does not want any secrets getting out there.

Can you imagine the turmoil in the office when he found out someone had leaked the idea of cloning and he had to deal with humans turning out identical sheep.

Alex
 
iceaura said:
In your response to Alex, you asserted that there was lots of circumstantial evidence for the existence of Intelligent Design in the evolution of living beings on this planet. I have never seen any - could you provide some of it, or at least hint at where it may be found? (Your posts so far have presented detailed evidence that modern living beings are very complex, and the true claim that nobody knows exactly how the earliest living beings came to exist - but no explanation of why you think either of those two circumstances is relevant to Intelligent Design).

Also in your post 559 you denied being an adherent of Christianity, which doesn't address my post 557 despite having quoted it.

So your response 559 seems more or less irrelevant to my posting, which you quoted and appear to have been replying to.
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My answer covered what was relevant to your disingenuous 'A fundie signature = A fundie' crap, and the 'why not quote Gaia/Computer Sim/Hindu Vedic/etc.' was too facile to be worthy a response. Only the 'usual' ID crowd have cogent arguments to offer. As for the endlessly repeated call for 'show me evidence of ID in evolution', the answer is you are familiar with all the arguments - good ones, and clearly reject them all. Out of a total commitment to materialist philosophy imo. The consequence being no evidence contrary to that ideological position will ever seem reasonable because - not materialism. That 'Tour's tour' leaves you unfazed is one glaring example.
 
Xelasnave.1947 said:
But I did not for a moment expect you to listen to me.

I just wanted to appear to be following the rules before we really got stuck into bagging out anyone that we would happen to focus upon.


Yes of course he does he does not want any secrets getting out there.

Can you imagine the turmoil in the office when he found out someone had leaked the idea of cloning and he had to deal with humans turning out identical sheep.

Alex
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Tugs at forelock and trys to look sheepish. Nice of you to say so sir. Can I go back to nibbling on my lump of coal? It's the only carbon I have in the pantry.

Funny you should mention cloning.

There is another thread I follow about AI.

Can I be very brief and ask the AI question here also?
 
Michael 345 said:
Can I be very brief and ask the AI question here also?
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Ask away the op will be well served when all matters have been covered but drawing everything together in conclusion will be interesting.

Think of it this way... If you lost your car keys you may look everywhere before you find them, and so should we not treat the truth much the same.... start looking it could be anywhere.
Alex
 
Xelasnave.1947 said:
Ask away the op will be well served when all matters have been covered but drawing everything together in conclusion will be interesting.

Think of it this way... If you lost your car keys you may look everywhere before you find them, and so should we not treat the truth much the same.... start looking it could be anywhere.
Alex
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Test tube babies are the result of Artificial Insemination.

As they grow, develop and learn is this a form of Artificial Intelligence already among us?

If not when did the test tube baby become not artificial?
 
Michael 345 said:
As they grow, develop and learn is this a form of Artificial Intelligence already among us?
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No of course not but maybe I dont know and wont change my mind on this issue.
Michael 345 said:
If not when did the test tube baby become not artificial?
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Artificial flowers dont die if you put half them in water. Put the baby in water, the bottom half, and if it does not die in a couple of days it is artificial.
Alex
 
Q-reeus said:
No weasel, it wasn't answered. At your age, some reasonable level of maturity of character is to be expected. What a disappointment you are.
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I would really check out your own weaseling first, along with your previous immaturity and attempted bullying tactics, with your reply posts to most on this thread besides myself, that have dared oppose your crusade: ;)
But I don't expect that. :rolleyes:

"geology begat biology".
It's also rather amusing how a subject/thread started to compare styles of two reputable supporters of Abiogenesis, can raise the angst, blustering, and peurile stamping of feet among some :)
You have a good day/evening q-reeus. :)
 
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