Modern Christianity, the bible and God's laws

davewhite04 said:
Tour, in his words(slippery as they might be...) believes in evolution as far as I know. He just thinks that the scientists and hobbyists working on abiogenesis are getting ahead of themselves, there is still a long way to go. Would you agree with that?
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Tour thinks god created life, there was no Abiogenesis as far as he is concerned.

He is a creationist and is a spoke person for the Discovery Institute who are anti Evolution, pro ID and anti science.

From memory I have not read one single headline in the literature that claimed, "this is how it happened."

There is a mountain of evidence out there already also possibilities in terms of mechanisms, models are explored, studies in the lab, spectral data from space and Webb is still early in its career.
Samples from Asteroids are being analysed as we speak.
This will not be one answer, just as Quantum Mechanics was not one answer, it is a rich story and has many chapters.
 
exchemist said:
Man is considered special in that he knows right from wrong, i.e. has morality. That’s what the tree of knowledge of good and evil is all about. It’s an allegory of growing up really, the loss of childlike innocence.

The notion of dominion over other animals is not exactly central to either Judaism or Christianity, but as it happens our current worries about the state of the planet bear it out pretty exactly. Man does have the capability, uniquely, to screw it up for all other species!
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Really well described.
 
davewhite04 said:
I think most scientists would agree on the age. But if there is a region that is infinite, would that not mean that the universe is infinite? It's expanding we know, so it must of had a beginning, but an infinite region doesn't make sense to me.
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Yep that messed with me too.

This is where pop sci fails. The Universe did NOT begin as a "point" smaller than an atom that "exploded" into space.

The "Observable" universe is part where light from the furthest region can still reach the earth.
Beyond that who knows but there are reasons to think that beyond that it is more of the same forever in all directions.
 
Pinball1970 said:
Tour thinks god created life, there was no Abiogenesis as far as he is concerned.

He is a creationist and is a spoke person for the Discovery Institute who are anti Evolution, pro ID and anti science.

From memory I have not read one single headline in the literature that claimed, "this is how it happened."

There is a mountain of evidence out there already also possibilities in terms of mechanisms, models are explored, studies in the lab, spectral data from space and Webb is still early in its career.
Samples from Asteroids are being analysed as we speak.
This will not be one answer, just as Quantum Mechanics was not one answer, it is a rich story and has many chapters.
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I believe God created everything, and science can eventually figure out exactly how He did it.

The question that is left is, why He did it? That's when I wish there we more theists on sciforums, or at least philosophers willing to explore that area.
 
Pinball1970 said:
Tour thinks god created life, there was no Abiogenesis as far as he is concerned.
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Not from what I've seen. He does think abiogenesis is an explanation, but it will take many years for it to establish itself as a theory, like evolution. He does believe God created everything(he is a Christian), but that doesn't mean that evolution is not true or abiogenesis is a promising hypothesis.

He is a creationist and is a spoke person for the Discovery Institute who are anti Evolution, pro ID and anti science.
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He is a believer in Intelligent Design. Creationists tend to believe that the earth is 6-7k old.
 
Pinball1970 said:
When you say "everything" you mean people? Trees? Mountains? Planets? Stars?
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Yes. But He used evolution to do it(Cosmic, Chemical etc..).

Why? Same reasons He made shit teeth, because He wanted dentists. He wants us to think, He wants to test us, see if we worship something else over Him is what I think.
 
davewhite04 said:
Tour, in his words(slippery as they might be...) believes in evolution as far as I know. He just thinks that the scientists and hobbyists working on abiogenesis are getting ahead of themselves, there is still a long way to go. Would you agree with that?
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Ah but that's not what he believes, according to what I have read. Tour thinks life required divine intervention - a miracle - to get it started. He ridicules the idea of natural abiogenesis, for no better reason than that he, personally, can't see how life can have been created in a chemistry lab like his, on a human timescale. It's just a version of Dawkins' "Argument from Personal Incredulity".
 
exchemist said:
Ah but that's not what he believes, according to what I have read. Tour thinks life required divine intervention - a miracle - to get it started. He ridicules the idea of natural abiogenesis, for no better reason than that he, personally, can't see how life can have been created in a chemistry lab like his, on a human timescale. It's just a version of Dawkins' "Argument from Personal Incredulity".
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I'm not sticking up for him, but to his credit he has said that we'll figure out how life begun. Not in our lifetime or in our children's, but we will. He may of said miracle before but has changed his tune last I heard.
 
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