step outside the Universe , look in
You have to have time, something to step on, to be outside the universe, to look in from the future I suppose. so,
there must be time outside the universe too, not just holistic with, and inside the conditions of the spacetime universe.
sorry, I am mixing metaphors again with the expanding sphere. this is the surfing of the wave model, so:
Picture, if you stepped outside the universe,- but were not an observer, but a participant, like a dynamically soaring Albatross or even a Pelican getting lift above the advancing wave that moves through time, outward from the Big Beginning Bang.
river, time is not the moving flow of a river we drift with, It is the great pond time surface we move through, powered by the energy in the outgoing wave, in this model. thank you.
you are giving time a physical dimension .
yes I do in the sense that I remove one of the 3 space dimensions and assign its picture to time. and What prompts me to do that, is the thoughts now advanced by the likes of Penrose, Kraus, Carroll, that time is not confined to the universe and does not exists only since the Big Beginning Bang.
While our calculations and representations in coordinate system using time as you define it, work well, it is not the whole cosmic picture.
Time is a dimension, predating our universe's beginning.
I like the Mustang illustration, better yet if it would be the Mustang of my generation, a superb long range aircraft.
In your car example, for me (mixing metaphors again) time would be the road, Mustang is moving over, through time, driver looks ahead to the future, but is only things of the past. Car doing 150 (must be the Autobahn) , but tires touch road (time) at zero speed contact. like us, the now has zero length. Odometer like a clock, registers time, length of road covered (mileage for trip, or age of car) speedometer measure movement through time, rate of progress over road.
I believe your mainstream concept of time inside the universe , and my cosmic view of time as a ,fundamental condition are not mutually exclusive, contradictory. Your's works fine if restricted to the universe, it is the result of timespace having been available to start it all, like the pebble hit in post #1
Keep those Mustangs flying. fight entropy for fighter planes.
remove guns, nothing ages planes and fighters more than use of armmament.
time is the consequence of movement
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time is the consequence of movement
If that is so, why does time ( or movement through it) vanish to zero when the photon movement reaches the absolute max speed limit "c" in a vacuum?
Because it is a perception by living beings .
To other objects in space movement does not vanish
I was referring to the fact that a photon in movement will experience no aging, no passage of time. If movement is the creatrice of time, why does it vanish when movement is highest? ( Einstein observing the clock in the tower 'freeze' as he rides off on his wave of light ca, 1905.)
Perspective , that is what Einstein is referring to . Not the actual " freeze " of the clock , literally ; but from his perspective .
so, are you saying that at the speed of light, time dilation does not happen? that at that clip, 300 000 km/sec, time (or movement through it) does not come to zero? That photons age, light waves age? (not stretched, redshifted because space has expanded)?
Is that not the problem with light? you can not watch it go by, in part because its forward dimension has shrunk to zero? can not see it go by , unless it bounces off some particles, and enters your eyes directly, having left the main stream?Time dilation is about perspective . Those things not within the sphere of the speed of light of any object just watch it go by .
Is that not the problem with light? you can not watch it go by, in part because its forward dimension has shrunk to zero? can not see it go by , unless it bounces off some particles, and enters your eyes directly, having left the main stream?
That is why it is so hard, unrealistic to see the universe as a model advancing as a wave through time I guess. thank you!
You cannot watch light go by - EVER - light is invisibleyou can not watch it go by, in part bec
You cannot watch light go by - EVER - light is invisible
Your eyes reacts to light which has bounced off something before exciting your rods and cones
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True but to the objects in the Universe light energy reacts with them , endlessly .
Only NOW is PRESENT and NOW is continuous. TIME cannot be stop / start into discrete packets no matter how small you make them
To lay it out clearer
1/ Time itself does not exist
Things, people and the Universe are in existence in NOW
What is normally regarded as time is better defined as AGE so clocks are NOT time machines
They are closer to a tape measure as they measure AGE
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Your wave theory could coincide with the Multiverse.![]()
Just a thought on this,
Many waves, even those caused by an energy event, when propagating ,announce themselves as a negative occurrence, the trough of a wave arriving as a precursor tho the major impact ( view the tsunami footage). so:
what does say about the BB event as an possible analogy?