Masculinity and Rights, Misogyny and Violence

[billvon]

I think it's all about looks

And personality, and charisma, and skill, and empathy.

You can be the ugliest guy in the world. If you're a world-class climber - you are going to be sought after. If you become an actor who fills roles for ugly people - you are going to be sought after.

 

[pluto2]

For my experience in life women only live to make your life ѕhit and to drag you down.

No wonder that so many men are becoming misogynists.

Men are becoming misogynists because they realise that many women are outright evil and will only date and love Chads while making the life of an ugly male very lonely and miserable.

 

[billvon]

For my experience in life women only live to make your life ѕhit and to drag you down.

Women are very much like men - some evil, some heroes, most basically good people. If you seek out the evil ones then that's all you will see.

No wonder that so many men are becoming misogynists.

Men become misogynists because they are hateful and need a target for their hate. Women serve as well as any other target.

Men are becoming misogynists because they realise that many women are outright evil and will only date and love Chads while making the life of an ugly male very lonely and miserable.

Provably untrue.

 

[Bells]

I think it's all about looks:

Of course you do.

Because taking personal responsibility for who you actually are is too difficult for cowards and sociopaths, so you rather blame it on "looks". Case in point:

if you're sinister looking and not a chad people and especially young women aren't going to like you.

It has nothing to do with looks and everything to do with the creepy as fuck vibe you give off.

Looks are the main factor.

Nope.

Women and normies have more tolerance with good looking.

Women have more tolerance for people who don't view us as being cattle who are there solely to please men.. aka you.

Do you want to know why women won't come near you pluto2?

It's because you come off like a sociopath and a creep. You are obsessed with women and sex. It has nothing to do with your physical features (ie your looks) and it has everything to do with your personality.

If a Chad have one of the things that make a incel vibe (bad aura, bad body language and the pheromones) people will not Care
If a ugly person have just one of this things , he will probably be excluded.
Ugly people don't have the right to do many mistakes

Again, you are trying to pin this on looks.

It's not about looks.

It's about the fact that incels are creepy and are creeps who are obsessed with sex and who believe that women exist to please them and they are angry that women stay away from them. Wannabe rapists. Sociopaths obsessed with sex. And too often, murderers.

Nothing to do with your looks. Everything to do with your attitude, your demeanour, your beliefs, your words.

You want women to talk to you and possibly enter a relationship with you? Stop acting like a creep. Stop obsessing about sex. Stop believing that we exist solely for you to ejaculate in. Stop thinking and believing that you are entitled to our bodies. Then maybe, just maybe, if you are able to wash the stench of the incel bullshit you keep posting off of you, women might actually want to get to know you instead of running as far from you as possible and considering bleach as a means to cleanse themselves if you slither too close.

A person's looks matters more than many people are willing to admit. Good-looking people are treated better by others and evidence also shows they also earn more money.

And don't forget that looks matter quite a lot especially to young women too.

You ever, and I mean ever, link that hate site on this site again, I'll boot you from this place. You want to know why women won't have anything to do with you? Look at the crap you are linking and reading.

 

[Tiassa]

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A thread of masculine twittery↱ begins:

A woman should always take her man's side on everything, even if she secretly disagrees with him. It's not her place to humiliate him, argue with him, bring him shame, or make him look bad in front of others. Disagreements are discussed privately. In public, you're always united.

Don't say "and vice versa" or "this goes the other way" as if to imply equality.

There is no equality, and you're missing a ton of nuance. And if this tweet offends you in some way, or you feel the need to correct it with some equalist notion, politely fuckoff and unfollow.

Ideally, you maintain each other's dignity. But this is not an ideal world. Men don't "test their woman's authority" because women don't lead. A woman told off by her man too harshly is sympathised with, a man told off by his woman is ridiculed. NOT THE SAME. NOT EQUAL. GET IT?​

At this point it's probably worth reminding that he is describing a masculine and masculinist standard. In other words, it stands out when boys start screeching about their own damn rules.

Seriously, though, the author bio explains it is his "life's work to improve the quality and character of men to ensure their might, honour and wisdom - to make men of boys and kings of men!" Within that purview, he explains to women↱, "a wife is a wife, and no matter who he may be, it's her sacred duty to make her husband look good." There comes a point at which Poe's Law might seem to apply, but, no, this sort of stuff is well within the bounds of reality for these emotionally fragile manly-men.

There comes a point at which for malice or stupidity, there really isn't any kind assessment for this sort of attitude or rant. A manly man who cannot maintain his own merit without requiring a woman to do it for him is no proper man, or something like that. It's one of the puzzles of this masculine dependency on women. Moreover inasmuch as↱, "A woman's respectability is rooted in her sexual purity and feminine warmth", I don't know which part should we go with, the one about how maybe he should learn to fuck, or the one about wondering how much attention this brand of masculine insecurity is really worth.

Sad thing is, dude might be hurting inside, but there's not much anyone can do for hurt he delivers unto himself. And maybe this guy isn't going to shoot the place up along the way, but this really is among the stuff we tried to ignore as much as we could until the bratty-boy masculinists started shooting up the place. It's always a weird spectacle, and generally unsettling.

To the degree that even I weary of the term, toxic masculinity, what do we do with the idea of sickness? Calling him a sick bastard doesn't really help, but neither would he appreciate a more compassionate consideration of sickness that inherently doubts his competency.

Still, inasmuch as one has an identity investment in the disapprobation such performances seem designed to invite, the question of being either sinister or noncompetent still erodes confidence in one's reliability.

How is it that self-denigration is a masculine identity politic?
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Notes:

@TellYourSonThis. "A woman should always take her man's side on everything, even if she secretly disagrees with him. It's not her place to humiliate him, argue with him, bring him shame, or make him look bad in front of others. Disagreements are discussed privately. In public, you're always united." Twitter. (Thread.) 12 February 2021. Twitter.com. 18 February 2021. https://bit.ly/3byARYf

 

[RainbowSingularity]

interesting
you have conjured a question in my mind by your sentence
do sociopaths take personal self accountability(not the common laymens concept, but a perspective of self perception of how they interact with their own perception of themselves, & the wider world, & other people)

taking personal responsibility for who you actually are

as a

sociopaths

with hyper nationalism sweeping the globe & the rise of normalised functional narcissism sociopath behavior norms may become more common
they certainly showed their primary social function in the capital riots lynch mob
i suspect the majority of those protesters & rioter people at the capital building are borderline sociopaths

personally i class incels the same as child predators
they need to be permanently locked up until they have been cured
no different to nazis & terrorists
their only reality is to see out their reality which requires them to attack kill maim persecute & enslave other citizens to actualize their own reality as a function of normal society.
they must by personal conviction put violence upon other citizens to create the functional process of their reality
no different to a hallucinating person with a loaded gun walking down the street

 

[pluto2]

Women still think with their reptilian brains and that's because humanity is still quite primitive.

So the primitive brain of women thinks like this: good looking = good, ugly = evil or chad = good incel = bad

I think that our genetics and our brain control everything in our life and it's not just relationships with women but i really do mean EVERYTHING in life.

 

[wegs]

Women still think with their reptilian brains and that's because humanity is still quite primitive.

So the primitive brain of women thinks like this: good looking = good, ugly = evil or chad = good incel = bad

I think that our genetics and our brain control everything in our life and it's not just relationships with women but i really do mean EVERYTHING in life.

Curious, why do you think men should be permitted to have certain “standards” when it comes to attraction/chemistry when dating women, but women should be made to settle for men they don’t desire? (Not all women desire the exact same qualities in a partner but it seems like you have a double standard, here.)

 

[billvon]

Women still think with their reptilian brains and that's because humanity is still quite primitive.

Both women and men do that. You do that, for example.

So the primitive brain of women thinks like this: good looking = good, ugly = evil or chad = good incel = bad

You have explained to us several times that you deserve a good looking woman and will not settle for an ugly one. So to you good looking=good, ugly=evil, and you want to be a chad.

I think that our genetics and our brain control everything in our life and it's not just relationships with women but i really do mean EVERYTHING in life.

Only if you let them, as you do.

 

[pjdude1219]

Women still think with their reptilian brains and that's because humanity is still quite primitive.

So the primitive brain of women thinks like this: good looking = good, ugly = evil or chad = good incel = bad

I think that our genetics and our brain control everything in our life and it's not just relationships with women but i really do mean EVERYTHING in life.

you'd have a much better chance at getting a date if you didn't clearly hate women

 

[Bells]

Women still think with their reptilian brains and that's because humanity is still quite primitive.

Says the incel who believes women owe him sex....

So the primitive brain of women thinks like this: good looking = good, ugly = evil or chad = good incel = bad

Says the incel who believes he is entitled to only "beautiful women"..

I think that our genetics and our brain control everything in our life and it's not just relationships with women but i really do mean EVERYTHING in life.

You have a choice.

You choose to view women as sub-human who are on this planet to serve men and you believe that you are entitled to women's bodies..

That has nothing to do with genetics and everything to do with your choices in life.

You choose to be a misogynist.

 

[exchemist]

And personality, and charisma, and skill, and empathy.

You can be the ugliest guy in the world. If you're a world-class climber - you are going to be sought after. If you become an actor who fills roles for ugly people - you are going to be sought after.

I read recently that even Marty Feldman had a fair degree of success with women.

But then he was a witty and clever fellow and not, apparently, a creep.

 

[billvon]

I read recently that even Marty Feldman had a fair degree of success with women.

And Steve Buscemi, and Christopher Walken, and Danny DeVito. All have had pretty good success.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

meanwhile
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-56532248

Alix Russo said he had targeted her with verbal abuse, and falsely accused her of fraud.

The report included screenshots of Mr Laming's comments, many of which attacked Ms Russo and ridiculed her business situation.

"Unfortunately for you, I make the rules and you follow them," the MP wrote in response to one of her comments.

Another woman, Sheena Hewlett, said she and her husband - a local councillor - were also harassed by the MP.

The opposition Labor Party called Mr Laming's comments "shocking" and said he should resign.

Mr Laming on Saturday also faced an accusation from a Brisbane woman that he had taken a mobile phone photo of her while she was bending over at a landscape supply business in 2019.

The woman contacted Mr Laming via Facebook to complain, the Sydney Morning Herald reported. It said the MP had replied that he was not trying "to be rude" in taking the image.

 

[pluto2]

If only I was a pretty, blue-eyed, tall and blonde white boy from an upper class family then my life would have been so much different, especially with women.

Even girls from India want a tall good-looking white boy and won't give an ugly guy like me any chance.

I'm undesirable to virtually all the women on this planet and the good-looking girls won't even look at me and all of this is just because I'm ugly as sin. And the funny thing is there is nothing I can about do about my ugliness.

Ugly people like me are bullied, humiliated and most most people thinks this is ok.

Ugly people are depicted as the evil ones in many movies, cartoons and fairy tales.

Nice guys and incels are ridiculed not only because how cringy they are, but because they are ugly and people treat their cringe behaviour as a excuse to laugh at them.

The worst thing is, that hatred towards ugly people is 100% tolerated and considered as normal.. How? Two words: natural selection.

Unfortunately, there is something even worse - eugenics, an entire ideology in which core is destruction of ugly people.

Eugenics = genocide of ugly people.

Everyone will hate you and treat you like shit if you're ugly and especially if you're super-ugly.

Yes, it's good to hate ugly people, because they are undesirable, have bad genes etc. Unfortunately, there is something even worse - eugenics, an entire ideology in which core is destruction of ugly people. Eugenics = genocide of ugly people.

Ugly guys like me should not even exist yet I am forced to live using medicines and bluepills.

Not everyone hates women, minorities, gays, poor people but everyone hates ugly men, even other ugly people.

I get the feeling that ugly people are universally hated and discrminated against.

No matter the culture, the time period, gender, race, nationality, or religious group ugly males are still treated worse than average, and beautiful people are treated better than average (even in the movies).

My conclusion from this: Your life is your looks.

 

[Kristoffer]

The reason people don't like you, pluto, is because you're a creep.
Stop treating women as objects.

 

[foghorn]

Yes, it's good to hate ugly people, because they are undesirable,

So, do you hate ugly girls?

All I can attract are ugly girls but no girl that I am even a little attracted to ever shows any interest in me.

Are you yourself a shallow person?

 

[sculptor]

alternately
we could have:
Femininity and rights, Misandry and violence.

 

[candy]

Women still think with their reptilian brains and that's because humanity is still quite primitive.

So the primitive brain of women thinks like this: good looking = good, ugly = evil or chad = good incel = bad

I think that our genetics and our brain control everything in our life and it's not just relationships with women but i really do mean EVERYTHING in life.

Speaking as a woman your attitude toward women is the problem.

 

[pjdude1219]

And Steve Buscemi, and Christopher Walken, and Danny DeVito. All have had pretty good success.

and what do all 3 of them have in common besides not being conventionally attractive, they are all decent human beings something that seems to escape are dear pluto.