Life and Methane:

paddoboy

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https://phys.org/news/2020-12-planet-lot-methane-atmosphere-life.html

If a planet has a lot of methane in its atmosphere, life is the most likely cause:

The ultra-powerful James Webb Space Telescope will launch soon. Once it's deployed and in position at the Earth-Sun Lagrange Point 2, it'll begin work. One of its jobs is to examine the atmospheres of exoplanets and look for biosignatures. It should be simple, right? Just scan the atmosphere until you find oxygen, then close your laptop and head to the pub: Fanfare, confetti, Nobel prize.

Of course, Universe Today readers know it's more complicated than that. Much more complicated.

In fact, the presence of oxygen is not necessarily reliable. It's methane that can send a stronger signal indicating the presence of life.

Oxygen might seem like the obvious thing to look for in a planet's atmosphere when searching for signs of life, but that's not the case. Its presence or lack thereof is not a reliable indicator. Earth's history makes that clear.

Modern Earth's atmosphere contains about 21% oxygen, and we know that most of it comes from organisms in the planet's oceans. But there's a hitch: Once cyanobacteria on ancient Earth started producing oxygen as a byproduct of photosynthesis, it still took an awfully long time before the atmosphere became oxygenated, possibly a billion years.

What if we examined an exoplanet, found no oxygen, then moved on, not realizing that there was life down there, at the beginning of oxygenating that world? What if we were a billion years too early, and life hasn't oxygenated the exoplanet's atmosphere yet? Rocky planets have many oxygen sinks, and biologically produced oxygen wouldn't be found free in the atmosphere until those sinks were becoming saturated.
more at link:

the paper:
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/PSJ/abb99e

Abundant Atmospheric Methane from Volcanism on Terrestrial Planets Is Unlikely and Strengthens the Case for Methane as a Biosignature:

Abstract:

The disequilibrium combination of abundant methane and carbon dioxide has been proposed as a promising exoplanet biosignature that is readily detectable with upcoming telescopes such as the James Webb Space Telescope. However, few studies have explored the possibility of nonbiological CH4 and CO2 and related contextual clues. Here we investigate whether magmatic volcanic outgassing on terrestrial planets can produce atmospheric CH4 and CO2 with a thermodynamic model. Our model suggests that volcanoes are unlikely to produce CH4 fluxes comparable to biological fluxes. Improbable cases where volcanoes produce biological amounts of CH4 also produce ample carbon monoxide. We show, using a photochemical model, that high abiotic CH4 abundances produced by volcanoes would be accompanied by high CO abundances, which could be a detectable false-positive diagnostic. Overall, when considering known mechanisms for generating abiotic CH4 on terrestrial planets, we conclude that observations of atmospheric CH4 with CO2 are difficult to explain without the presence of biology when the CH4 abundance implies a surface flux comparable to modern Earth's biological CH4 flux. A small or negligible CO abundance strengthens the CH4+CO2 biosignature because life readily consumes atmospheric CO, while reducing volcanic gases likely cause CO to build up in a planet's atmosphere. Furthermore, the difficulty of volcanically generated CH4-rich atmospheres suitable for an origin of life may favor alternatives such as impact-induced reducing atmospheres.

 
Would you say that the release of methane from the ARctic permafrost is one of the major causes of the warming in the north?

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Would you say that the release of methane from the ARctic permafrost is one of the major causes of the warming in the north?

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your posting about methane based life forms on other planets
and the new telescope to look for signs of that
and so you are asking if arctic climate change is mostly due to methane emissions ?

you seem confused about what subjects your posting about and what subjects your asking questions about.

is this free thoughts about climate change & methane alternate theorys of how methane works in the atmosphere ?


or alternate theorys about how global atmospheric distribution of greenhouse gases work ?

or alternate theorys about global warming ?

or about
arctic warming theorys ?

or methane sinks(in permafrost & how they work)

or methane atmospheric distribution from large scale permafrost sink releases

or are you asking if methane based life forms are more likely to live in the arctic ?
i doubt we will be wiped out by a methane based life form zombie plague(but it is not theoretically impossible).

"when arctic methane zombies attack" ...

Would you say that the release of methane from the ARctic permafrost is one of the major causes of the warming in the north?
[[[ this is a different subject & i suggest your question be placed into a better context and its own thread subject]]]
Permafrost methane sink release is a VERY specialised subject
you would need to do a lot of back reading before any information made sense to you
 
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GHGases.jpg


your posting about methane based life forms on other planets
and the new telescope to look for signs of that
and so you are asking if arctic climate change is mostly due to methane emissions ?

you seem confused about what subjects your posting about and what subjects your asking questions about.

is this free thoughts about climate change & methane alternate theorys of how methane works in the atmosphere ?


or alternate theorys about how global atmospheric distribution of greenhouse gases work ?

or alternate theorys about global warming ?

or about
arctic warming theorys ?

or methane sinks(in permafrost & how they work)

or methane atmospheric distribution from large scale permafrost sink releases

or are you asking if methane based life forms are more likely to live in the arctic ?
i doubt we will be wiped out by a methane based life form zombie plague(but it is not theoretically impossible).

"when arctic methane zombies attack" ...


[[[ this is a different subject & i suggest your question be placed into a better context and its own thread subject]]]
Permafrost methane sink release is a VERY specialised subject
you would need to do a lot of back reading before any information made sense to you

My primary concern related to methane being released from the permafrost in the Arctic has to do with a message from a brilliant writer several years ago:

Quote Originally Posted by AboveAlpha

We have passed a THRESHOLD as no matter what we do we have gone BEYOND THE POINT OF A FIX as far as CLIMATE CHANGE.

NOTHING we do from this point on will stop the melting of the Northern and Southern Polar Sea Ice and the Greenland Glaciers.

Here in lies the problem and if you want to learn more run a search on this.....CDIAC.....CARBON DIOXIDE INFORMATION ANALYSIS CENTER.

The CDIAC is a part of the U.S. DOE...DEPT. OF ENERGY'S OFFICE OF SCIENCE at Oak Ridge National Labs.

If you watch the top of the web page there is a chart and every 20 to 30 seconds or so the CHART CHANGES and will give you the WORLD'S MOST ACCURATE AND UNBIASED DATA concerning CO2, CH4...which is METHANE which exists at the bottom of all Earth's Ocean's Arctic Lakes and within Permafrost and Tundra and CH4 holds in HEAT in our Atmosphere at a rate of approx.71 TIMES GREATER THAN CO2

The CH4 at the bottom of the Oceans and in Permafrost and Arctic Lakes exists as CH4 GEL or Methane Gel.

The Human generated emmisions of CO2 have warmed up the Earth's Ocean's and thus Air to a point that is CAUSING THE GEL FORM CH4 TO BUBBLE UP AND OUT INTO OUR ATMOSPHERE AS METHANE GAS!!!

This is how DIRE the problem is....the U.S. DOE's Office of Science's CDIAC is the ONLY DATA the U.S. Military considers to be trustworthy and viable thus this data is imputted into either Banked and Networked IBM Supercomputers or is imputted into the U.S. Military's new QUANTUM COMPUTERS for ONE SOLE PURPOSE!!!

That purpose is TO PLAN FOR THE EVENTUALITY OF WORLDWIDE WAR OVER RESOURCES!!!

What is going to happen and NOT MAYBE HAPPEN but WILL HAPPEN is this......when too much FRSH WATER is dumped into the NORTH ATLANTIC CURRENT or GULF STREAM which is a OCEAN WATER HEAT EXCHANGE SYSTEM.....as Warm Gulf of Mexico Water in a very strong current flows around the tip of Florida and up North up the East Coast and then angles across the Atlantic Ocean to the British Isles...which is by the U.K. which is further North than Massachusetts has much milder winters......

.....well the WARM WATER is LIGHTER and travels upon the top of the bottom COLD WATER THERMOCLINE....which is the COLD WATER flowing from the Arctic Ocean around Greenland and above the U.K. as this colder heavier water flows underneither the warmer lighter water coming up from the Gulf of Mexico......

......well there will come a day....SOON.....when the Earth has warmed up just a single degree to much and this will cause so much Polar and Greenland FRESH WATER ICE MELT....as the ICE that covers Greenland and the North Polar Arctic Ocean is FRESH WATER.....and because it is FRESH WATER....IT IS LIGHTER THAN OCEAN SALT WATER........

.......because of this when too much LIGHTER FRESH WATER MELTS AND IS DUMPED INTO THE NORTH ATLANTIC....as it is cold water but NOT SALT WATER....IT WILL WEIGH ROUGHLY ABOUT THE SAME WEIGHT AS THE WARM SALT WATER THAT IS FLOWING UP FROM THE GULF OF MEXICO AROUND THE TIP OF FLORIDA AND UP NORTH AND ACROSS THE ATLANTIC.

When this happens the Cold but FRESH WATER melted from Global Warming will STALL THE WARM SALT WATER TRAVELING NORTH FROM THE GULF OF MEXICO.

Thus warm water will stop flowing NORTH and the COLD WATER will STOP FLOWING SOUTH....as the COLD WATER will reach a point of desalinization so that it weighs the same as the WARM SALT WATER TRYING TO TRAVEL NORTH.

This will STALL THE NORTH ATLANTIC CURRENT'S HEAT TRANSFER SYSTEM!!!

And GUESS what happens next??

Have you ever watched the movie THE DAY AFTER TOMMORROW????

If you have....then you understand.

AboveAlpha
 
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