LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reactions).

There are days when we don't go because of the minis and doubles tournaments that start a group on every hole and rotate through. Wednesday and Friday at Seawright, Thursdays at Zilker.

Though when the ace pot gets above $300 it gets tempting...
 
Interesting Comment from this article follows below this link:
http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/blog/techflash/2014/10/raleigh-investor-darden-still-bullish-on.html?

"maryyugo (signed in using yahoo)
It's a pity that Mr. Darden isn't concentrating on the skeptics. Or at least examining their concerns. I wish he would vet this experiment and the experimenters with much more care and concern than he has used.

Mr. Rossi has given out a huge stream of conflicting and implausible information for three years on the silly blog he pompously misnamed "The Journal of Nuclear Physics" (ROTFWL!) . Perhaps Mr. Darden doesn't read it? He should! Here is a summary:

http://www.rossilivecat.com/

Mr. Rossi has also performed almost a dozen public demos. Each has featured a different device-- he has NEVER done the same test twice. Early tests left open the possibility of cheating with the use of wet steam when dry steam was claimed. Other tests may have appeared to give positive results because thermocouple temperature measuring sensors were misplaced. Those concerns could have been easily dealt with by blank runs and calibrations but Rossi always refused those in early tests and nobody insisted.

Now, Rossi's tests include blank runs but the blanks are not comparable to the actual tests. And now, it seems as if the possible cheating is by means of the input power measurement rather than the output. The scientists doing the test use clamp on ammeters which are easily fooled by simple wiring tricks such as this one:


Just as important, the tests are not really independent. They are led by Giussepe Levi, a close friend and colleague of Rossi's for many years. And Rossi is always involved -- in the first so-called independent test, Rossi's lab and power source were used. In the second test, Rossi was personally and directly involved in setting up the experiment, switching from the "dummy" run (control) to the active run and removing the ash from the reactor.

Finally, Rossi is a convicted felon in Italy and served jail time. Exactly for what has been argued. But there is no argument that he created a costly environmental disaster with his failed company, Petroldragon. And less than ten years ago, Rossi proposed to make efficient thermoelectric modules for the Department of Defense. There is considerable evidence that the proposal was based on fraud and that no efficient prototypes ever existed. The final modules delivered seemed to be surplus rejects from a San Diego company who bought them in Russia! None worked properly and the project was dropped. The DOD unit which contracted $9 million for this fiasco was so embarrassed by this that they removed their report about it from the internet but you can still read it here:

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/docs/2004Army-ApplicationOfThermoelectricDevices.pdf

And Rossi's criminal past is detailed here:

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/Ros...cial-and-Environmental-Criminal-History.shtml

Why an accomplished industrialist and investor like Mr. Darden trusts this person is very hard for me to understand.

If Mr. Darden or someone from his company wants to discuss this with me, they are welcome to reply here or to send me an email at maryyugo [at symbol] yahoo [dot] com."
 
In Rossi's defence, the Italian court is deemed tortuous at best.
Whether he did much wrong is open to debate,
although he was punished.

My view on him is that he is a showman.
An entertainer almost.
I am amazed at how gullible ostensibly intelligent people can be.
People want to believe in wonders.

This field of study, LENR and cold fusion,
has, I feel, some buried gold.
But Rossi is not the rainbow to follow.
 
krash661 said:
you're the second person i have ever met who plays disc golf.
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Make me the third. I am basically addicted to the sport. Give it a try sometime. I would suggest starting with a putter, or a midrange until you get the hang of how to throw them properly.
 
Alexis said:
It seems Industrial Heat have now become Industrial Heat Inc... and they are the 'Applicant' for the following patent:

http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-adv.html&r=1&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&S1=20140326711.PGNR.&OS=DN/20140326711&RS=DN/20140326711

I know that many of you on this site have blossomed in the 'Garden of the Forking Path'... of logical scepticism, so I await with anticipation your replies on how you envisage this scam to play out.
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This is a patent application, not a granted patent. It remains to be seen whether the US Patent Office grants it, after examination. Inutility is a ground for rejection in the US, I believe.
 
exchemist said:
This is a patent application, not a granted patent,
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I agree, if you read the patent then it is obvious that it is prepared by someone skilled in 'Patent Terminology'... but also that it has a number of errors.
IH Inc have other patents in the wings, and they have the funds to play the competition.
But my question was:
How do you envisage this scam to play out?
 
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Rossi will keep on claiming that something is going to happen next month or next year,
and setting up independent tests, and talking about secret deals.
Until eventually he is so old that he dies.
A few years later, all his experiments and reports will be forgotten.
 
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Andrea Rossi is an employee of Industrial Heat Inc... he will eventually die, and it saddens me to say that my life is also limited... maybe you will live forever?
The applicant for this patent is Industrial Heat Inc, the patent does not become invalid if someone dies.
I reiterate 'How do you envisage this scam to play out?'
 
Alexis said:
Andrea Rossi is an employee of Industrial Heat Inc... he will eventually die, and it saddens me to say that my life is also limited... maybe you will live forever?
The applicant for this patent is Industrial Heat Inc, the patent does not become invalid if someone dies.
I reiterate 'How do you envisage this scam to play out?'
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No indeed, but the patent first has to be granted. Until then it is not a patent, just an application.

And even if granted, which it may well not be, it is only useful if someone makes a working machine. The files of the world's patent offices are full of rejected or abandoned applications and with granted patents that were never commercialised.

Regarding how the "scam" plays out, I can only speculate, but I think the most likely evolution of this saga is that it will die out gradually, as people gradually lose faith that there will ever be either a commercial device or a theory explaining its supposed mode of operation. As I believe I have indicated previously, I am not sure that this is a typical "scam" in the sense of a means of fraudulently enriching Rossi et al. I think he could well be someone caught up in the skeins of an idea that doesn't work and who can't bear to admit it.

He looks nuts to me.
 
Alexis said:
Andrea Rossi is an employee of Industrial Heat Inc... he will eventually die, and it saddens me to say that my life is also limited... maybe you will live forever?
The applicant for this patent is Industrial Heat Inc, the patent does not become invalid if someone dies.
I reiterate 'How do you envisage this scam to play out?'
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I think the captain hit the nail on the head. The driver of the scam is Rossi, when he is gone the scam will fad into oblivion like so many others.
 
Rossi is like the leader of a religion.
You have to believe in the e-cat.

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I have checked up on Industrial Heat, and it doesn't look like Rossi has any controlling interest in it.
Yes, Alexis, an interesting and surprising development.
It's a pity Kwhillborn isn't here any more.
He would enjoy this.

This is the manager's profile:
Mr. Thomas Francis Darden, II, J.D., also known as Tom, serves as a Managing Principal at Sovereign's Capital. Mr. Darden serves as Executive Officer at Cherokee Challenge 2012, LLC. He serves as the Chief Executive Officer and Founder of Cherokee Investment Partners, LLC. He is the Founder of Cherokee Property Foundation and Cherokee Sanford Group. He is the Founder Cherokee Sanford Group and was its Chairman for 16 years since 1984. He serves as a Founding Partner of Cherokee Equity Holdings. Mr. Darden serves as the Manager, President, and Director at Industrial Heat, LLC. He is overseeing more than $2 billion in assets under management. He is seasoned private equity investment professional with more than 20 years of experience running successful funds in groundbreaking industries He utilizes both private equity and internal venture capital to generate social, environmental and economic returns. From 1981 to 1983, he was a Consultant at Bain & Company Inc. He served as a Partner of Oberlin Capital. He was an Environmental Planner of Korea Institute of Science & Technology. He also worked in Seoul, Korea under a Luce Scholarship. He has been a Director of Winston Hotels, Inc. since May 25, 1994. He serves as a Member of Advisory Board of Rex Health Ventures and Rex Strategic Innovations. He is a Member of Advisory Board of Lookout Capital, LLC. Mr. Darden also serves on the Board of Governors of Research Triangle Institute in Research Triangle Park. He is on the Boards of Woodberry Forest School, Shaw University, National Brownfield Association and the University of North Carolina's environmental department. He serves on the Boards of Crown Financial Ministries, Shaw University and the Environmental Defense Fund. He served as a Director of BTI Telecom Corp., Waste Industries USA Inc. and First Commonwealth Corporation. He served as a Director of UTG Inc. from 2001 to August 9, 2013. He was the Chairman of the Research Triangle Transit Authority and served two terms on the N.C. Board of Transportation through appointments by the Governor and the Speaker of the House. He served as a Director at Consert, Inc., Nicholas School of the Environment and Earth Sciences, Cherokee Challenge 2012, LLC and Mi-Co, LLC. Mr. Darden earned a J.D. from Yale Law School, a Master of Regional Planning in Environmental Planning from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and a B.A. from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, where he was a Morehead Scholar.
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http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=667831

Is it definite that Industrial Heat LLC has taken over the e-cat?
You said Industrial Heat Inc.
Is that the same company?

Added later.
According to this article, yes.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Industrial_Heat,_LLC

I won't put my crow on order for eating just yet, but the company is a big one.
 
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This is a great thread.
Just when you think it is completely sewn up and dead, something new happens.
I wish the previous version that disappeared could be recovered.
There was a massive amount of input on that thread,
and it went back years.
 
Captain Kremmen said:
I have checked up on Industrial Heat, and it doesn't look like Rossi has any controlling interest in it.
Yes, Alexis, an interesting and surprising development.
It's a pity Kwhillborn isn't here any more.
He would enjoy this.

This is the manager's profile:


http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=667831

Is it definite that Industrial Heat LLC has taken over the e-cat?
You said Industrial Heat Inc.
Is that the same company?

Added later.
According to this article, yes.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Industrial_Heat,_LLC

I won't put my crow on order for eating just yet, but the company is a big one.
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Indeed, I would avoid jumping to conclusions. I made the point, on the old, now deleted thread, that some R&D companies have a strategy of spending a few dollars here and there on intellectual property rights to wild and wacky things, just in case a small proportion of them turn out to have something real about them. It may be that Rossi has sold the rights to this sufficiently cheaply for them think it is worth a punt. And for Rossi, an elegant way of getting at least some financial reward for all his "work".

So I don't believe developments such as this really tell us anything new about the true likelihood of there being something real behind the supposed invention.
 
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