Is Islam shallow for using sex in heaven as it’s main draw for Muslim men?

Greatest I am,

I enjoyed reading the thread beginning very much. Haha sew that I am drawn to ponder about draw of sex. Sexual tantra is a popular experientiality for many, Mah, I like writers tantra.. I guess I like the introduction of the word scence into the English language to help solve a lot of sensual ignorances.

Common scence.
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Greatest I am said:
Source please.

Regards
DL
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You spoke of a majority not changing it's mind. I replied that majorities ALWAYS change their mind. Isn't this obvious ? How else are governments changed other than by election ?

So far is Islam is concerned, there are about 1.7B Muslims on the planet - nearly one quarter of the earths population. Islam is 'trans' government IMO. Muslims are controlled first and foremost by their religion. I'm not saying that all 1.7B of them are radicals, but it only takes a tiny percentage of radicals to spearhead the rest (left unchecked). Personally, I prefer our current system of democracy, freedom and capitalism (warts and all) as opposed to a world wide Caliphate.

Also I have it on repeated personal observation and experience that Muslims are the MOST prone to radicalisation in defense of their religion than any other group BY FAR, and are the first to disregard the law of the land. Sorry if this doesn't fit with your rosey coloured view, but that's my observations.
 
Anew said:
Greatest I am,

I enjoyed reading the thread beginning very much. Haha sew that I am drawn to ponder about draw of sex. Sexual tantra is a popular experientiality for many, Mah, I like writers tantra.. I guess I like the introduction of the word scence into the English language to help solve a lot of sensual ignorances.

Common scence.
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I'm pleased you enjoyed it.

Regards
DL
 
Lakon said:
You spoke of a majority not changing it's mind. I replied that majorities ALWAYS change their mind. Isn't this obvious ? How else are governments changed other than by election ?

So far is Islam is concerned, there are about 1.7B Muslims on the planet - nearly one quarter of the earths population. Islam is 'trans' government IMO. Muslims are controlled first and foremost by their religion. I'm not saying that all 1.7B of them are radicals, but it only takes a tiny percentage of radicals to spearhead the rest (left unchecked). Personally, I prefer our current system of democracy, freedom and capitalism (warts and all) as opposed to a world wide Caliphate.

Also I have it on repeated personal observation and experience that Muslims are the MOST prone to radicalisation in defense of their religion than any other group BY FAR, and are the first to disregard the law of the land. Sorry if this doesn't fit with your rosey coloured view, but that's my observations.
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We likely will not agree on much do to tour views of what we actually are in political terms.

"I prefer our current system of democracy, freedom and capitalism".

[video=youtube;-14SllPPLxY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-14SllPPLxY[/video]

I think we all live in Oligarchies and have for most of history and that those who think we live in democracies are blind to reality and have swallowed the Noble Lie of religion and government.

Muslims are the extremes or religion. No doubt.
They still vote for secular laws when given the chance.

Regards
DL
 
Greatest I am said:
We likely will not agree on much do to tour views of what we actually are in political terms.

"I prefer our current system of democracy, freedom and capitalism".

[video=youtube;-14SllPPLxY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-14SllPPLxY[/video]

I think we all live in Oligarchies and have for most of history and that those who think we live in democracies are blind to reality and have swallowed the Noble Lie of religion and government.

Muslims are the extremes or religion. No doubt.
They still vote for secular laws when given the chance.

Regards
DL
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I didn't watch the video as..

a) I am low on bandwidth,

b) I don't normally do discussion by UTube. I can probably find another diametrically opposed to yours. What then ?

In any event, I can surmise - it was a critisism of the so called democratic / capitalist system, right ? We're all basically slaves to the oligarchs, right ?

I would agree. I've always believed and said that whatever the guise, the world was, is, and will be, a plutocracy. We are slaves to the system, and perhaps better more complete slaves than in the past, because then, at least, they knew it. Best kind of slave I would say, is one who doesn't know that he / she is one.

That said I would rather be a slave in a so called capitalist democracy than in an Islamic Caliphate, would't you ?

Edit; Or did you have some Utopia in mind ?
 
I can easily entice a flock to move using food, a common lure. It would take something extra to urge a member to actually step away or do something out of character from the group, so its hardly shallow. In fact it involves a well conceived strategy, a psychological game of wits designed to influence the receptive mind. If sex works then by all means use it to your benefit. Just a tool in the bag.
 
Greatest I am said:
Would you like to live in Eden without the wisdom that comes from knowing good and evil?

I hope not.

Have you seen the 1960 version of The Time Traveler?

Do you remember how at the river scene, the people were going to let a young girl die because they were to ignorant to know that saving her was the right thing to do.
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A movie is a movie and the Eden story is a story. We didn't learn the difference between good and evil by eating fruit. We don't need to learn to save a life at all. It's an instinct that comes from the evolutionary need to preserve the species. In comparison, "wisdom" s second-rate.
 
Lakon said:
I didn't watch the video as..

a) I am low on bandwidth,

b) I don't normally do discussion by UTube. I can probably find another diametrically opposed to yours. What then ?

In any event, I can surmise - it was a critisism of the so called democratic / capitalist system, right ? We're all basically slaves to the oligarchs, right ?

I would agree. I've always believed and said that whatever the guise, the world was, is, and will be, a plutocracy. We are slaves to the system, and perhaps better more complete slaves than in the past, because then, at least, they knew it. Best kind of slave I would say, is one who doesn't know that he / she is one.

That said I would rather be a slave in a so called capitalist democracy than in an Islamic Caliphate, would't you ?

Edit; Or did you have some Utopia in mind ?
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There are more than two choices.

Regards
DL
 
PsychoticEpisode said:
I can easily entice a flock to move using food, a common lure. It would take something extra to urge a member to actually step away or do something out of character from the group, so its hardly shallow. In fact it involves a well conceived strategy, a psychological game of wits designed to influence the receptive mind. If sex works then by all means use it to your benefit. Just a tool in the bag.
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And morals be damned in a religion and system of governance.

Regards
DL
 
Greatest I am said:
A Timocratic system would be nice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timocracy

Land owner translates to taxpayer in todays description of that word.

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DL
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I'm sure you read through the Wiki page you linked. Then you would have seen that that too, ultimately defaults to plutocracy.

Solon introduced the ideas of timokratia as a graded oligarchy in his Solonian Constitution for Athens in the early 6th century BCE. His was the first known deliberately implemented form of timocracy, allocating political rights and economic responsibility depending on membership of one of four tiers of the population. Solon defined these tiers by measuring how many bushels of produce each man could produce in a year, namely:
-Pentacosiomedimni - "Men of the 500 bushel", those who produced 500 bushels of produce per year, could serve as generals in the army
-Hippeis - Knights, those who could equip themselves and one cavalry horse for war, valued at 300 bushels per year
-Zeugitae - Tillers, owners of at least one pair of beasts of burden, valued at 200 bushels per year, could serve as Hoplites
-Thetes - Manual laborers

Nice though - a darn sight better than an Islamic Caliphate ..
 
The theory goes that way for sure but with the intelligence we have today I think we could make it work.

The middle is getting tired of having both ends sucking on it's tits.

Regards
DL
 
Greatest I am said:
The theory goes that way for sure but with the intelligence we have today I think we could make it work.
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If you're saying that the intelligence we have today will make a plutocracy work, I disagree. I would say that plutocracy has ALWAYS been the case. This is moving away from the thread subject however.

The middle is getting tired of having both ends sucking on it's tits.
Regards
DL
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Someones always sucking on someones tits.

(and what about those 72 virgins ? .. imagine their cute little titties :) )
 
Lakon said:
If you're saying that the intelligence we have today will make a plutocracy work, I disagree. I would say that plutocracy has ALWAYS been the case. This is moving away from the thread subject however.



Someones always sucking on someones tits.

(and what about those 72 virgins ? .. imagine their cute little titties :) )
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Yep. Man's destiny.

To go about with a pacifier infinitely in his mouth. Allah be praised. Not.

Regards
DL
 
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