Is evolution actually possible?

[gamelord]

Possibly in a gang-rape, but not as a rule. Individuals don't carry all the genes of their species. Each individual has a number of dominant characteristics that are evident, and these are what make them attractive to others of their species. Recessive characteristics may show up in some or all of their offspring - then those traits will help determine the eligibility of the offspring when they come of reproductive age: if the gene combination is unsuccessful, that individual will have fewer opportunities to compete that a more successful sibling.
There is nothing random about mate selection: every species has strict rules on how to go about it.

I've been researching genetic drift, and it seems iffy, like my views on evolution. Without evolution, it would imply things only magically come into existence, which doesn't seem as logical. But the mechanics of evolution seem a bit iffy to me.


When you say individuals don't carry the all genes of their species, it seems iffy. The only thing that would make sense, is if individuals did not carry all the genes of their parents. In this way, a tall person would have a more significant chance of passing on only tall genes.

And here is the other kicker...it implies that genes "stack" on themselves. Like as if, genes are a computer code variable, for example a variable called var_height, and if var_height is set to 7 it can be more probable it will be set to either 6 or 8. That sounds ridiculous to me.

An easier explanation is that certain genes are dormant in the body, and based on our life choices (after we are born) we can modify our own genetics, DNA, micro-tubules, and affect our own sperm after we are already out of the womb. In this way, evolution would seem more plausible.

 

[Kittamaru]

Yes and this sounds like my "instant evolution" bit I said earlier, it sounds like you are comparing 20 foot necks to 2 inch necks. They said instant evolution is impossible.

So I say, what is the advantage of a giraffe that has a neck 2 inches longer than everyone else? It is the comparison between a billionaire who has 1.4 billion vs. a billionairre who has 1.5 billion. The main factors would not be that the billionairre has a 0.1 extra billion dollars. The main reproductive factors would be, testosterone, how confident he is, if he has the right pheromones, body health, mental health, physical appearance, etc.

You'd be surprised the difference something as little as two inches can make...

... or maybe not?

With giraffes, the main reproductive factors would not be, a neck 2 inches longer but, testosterone, pheromones, physical strength, bone density, personality, etc.

And certainly you, as an educated and certified biologist, are capable of making this determination?

Even gathering apples, or twigs, or whatever...the higher testosterone giraffe with a shorter neck, and more body strength and bone density, would gather more.

Of course - because the fact that, during a famine, they couldn't reach the food to gather it wouldn't be an issue.

This is a side issue...a tangent. It doesn't matter if it's apples, oranges, apricots, or leaves and twigs, it's the same concept.

It is the issue, because it showcases a stunning lack of understanding of the subject animal and/or a complete lack research into it.

Yes I am aware of birds gathering jewels to attract females. I watched a documentary about it last week.
But its a further complication and a side issue, a tangent.

So... the fact that some animals have utterly blown your theory out of the water is somehow irrelevant? Interesting...

 

[Kittamaru]

Why do you need to make a counter argument? You asked a question and I answered it. The answer is not my opinion, it is simply the answer in the context of evolution theory.

Because facts aren't facts anymore... this is the world we, unfortunately, seem to live in.

God have mercy...

 

[gamelord]

Of course - because the fact that, during a famine, they couldn't reach the food to gather it wouldn't be an issue.

I asked to give me some time to think about it, but everyone is simply too rude to give me that courtesy, apparently I have to debate them immediately rather than having time to think about the arguments more carefully. FYI I made a rushed response to it, due to popular demand.
FYI your exact post was made in #7, by origin, and it is litterally 2 posts underneath your posts so you are being redundant.

It is the issue, because it showcases a stunning lack of understanding of the subject animal and/or a complete lack research into it.

The issue is, not being able to use abstract concepts, because everyone wants to drag everything down to a level of concrete accuracy. What's next, criticizing whether or not I use latin, or if I make a typo?

So... the fact that some animals have utterly blown your theory out of the water is somehow irrelevant? Interesting...

The bird thing did not blow my theory out of the water at all, how did it? I wasn't focused on it, neutral towards it, didn't get to it yet.

 

[gamelord]

Because facts aren't facts anymore... this is the world we, unfortunately, seem to live in.

God have mercy...

Do you understand the difference between facts, theories, and probabilities?

And if you believe in evolution, then why would you say a thing like "God have mercy".

 

[iceaura]

So I say, what is the advantage of a giraffe that has a neck 2 inches longer than everyone else? - - - The main reproductive factors would be, testosterone, how confident he is, if he has the right pheromones, body health, mental health, physical appearance, etc

So the hard times come, and the giraffes with the best health make it, and a couple of those with longer necks make it - and so they make babies with each other. What's your prediction?

I am defining it on their own terms.

No, you aren't.

Evolution says life has been around for 3.8 billions of years

No, it doesn't. Dating of biological traces in rocks says that.
Quit trying to tell people what their theories are, how they work, and what they say

The only thing I heard, was that some bacteria evolved the ability to do citrate, after 31,500 generations.

Restricting the discussion to what you have already heard about and understand would shorten it considerably, which would be good, but unlikely to answer your question.
The answer, btw, is "yes".

The issue is, not being able to use abstract concepts, because everyone wants to drag everything down to a level of concrete accuracy.

That concrete accuracy thing is a nuisance, true. Lotta work.
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Possibly in a gang-rape, but not as a rule.

Sperm competition is a likely factor in human evolution, as indicated by various physiological features ordinarily associated with it.

 

[Jeeves]

I've been researching genetic drift, and it seems iffy, like my views on evolution.

Iffy. Right.

 

[exchemist]

And if you believe in evolution, then why would you say a thing like "God have mercy".

Utter non-sequitur.

 

[gamelord]

Utter non-sequitur.

It is but so is claiming that apples, leaves or apricots matter.

Also, so is the comment about "actually". As if it has any bearing on anything, actually.

 

[gamelord]

So the hard times come, and the giraffes with the best health make it, and a couple of those with longer necks make it - and so they make babies with each other. What's your prediction?

See my post about gene stacking, and how it seems iffy to me. Use CTRL+F and search "var_height" (without the quotes.)

No, it doesn't. Dating of biological traces in rocks says that.
Quit trying to tell people what their theories are, how they work, and what they say

Google, and many evolutionists say it's 3.8 billion years. Make up your mind, is rock-dating reliable or unreliable. If their numbers are unreliable then the whole foundation of evolution is shaky to begin with.

Restricting the discussion to what you have already heard about and understand would shorten it considerably, which would be good, but unlikely to answer your question.
The answer, btw, is "yes".

Well if you have any more examples other than the 31,500 gen bacteria I'd like to hear them.

Sperm competition is a likely factor in human evolution, as indicated by various physiological features ordinarily associated with it.

My point is the factors that decide whether a sperm succeeds are not the same factors that decide whether the sperm will be fit with it's environment habitat.

 

[Yazata]

Because facts aren't facts anymore... this is the world we, unfortunately, seem to live in.

God have mercy...

The way I see it facts are just objective states of affairs in the world that we all share in common. But...

Problems start to arise when people disagree about what those states of affairs are. More difficulties arise when people start describing the states of affairs, since that's going to involve selecting features that the speaker wants to emphasize. And people often end up going completely off the rails when they start to tell other people what's important about the state of affairs, how it relates to other states of affairs, when they make value judgments about it, and when they announce the conclusions that they believe everybody else should draw from it.

So in real life, it's often very difficult to separate facts from interpretations.

 

[Yazata]

And if you believe in evolution, then why would you say a thing like "God have mercy".

Believing in the truth of biological evolution isn't the same thing as atheism. Many/most people happily believe in both God and biological evolution.

 

[sideshowbob]

The only thing I heard, was that some bacteria evolved the ability to do citrate, after 31,500 generations. Interesting, but also pretty lame.

See, there you go. You dismiss an important discovery without understanding its importance.

 

[akoreamerican]

The only thing I heard, was that some bacteria evolved the ability to do citrate, after 31,500 generations. Interesting, but also pretty lame.

Maybe you should show more respect to knowledge that other people have contributed. I'm sure you feel very knowledgeable being able to use the internet at the push of a button, but what have you contributed to this vast source of information?
We sometimes mistake our knowledge as something we earned but the work was mostly done by other people, most of the time we are just passive receivers. I hope you are not confusing the achievements of all of humanity for your own.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

"...it wastes your time and annoys the pig."

 

[Jeeves]

"...it wastes your time and annoys the pig."

What if annoying pigs is my idea of inexpensive fun?
Guess I'd be evil....

 

[TheFrogger]

What about finger and toe-nails? Could they be considered horns?

Evolution states that a creature must survive to reproduction age so the genes may be inherited. What about a mule? They are infertile. Some other animals are also infertile.

 

[Jeeves]

What about finger and toe-nails? Could they be considered horns?

No, but they make hopelessly inadequate hooves.

Evolution states that a creature must survive to reproduction age so the genes may be inherited. What about a mule? They are infertile. Some other animals are also infertile.

Hybrids are usually infertile. Hybrids didn't evolve.

 

[iceaura]

See my post about gene stacking, and how it seems iffy to me.

Your "gene stacking" is a confused idea. Nobody's talking about it. The case in front of you was one of two representatives of a given species, each harboring a different beneficial mutation or three, breeding. Do your standard little crossbreeding analysis, look at the answer.

Google, and many evolutionists say it's 3.8 billion years.

That's because they believe the researchers who found biological remains in old rocks. So?
And the word you are looking for is not "evolutionist" - it's "biologist".

Well if you have any more examples other than the 31,500 gen bacteria I'd like to hear them.

You send other people on silly Google searches for bs, you can do your own on serious matters.
(That's an easy one - won't take you ten minutes)

My point is the factors that decide whether a sperm succeeds are not the same factors that decide whether the sperm will be fit with it's environment habitat.

Yes, they are. Consider what the "environment habitat" of a sperm is.

 

[Kittamaru]

Do you understand the difference between facts, theories, and probabilities?

And if you believe in evolution, then why would you say a thing like "God have mercy".

Why must creation /God and evolution be mutually exclusive especially viewed through the lens of time?