Is being clever the same as being smart?

[Jeeves]

[relevance of "use the lie of being honest" - whatever that means]

social rules
Etiquette
Customs

Those exist to keep people from hitting one another more often than they do, but do not explain your cryptic line.

the intent to entertain which you outlined,

I didn't outline that

being a charm aspect but more aligned with being a comic relief

Not necessarily. Some people are charming, some people are funny, without any particular intent. And some people are good teachers because they have a facility for communicating ideas in a way that doesn't bore other people.

using words to belay a concept by offering an alternative to seek the audience to not believe the other meaning
deception

Using words to convey meaning tends to be more productive.

i am not suggesting the thread author has nefarious intent,

Then i don't know what this is, or what prompted it:

the thread author is clearly showing trait's of narcissistic normalization

to define a topic for discussion offering an either or elicits a specific range of results to come in line to a pre-conceived intended meaning.

Intention is not result. We do not yet know either.

this in its self is manipulation using terms to change the subject nature definition

You're free to change them - as you, indeed, have - (------- ----- --------- -- --- ---).

Yes, lots of things are done by lots of people for lots of reasons.
Yes, there are both autistic people and narcissists.
Yes, lots of people desire lots of things, and we don't always guess correctly.
Yes, people also have biases.

unraveling ones implicit bias is a key

To what??

extremely confronting and often resulting in mental breakdowns and best done with a professional psychologist

and preferably in private consultation, rather than public forum

complex psychological discussion of the nature of human mind is not something seen on this forum in general

Not general, no.
probably for the best, all in all

 

[Jeeves]

Clever can also mean bright, alert, healthy, vigorous, or skilled in some speciality such as a craft, or versed in an area of knowledge, such as ornithology. Smart can also mean natty, well-groomed, well-dressed, or quick and nimble of body, or someone who talks back to his elders.
Over the centuries, words in common usage tend to collect different meanings, especially if they're part of language that travels across oceans and continents and bestraddles several cultures.

 

[iceaura]

German proverb:

"Too clever is dumb"

A translation, but German and English are close enough to catch the nuance, probably.

 

[Michael 345]

"Too clever is dumb"

Certainly being to clever can lead to being told

"Nobody likes a smart arse"

Agree - bit dumb

 

[geordief]

Is self awareness (=awareness of one's limitations?) an important part of intelligence ....and is the ability to learn from mistakes also an important factor?

For me "smart" might include those capabilities more than "clever" (both can be used derogatively and their meaning can be extremely subjective anyway)

Edit: forgot to mention self belief,which often gets a mention.

 

[Seattle]

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using words to belay a concept by offering an alternative to seek the audience to not believe the other meaning
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I don't think you know what "belay" means.

 

[sideshowbob]

But could someone lack intelligence and still come across as clever? Hmm.

https://etc.usf.edu/lit2go/175/grimms-fairy-tales/3102/clever-elsie/

 

[Jeeves]

According to the dictionary, one of the synonyms for clever is “intelligent.” But could someone lack intelligence and still come across as clever? Hmm.

If you're capable of making a judgment regarding someone's intelligence, you have some intelligence.
Someone who is a little smarter, a little quicker on the uptake, better informed, more practiced at solving a particular kind of problem, in possession of facts outside your knowledge-base, or simply more articulate and confident would come across as clever.
It's a not matter of haves and have-nots, but of degrees, quantities and types.

 

[Beer w/Straw]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[Jeeves]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Are you sure?
'Coz there's well over a Hundred Billion Dollars of Americans' money, spent on cosmetic surgery, beauty products and fashion that sez beauty is in the merchandise. B cheaper to buy new glasses for everybody.

 

[Seattle]

Is the Pope Catholic? Just asking for a friend.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

Are you sure?
'Coz there's well over a Hundred Billion Dollars of Americans' money, spent on cosmetic surgery, beauty products and fashion that sez beauty is in the merchandise. B cheaper to buy new glasses for everybody.

boobs n noses

women are lucky they only need to get a nose job and that they can buy
men are unlucky they need to get a nice personality and that they cant buy

 

[Acitnoids]

My intention for this thread was purely innocent. I had in mind the example of my stepfather. He is a very clever and witty man.

This gives him a level of respect based on wit, not intelligence. He is likeable, he is welcoming, he is charismatic and he is also as dumb as a door nail.

For people he meets he comes across as a person of interest because of his wit but, he doesn't know the difference between left or right.

I will ask again. Does being cleaver or being witty equal being smart? Both have intelligence.

My answer is no but most of society would confuse the difference between wit and being smart.

 

[Acitnoids]

Is self awareness (=awareness of one's limitations?) an important part of intelligence ....and is the ability to learn from mistakes also an important factor?

For me "smart" might include those capabilities more than "clever" (both can be used derogatively and their meaning can be extremely subjective anyway)

Edit: forgot to mention self belief,which often gets a mention.

I do not know which is why I am asking.

 

[Jeeves]

My intention for this thread was purely innocent. I had in mind the example of my stepfather. He is a very clever and witty man.

I cannot imagine genuine wit without intelligence.
The only way a stupid person could carry that off is by rote - that is, memorizing the witty sayings of more intelligent people - and even then, it would only last a very short time, because he could not adapt the conversation to unexpected topics.
If he's clever, he's not stupid, though he might be ignorant.

he doesn't know the difference between left or right.

Whichever you mean, neither a sense of direction nor an interest in politics is indicative of intelligence.
Neither does you like or dislike say anything about either your or their intelligence.

Does being cleaver or being witty equal being smart? Both have intelligence.

You just said he was dumb.
You have your own answer, but I suspect it's based on misconstruction of word definitions.

 

[Seattle]

boobs n noses

women are lucky they only need to get a nose job and that they can buy
men are unlucky they need to get a nice personality and that they cant buy

Women can have that same need. Sometimes a good personality isn't needed because of looks. Looks fade and now they need a good personality which they have never developed.

Men generally have to have good personalities from the start.

 

[wegs]

lol *smh*

 

[sideshowbob]

I cannot imagine genuine wit without intelligence.
The only way a stupid person could carry that off is by rote - that is, memorizing the witty sayings of more intelligent people - and even then, it would only last a very short time, because he could not adapt the conversation to unexpected topics.

What about Chance in Being There? I guess you could say he memorized witty sayings from TV but his "wit" was mostly in the perception of his audience.

 

[iceaura]

If you're capable of making a judgment regarding someone's intelligence, you have some intelligence.

By anecdote circulating in the physics departments of a couple of colleges a few years ago, there used to be an informal measure of relative intelligence among theoretical physicists that worked thus: One (you) met Paul Dirac (anywhere, under any auspices) and conversed with him. After a while, you realized that Dirac was more intelligent than yourself. The faster you came to realize that - the less time of direct interaction it took - the more intelligent you were.

If anyone in the modern world has filled Dirac's role in that respect, I don't know who they are.

men are unlucky they need to get a nice personality and that they cant buy

Men generally have to have good personalities from the start.

Men can buy women directly, rather than dealing with the cosmetics, personality, or other indirect approaches. That's more expensive, but less trouble - one needn't develop an adult personality at all.

 

[wegs]

Bells, where are you? Are you reading this? ^^ lol

Case in point, from the other thread.