Iran seizes 15 British troops in Persian Gulf
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The Brits have no place being in Iraq or Iran, to begin with.
And if they are intent on being world police perhaps they should start at home.
UK guns in al-Qaeda hands
I have a great deal of respect for them, Sam. They believe wholeheartedly in themselves and what they are doing, and the West is in the process of losing its sense of identity. That contrast in strength of mind is clear.
As much as you preach that Islamic nations are the "same as us" underneath, I do not believe they are. I don't particularly like the way the western world is heading, but I think it is simply a matter of preferring one evil over another - an Islamic world would be truly horrendous. The world I live in is tolerant of my existence. An Islamic one would be far less so.
That is why I dislike them - their beliefs. But I respect their will and strength of purpose, their sense of identity, far above our own.
As much as you preach that Islamic nations are the "same as us" underneath, I do not believe they are. I don't particularly like the way the western world is heading, but I think it is simply a matter of preferring one evil over another - an Islamic world would be truly horrendous. The world I live in is tolerant of my existence. An Islamic one would be far less so.
That is why I dislike them - their beliefs. But I respect their will and strength of purpose, their sense of identity, far above our own.
I think you confuse the "colorful" Muslims with the Muslim world.
Educated Muslims are far far more tolerant and laissez faire. And all these notions of an Islamic world are as hilarious to us as the Rapture and Armageddon are to educated Christians.
And you're right, the sense of identity is much stronger among Muslims. Which is why, regardless of all the ballyhoo, people don't understand that the Sunni-Shia is a fight of political supremacy, not religious ideology.
And truly, underneath, they are all the same. I've lived among the supposedly worst. And found them to be no different.
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Yes, well I have said before that the best thing to do with the Middle East is simply find an alternative to oil and leave them to it with no means of holding the industrialised world to ransom.
However, the west seems intent on doing things the hard way, and unfortunately haven't the resolve to do it properly.
As a result, the West look like idiots, the middle east is a quagmire of even worse idiots, and the planet is general is gasping for breath.
You'd be surprised how many in the ME think the same.
http://muttawa.blogspot.com/2005/12/religious-policeman-faq.html
Yes, just read it. Snap, as they say.
But sharia is not so hilarious; neither do we find dhimmitude amusing. Your "sense of identity" below translates into oppression for non-muslims. This is unacceptable.
Well, that's an interesting perspective, Sam: but until religious law in the ME is renounced, our societies are not the same, and cannot be compared. Your habitation among the worst that you found the same seemingly ignored a man sentenced to death for conversion away from islam. Perhaps you missed these sorts of laws as you prowled the marketplaces, searching out radicalism to be exposed to the withering light of complete indifference.
No more than supporting dictators or arming insurgents is.
Good, you can start by boycotting the ME dictators and those who support them.
But of course domestic sharia is not derived from these things; nor has it ever been. It is not really an excuse, Sam.
Otherwise the dhimmis must stay down? Which dictators were being paid off by the West in the 1300 years prior to this century just past?
Discussed this before. Egypt for example wants to ban political groups formed on religious grounds and the West is worried that this restricts freedom of expression. Is that what you mean?
You mean while the rest of the West was burning witches and Jews?
You mean while the rest of the West was burning witches and Jews?
maybe more in the sense that muslims blow up in suicide bombings and shout death to america/israel, and go on public forums saying they are from india and try to sell it as in its your fault were like this.
maybe more in the sense that muslims blow up in suicide bombings and shout death to america/israel, and go on public forums saying they are from india and try to sell it as in its your fault were like this.
All this happened in the 1300 years prior to this century past?
unless they had internet back then, no. surprising you dont deny any of my arguments.
How does this relate to the issue of sharia I just brought up? Which political-religious groups? The Brotherhood? What are you relating to?
Tu tuoque, and not very good tu tuoque either. Are we still doing the above? Is it written into our consitutive law? Is it written into the religious texts of the Western world, in contrast to the Quran? Do we stone women to death for adultery? Hang sixteen year old girls for the crime of being raped by their uncles? Imprison or kill those that change religion? When was the last murder of a muslim in the West for being muslim? Is it comparable to the murder rate of non-muslims in islamic nations?And here I'd been told for years of the great tolerance of dar-al-islam for minorities. So much for that, I suppose.
ill make it easy so you can understand:
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That change is happening, whether you think so or not.
Nope, but neither were the ME burning Jews then.
Exactly, so the tolerance has been overshadowed by oppression and suppression by leaders supported by the West, not eliminated by the people themselves.
Well right now, it is the US that is training Shia militants in Iraq and funding Sunni insurgents in Iran. They have no power today, but this is being changed as we speak, so who is responsible for what they will do tomorrow?
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as if the iranians never supported terrorists. but if its iran thats ok, they are muslims arent they?