Iran seizes 15 British troops in Persian Gulf

samcdkey said:
Well the Balochis are migratory hicks in Pakistan and Afghanistan too. They live in the most arid areas of Iran, mostly in the mountains and are known to be similar to the mountainous people of Afghanistan. If you know anything about those people, you should know that when they are not fighting the government they are fighting each other; they have fierce tribe loyalties and tend to identify themselves with their clans. I think you know very little about the people you are claiming to support.
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So now you're resorting to the demonization of your perceived class-opponent in order to justify Iranian oil-driven fascism. Dehumanizing the Baluchis will not excuse your blood-soaked Iranian oil machine. What does the aridity of their chosen environment have to do with this argument? More cultural supremacism. Today the Baluchis, tomorrow the Kurds.

Frankly, left to themselves, they are more likely to tend to extremism, it is better for them and their future to assimilate with the other people of Iran rather than turn into another Taliban.
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The first act of any colonialist is to justify their colonialism.
 
GeoffP said:
So now you're resorting to the demonization of your perceived class-opponent in order to justify Iranian oil-driven fascism. Dehumanizing the Baluchis will not excuse your blood-soaked Iranian oil machine. What does the aridity of their chosen environment have to do with this argument? More cultural supremacism. Today the Baluchis, tomorrow the Kurds.



The first act of any colonialist is to justify their colonialism.
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Sorry we have to disagree here; I am familiar with the Balochis and the Iranians and I frankly would discourage any formation of Balochistan on the sole basis of the effect on women and the education of children.
 
samcdkey said:
Duh! There are Maoists protesting against oppression from the Indian government too. Its not so much the government but the underdevelopment in these areas which causes this strife.
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Duh! It's the government that's responsible for the underdevelopment! Probably motivated by tin-cup capitalists in New Dehli, eagerly sucking at the teat of the sickly prolitarian cow of the undeveloped zones. And what has this to do with the heroic and oppressed Baluchi peasantry struggling heroically against the occupying Iranian army? Bugger all, that's what. :bugeye:
 
samcdkey said:
Sorry we have to disagree here; I am familiar with the Balochis and the Iranians and I frankly would discourage any formation of Balochistan on the sole basis of the effect on women and the education of children.
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So your "familiarity" with the Balochis leads you to conclude that they are -what? too stupid to form a revolutionary government? More colonialist rhetoric, coupled with argument from false authority.
 
GeoffP said:
So your "familiarity" with the Balochis leads you to conclude that they are -what? too stupid to form a revolutionary government? More colonialist rhetoric, coupled with argument from false authority.
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Rather a familiarity with the more extreme forms of Islamist politics.:p
 
That's the point, Ghost - that it's one rule for the infidel Amerikee in Iraq, and another entirely for the Iranians in Baluchistan, and the Turks and Iraqis in Kurdistan. Strangely enough, some of the posters on here seem to accept that rule implicitly. I'm curious as to why.
 
madanthonywayne said:
I saw a guy on the news yesterday who predicted this would happen any day now. He said the whole purpose of this episode was to test our/the Brits resolve. We failed the test,

Iran now knows it can do whatever the fuck it wants and the only consequence will be ......nothing.
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I'm under the impression that they released the prisoners because of fear from a military response.
 
Isn't it odd that the Iranian's have not even attempted to take any American soldiers/sailors hostage? There is a very good reason why, and it certainly isn't because we haven't crossed their "borders".

Great, the British negotiated their release... I wonder what was given to Iran in exchange for their lives.

All I can say is, "Peace in our time."

~String
 
Zakariya04 said:
Dear All,

I have read the thread with intyerest

not sure whetehr anyone has asked this..

but where abouts was the HMS cornwall, do these infaltable boats go miles away from their mothership or what.

i would have thought the HMS cornwall would have been able to track anyIranian ships coming near the ship these guys were inspecting.

Where was the cornwall???????

Is the cornwall a powerfull ship? could its presenece have worried the iranians? I dont get this at all.

no one has mentioned what support the cornwall could have given the inspection party.

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take it ez
zak
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Dear All,

Hows it going

Good news that the 15 british military personel have been released.

However it only seems now that the authorities are looking into the sort of questions i was asking on page 4 as above.

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take it ez
zak
 
That's the point, Ghost - that it's one rule for the infidel Amerikee in Iraq, and another entirely for the Iranians in Baluchistan, and the Turks and Iraqis in Kurdistan. Strangely enough, some of the posters on here seem to accept that rule implicitly. I'm curious as to why.

You’re basing this on a ‘Muslims’ perspective? Why does that matter so much to you?

I don’t know if you’re being serious though, I find it hard to believe especially since you’re always condemning Muslims and Islamic countries. I know you want Amrika to pull its troops out of Iraq, do you then want them sent into Iran? Is this some sort of game you’re playing? from where I’m sitting it seems like a load of tits and sloppy blowjobs. Northern Iraq is like a bomb waiting to explode, we have a nice mix of Kurds, Arabs and Turkomen. Turkey will never accept an independent Kurdish state and will most definitely send their army in if the Kurdish movement gathers steam. Not good for the region and not good for the Kurds.

Regarding Balochistan, ever heard of Jundullah?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jundallah

Jundullah (Army of God) (Persian: جنداللہ) is a militant Islamic organization that is based in Waziristan, Pakistan and affiliated with Al-Qaeda. It is a part of the Baloch insurgency in Pakistan and in Iran's Sistan and Baluchistan Province. The goal of the group is to form an independent and united Baluchistan under a hardline Sunni Islamist government similar to the Taliban regime in Afghanistan.[1] Though Baloch-dominated, the group claims to represent all Sunnis in Iran, regardless of ethnicity.[2] Iran and Pakistan have designated it a terrorist organization and banned it.
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http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/04/abc_news_exclus.html

"He used to fight with the Taliban. He's part drug smuggler, part Taliban, part Sunni activist," said Alexis Debat, a senior fellow on counterterrorism at the Nixon Center and an ABC News consultant who recently met with Pakistani officials and tribal members.
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