Iran a few points to consider before invading

[Michael]

Michael:

Typical racist bitching from a bigot.
Merely because their culture differs radically from yours does not mean that they are irrational. There is no way in hell that the leaders of Iran would engage in actions which could threaten their regime.

Here's kind of what I was alluding to. And as part of it was DIRECT quotes I suppose you can make up your own mind on the matter.

Newsweek

When Ahmadinejad won the presidency last year in a runoff against former president Ali Akbar Rafsanjani—widely known as The Shark—many voters believed they were casting their ballots for a righteous fighter against corruption. But just how righteous has taken some by surprise. Last November, a video began circulating on the Internet and CD-ROMs that showed Ahmadinejad rapturously talking with an ayatollah about his September speech at the United Nations. It was as if he were surrounded by an aura, the president said. "I felt that all of a sudden the atmosphere changed there, and for 27, 28 minutes all the leaders did not blink ... They were astonished as if a hand held them there and made them sit. It had opened their eyes and ears for the message of the Islamic republic."

Even some religious leaders were taken aback. "For a president, for a leader, even for a mayor, this kind of talk is ridiculous," says Ayatollah Hussein Moussavi Tabrizi, a senior cleric in the holy city of Qom. "These kinds of things lead us far away from reality." Tabrizi says he thinks Ahmadinejad has learned a lesson and will be more discreet about his mystical experiences in the future. But Ahmadinejad's spirituality is not simply a matter of expediency. The religious ideology of the Islamic republic is tied to the belief that the Supreme Leader—first Ayatollah Khomeini, and since 1989 Ayatollah Ali Khamenei—is a temporary guide for the masses until the return of the Imam Mahdi, who vanished more than a thousand years ago. Ahmadinejad has linked himself to a movement that believes the way must be prepared for the return of the Mahdi.

Yeah that pretty much sums it up. So no, thinking people are a little off in the noodle because they are is not being bigoted. If they really think they are going to usher in the next coming of some Mahdi, Jesus, that's a worry.

 

[crazy151drinker]

If all Iran wanted was a nuclear power plant then they wouldnt have been buying nuclear tech from Pakistan and N. Korea. The russians could have handled everything.

If (and thats a big IF) Iran has peacefull intentions then it should open up all its facilities and show the world how wrong the West is. Pulling a Saddam strategy of hide hide hide will get them attacked. If Saddam had opened up his bases and not been so shady then the US would not have been able to attack him.

 

[Brian Foley]

I’m sure they hire some people that seem sane enough – but I think the leadership is insane in the sense that they really take Islam seriously.

Anyway, all of my Iranian friends say that they are insane. Some also say that until the rest of the world gives up N-bombs then Iran has a right to have a N-bomb - but also that the leadership is crazy.

Im sure your freinds have their reasons , unfortunately the reality of the situation is this , the world takes the Iranian leadership very seriously why else would the EU and Russia expend 2 years of diplomatic negotiations with them .

Really, until someone makes and test an N-bomb no one can say you have one. So if your plan is to stop Iranians from gaining an N-bomb then you’d have to stop them before they made one.

Right?

A country cannot build an Atomic Bomb in secret , it is impossible to hide , with satellite technology and modern industrial forensic devices they can very easily determine what a country is up to . For Christsake how do you think they knew about North Koreas nuclear programme ?

 

[draqon]

Iran is not talking about an Atomic weapons programme .

a ] Iran is building a power station, and the enrichment process is needed to make fuel for that power station.

b ] The more nuclear power Iran has, the more of their oil they can sell. The more oil for sale, the lower the price we in the West pay see the benefit

c ] Iran is NOT a threat to the United States. They are hardly going to attack the US , as America is a potential lucrative market for the oil they want to sell.

d ] Iran will NOT attack America because the America has 7,000 nuclear warheads and the means to deliver them anywhere on Earth.

...yeah right...anyone who says, Iran or any other country will not use the power it has to gain what it wants, is just plainly wrong. Iran or not Iran, theyll use those weapons when they desire....

 

[Brian Foley]

If (and thats a big IF) Iran has peacefull intentions then it should open up all its facilities and show the world how wrong the West is.

They did IAEA inspections were completely unhindered the IAEA had access to all Iranian sites for some 7 years and this is what the IAEA came up with .

IAEA confirms peaceful nature of Iran's nuclear activities: chief negotiator 06/11/2005
TEHRAN, June 11 (Xinhuanet) -- Iran's chief nuclear negotiator Hassan Rowhani said on Saturday that the UN nuclear watchdog has confirmed the peaceful nature of Iran's nuclear activities, the semi-official Mehr news agency reported.

and

IAEA: No proof of secret Iran plan
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.N. atomic watchdog agency says weapons inspectors have not uncovered evidence to support accusations that Iran has a secret nuclear weapons program.

What fucked it and made the Iranians recalitrant was the US demanded the IAEA inspect all Iranian military cases as well .

 

[Brian Foley]

...yeah right...anyone who says, Iran or any other country will not use the power it has to gain what it wants, is just plainly wrong. Iran or not Iran, theyll use those weapons when they desire....

What do you think will happen if Iran did use an Atomic Bomb ?
America would turn Iran into a sea of radioactive green glass !
The world knows this and most certainly the Iranian leadership knows this . For the Iranians to have an Atomic weapons project in operation would be a most imbecilic and ridiculous action for the Iranians , because it would just invite their own destruction . So it does not stack up .

 

[Huwy]

I think we need a new renaissance.
Perhaps I should start a new thread about it.

 

[Brian Foley]

I am going to hit this point one more time. Iran is not building nuclear weapons. Nobody has found any. Nobody has found any proof of a program to build them. There is no more proof than Iran has nuclear weapons than Iraq had nuclear weapons.

What Iran is openly building and has allowed inspectors to visit unrestricted is a power station. And now they want to enrich uranium to use as fuel. The warhawks are claiming that this enrichment can be used to make nuclear weapons. However for anyone who understands nuclear physics, the difference between fuel-grade and weapons-grade enrichment is not as trivial as the media makes it seem. An enrichment plant built to make fuel rods has to be heavily modified and expanded before it can make significant amounts of weapons-grade materials. Such expansions are easily seen and unmistakable in their intent. And so far, nobody has provided any proof at all that Iran has anything other than nuclear power on their agenda, although from the obvious lesson of Iraq, Iran would be quite within their rights to be seeking such weapons to deter an invasion by the United States.

 

[TW Scott]

What do you think will happen if Iran did use an Atomic Bomb ?
America would turn Iran into a sea of radioactive green glass !
The world knows this and most certainly the Iranian leadership knows this . For the Iranians to have an Atomic weapons project in operation would be a most imbecilic and ridiculous action for the Iranians , because it would just invite their own destruction . So it does not stack up .

Well, morons like the current president of Iran would honestly do it anyway so they could get those virgins in paradise. Just back down, you're wrong and no amount of twisting, manipulating, lying, or philosophy is going to change that.

 

[draqon]

...Iran is not building nuclear weapons...

Yes you are right, Iran is not yet building nuclear weapons.

...Nobody has found any. .

Yes you are right again, Iran is not yet building any nuclear weapons yet, so noone has found any.

Im sorry man, but somehow I dont see Iran as a peaceful country it declares itself.... First the president declares of Israel to be destroyed, then he supports Hamas...now I am not saying that Hamas is a terrorist organisation ( I support my president Putin ideas), but Hamas has used weapons bit too many times against the Israel common folks.

Once again, the goal of Iran is to gain nuclear weapons, that way itll be safe.
The issue here is that how do we deal with Iran, do we bomb it or do we nuke it? What the UN and the rest of the world should do is accept the fact that Iran has the nuclear weapons, act accordingly, that is defend itself from a new threat by installing ICBMS. What I hate about Iran the most is its president who basically lies that he has no desire in nuclear weapons program. But then, if he did declare that, then UN would declare war against Iran... So everythings going as it should be, with every second, every minute that Iran gets out of this confusion, it wins, and soon well all have to deal with the new supernation. accordingly with "Lockheed Martin" in mind....

 

[Anomalous]

... somehow I dont see Iran as a peaceful country it declares itself.... First the president declares of Israel to be destroyed, then he supports Hamas...now I am not saying that Hamas is a terrorist organisation ( I support my president Putin ideas), ....

So what has stopped them from getting WMD from Pakistan ?

 

[Hapsburg]

They must be rational afterall they have been in power since 1979 and the Persian people seem happy wit them.

Hitler was in power for a decade and a half and the people loved him, but he wasn't very rational at all, now was he?

 

[draqon]

So what has stopped them from getting WMD from Pakistan ?

:bugeye:

 

[Anomalous]

:bugeye:

so they are peaceful after all ?

 

[Stokes Pennwalt]

Iran is about as much of a threat to America as Antarctica is. Once you drill through the rhetoric of the political leadership on both sides this becomes patently obvious. They're hardly a state sponsor of terrorism, certainly less than just about any of their surrounding ME/SWA neighbors (save the new Iraq). Really, there are about a billion other "threats" to worry about out there, if doing so makes you happy.

That said, anybody who believes Iran is not in pursuit of a nuclear weapon really doesn't know anything about the relevant technology. I've explained it before and I'll explain it again if need be. The reactor that Iran has chosen to construct at Bushehr is a Plutonium breeder. Period. End of story.

 

[Brian Foley]

Im sorry man, but somehow I dont see Iran as a peaceful country it declares itself....

List for me all Iranian acts of belligerence , show me where Iran has invaded other nations , or destabilized neighbouring nations , acts of Iranain political intrigue .

First the president declares of Israel to be destroyed,

After Israel thraetened Premptive strikes on Iran .

Israel Threatens Iran Over Nuclear Research
Israel was taking advantage Sunday of the growing international pressure on arch enemy Iran to dangle the threat of pre-emptive action to stop Iran's nuclear program in its tracks.

then he supports Hamas...

Thats sensible .

Once again, the goal of Iran is to gain nuclear weapons, that way itll be safe.

And why not ? Iran should have nukes its going to be the object of an illegal invasion .

That said, anybody who believes Iran is not in pursuit of a nuclear weapon really doesn't know anything about the relevant technology. I've explained it before and I'll explain it again if need be. The reactor that Iran has chosen to construct at Bushehr is a Plutonium breeder. Period. End of story.

I have tried explaining the industrial techincal aspects of attaining an Atomic Bomb yet they all still want to believe a Nuclear bomb can be made up in someones bathtub overnight .

 

[Anomalous]

And I have already told U all a million times Iran has as much right to Accquire WMD as USA has. Once Iran gets WMD all the terrorism will stop because Iran no longer will need Terror once its got the WMD, It has lot of oil to sell, what else a nation needs; END OF STORY.

 

[Mosheh Thezion]

NO ONE .. IS GOING TO INVADE IRAN...

they are just going to bomb the shit out of it.

-MT

 

[kmguru]

So, are we in the "Art of War"? When the next one will start? There are too many people on this planet and we need to test out our Neutron Bombs....just kidding...

 

[Anomalous]

NO ONE .. IS GOING TO INVADE IRAN...

they are just going to bomb the shit out of it.

-MT

Thats the reason, Nukes need to be secretly strategically placed in different parts of USA so that whenever the bombing starts and Iran is captured and democracy is restored, some one should datonate one Nuke after each countrys take over. After US has taken over entire planet there will be no American left in this world and the world will be left United and free.