Lol, you don't know me very well. I can ignore off topic comments, and I don't like it when the other party to a discussion responds to them.
Intriguing question about Time, Physics and SRT in general
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There is a co-relation with the topic but it is something that would only serve to confuse rather than enlighten.
The point of this thread was to clearly identify that the point of separation between past and future is delta t=0
Once that is established the ramifications and logical extensions can become apparent.
It has taken over 30 pages to get to what seems to be blatantly obvious yet it is also blantantly obvious that it is not so obvious... [ chuckle]
To suggest that at exactly any given t=0 (eg. mark 10 am) no-thing exists is a scarey proposition I guess...
But I believe it is a fundamental starting point and the opposition to it, has to be clarified before moving on...
Motor Daddy
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So let me get this straight...
You think that at exactly 10 AM no-thing exists? How about 10:03 AM? 11:28 AM? 3:13 PM? 11:57 PM?
Am I correct to assume that since you claim that no-thing exists at exactly 10 AM that the other points in time I listed "no-thing" exists as well?
Is there a point in time, according to you, that some-thing does exist?
Would you go as far to say that volume exists at 10 AM? If not, how do you make that go away?
Spill the beans!! How is it possible for volume to not exist?
That is fine, but there is a difference between the reality of "now", and our ability of perceive it in its absolute zero duration.
Of course it is impossible for us to perceive a zero duration moment. Not only because it is extremely fast [ instantaneous] but also because it doesn't exist as it is zero duration.
I know some of the readers feel I am having a lend of them and am only joking. That this thread is about nothing...
yet the fact remains it is this zero duration event horizon between past and future that is the source of all we experience and sure it proves philosophically and in physcs that our experience is purely temporal, a memory.
At exactly mark 10 am the universe is entirely zero dimensional. zero volume.
But because the universe is in a continuum of time it exists but only because it is changing and moving... [ delta t=>0 ]
Essentially it means that the universe can be shown to be BOTH zero dimensional and 4 dimensional simultaneously.
where the blue line indicates zero duration between past and future...
where the red line indicates an eternal time line.
For the sci fi buffs this means that the universe can have a hyper space or zero space property. [which I find a rather exciting proposition to be honest]
Exactly, our brain and our memory capture the passing of time after the fact. Everything we deal with in our head is time delayed.
Motor Daddy
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No-thing "moves" at exactly 10 AM. "Move" means to change location, and it takes a duration of time to change locations. You can't change locations (move) at exactly 10 AM, because at exactly 10 AM no time elapses.
No time elapsing means no motion. No change. No, nada, none.
Your animated deal is in motion over a duration of time. You are not illustrating 10 AM you are illustrating 10AM-11AM.
Explain to me how a zero volume can exist?
and our brain only exists because it is "massive" and a part of the continuum of time delta t=>0
There is no movement because there is nothing to move...
There is no volume because we are describing something that BOTH non-exists due to delta t=0 and exists due to delta t=>o simultaneously
we can do a question and answer tour if you like...
You tell me...
What can exist if there is no time for it to exist in?
I've missed a lot. I'll have to read and contemplate, lol.
Motor Daddy
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Time is a measure of duration. Things exist and time elapses simultaneously. Yes, it's true! Things can exist at 10 AM, 11 AM, 11:01 AM, 11:37 AM, 12:13 PM...
As a matter of fact things exist at every point in time!
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This is the problem, stating something simultaneously exists and doesn't exist, a contradiction in terms.
You said it yourself.
The real problem is that the paradox I am describing is based on observation and not theoretics.
If it were just me hypothesizing then I could walk away from it easily. However it appears that this paradox is a fact of nature as described in many fields of physics including those that make use of light cones, time lines etc.
I guess it is one of those intriguing things about the nature of the universal constancy of the value attributed to zero.
The fact of reality is that the separation between past and future is of zero duration.
Fortunately it is not my responsibility that this is indeed a fact regarding the nature of time.
Once accepted and tolerated this fact leads to some rather amazing theoretical outcomes. IMO
That is your fantasy.
You can't even understand the most basic observations (eg, measuring something with a ruler). So you can't be using any observations in your theorizing.
Is it a fantasy that, in your opinion, the separation between past and future is always zero in duration?
Is that fantasy?
Motor Daddy
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Can you be a little more specific as to what you mean by past and future?
There is no observation of a nonexistent (0 duration) event, thus no paradox.
The things mentioned are idealized, oversimplistic abstractions that assist the mind in comprehending its environment, and only exist in the mind.
Zero has no value, it is a container. When it is empty, there are no elements to consider for any purpose.
There is no fact (thing established by observation) as mentioned earlier. .
The biggest hypocrisy of Quantum Quack's that hasn't even been mentioned yet is that even if the "present" lasts for a finite or eternal duration, you could still mathematically divide it up into infinitesimal points and deduce the same "paradox". It's a non-starter.
Ultimately it seems that the whole problem is Quantum Quack can't imagine a sequence of coordinate systems in which the origin of the time axis is kept fixed, that's what it comes down to. He thinks that when he gets up tomorrow to talk about the "present", it'll be the exact same "present" he's experiencing today. Would be pretty hard to get around with an attitude like that, I imagine.
Ultimately it seems that the whole problem is Quantum Quack can't imagine a sequence of coordinate systems in which the origin of the time axis is kept fixed, that's what it comes down to. He thinks that when he gets up tomorrow to talk about the "present", it'll be the exact same "present" he's experiencing today. Would be pretty hard to get around with an attitude like that, I imagine.