Imagination.

exchemist said:
Thereby perfectly illustrating sideshowbob's point.

You either (a) cannot grasp that "similar" does not mean "synonymous", or (b) want to pretend for the moment that it does, in order to avoid having to make a concession.
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I am not relying on the similarities. I am relying on the "definitions".

proof, noun
  1. 1.
    evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.
    "you will be asked to give proof of your identity"

    Similar: evidence, verification, corroboration, authentication, confirmation, certification, validation
Definitions from Oxford Languages

If there is a remarkable difference, please explain it to me.

There is a certain irony in this very item of contention .... o_O
 
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Write4U said:
I am not relying on the similarities. I am relying on the "definitions".

proof, noun
  1. 1.
    evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.
    "you will be asked to give proof of your identity"

    Similar: evidence, verification, corroboration, authentication, confirmation, certification, validation
Definitions from Oxford Languages

If there is a remarkable difference, please explain it to me.

There is a certain irony in this very item of contention .... o_O
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Can evidence be made up of many proofs?
or can proof be made up of many evidences?
or when is evidence transformed into a proof?
The words are indeed similar but one ( proof) is conclusive ( generally speaking ) where as the other ( evidence) is generally inconclusive. For if evidence becomes conclusive it becomes a proof.
 
Quantum Quack said:
Can evidence be made up of many proofs?
or can proof be made up of many evidences?
or when is evidence transformed into a proof?
The words are indeed similar but one ( proof) is conclusive ( generally speaking ) where as the other ( evidence) is generally inconclusive. For if evidence becomes conclusive it becomes a proof.
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As far as I can determine, "evidence" is a more formal term than "proof". It is mainly used as a legal term.
OTOH, the term "proof" has many applications and by that standard it might be considered a colloquialism as compared to the more formal term evidence.

"The proof is in the pudding", "Fool-proof", "Burden of proof"

Evidence (law) - Wikipedia
The law of evidence, also known as the rules of evidence, encompasses the rules and legal principles that govern the proof of facts in a legal proceeding.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_(law)

Proof - Oxford Dictionary
What is proof Oxford dictionary?
[uncountable, countable] information, documents, etc. that show that something is true.
synonym: evidence.
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Definition of proof
(Entry 1 of 3) 1a : the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact. b : the process or an instance of establishing the validity of a statement especially by derivation from other statements in accordance with principles of reasoning.
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proof
 
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sideshowbob said:
I hereby dub thee Mr. Dictionary Boy.
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sideshowbob said:
I hereby dub thee Mr. Dictionary Boy.
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I wrote a piece a while back which is basically a checklist to see if you are reading woo. One of the points on the checklist is:

4) Webster Rescue. Often when a crank is losing an argument he will resort to redefining words to try to ameliorate a previous error. For example: "The results you have presented show greater than 100% efficiency, which is thermodynamically impossible." "Well, really, what's the definition of efficiency? Can't it mean that . . . " He will then search out various online dictionaries until he finds a definition that is at least not entirely clear, at which point he will claim that that's the definition that is in common use.
 
billvon said:
I wrote a piece a while back which is basically a checklist to see if you are reading woo. One of the points on the checklist is:

4) Webster Rescue. Often when a crank is losing an argument he will resort to redefining words to try to ameliorate a previous error. For example: "The results you have presented show greater than 100% efficiency, which is thermodynamically impossible." "Well, really, what's the definition of efficiency? Can't it mean that . . . " He will then search out various online dictionaries until he finds a definition that is at least not entirely clear, at which point he will claim that that's the definition that is in common use.
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It's a good thing then that I do not use such obscure definitions......:cool:

My definitions are found in every dictionary, more or less identically worded.

Moreover, Oxford and Websters are considered to be authoritative in definitions of English words. That's why I always link the source. You'll never see me link to Billy Joe Bob's country recipes of gourmet Nutria.

I would rather consult a real chef!
nutria-recipes.jpg

Check out this video: Watch Chef Philippe prepare Nutria à la Provençale, from skinning the rodent to final dish!

https://cantbeatemeatem.com/recipes/nutria/

Mmmmmm, scrumptious!
 
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Write4U said:
As far as I can determine, "evidence" is a more formal term than "proof". It is mainly used as a legal term.
OTOH, the term "proof" has many applications and by that standard it might be considered a colloquialism as compared to the more formal term evidence.

"The proof is in the pudding", "Fool-proof", "Burden of proof"

Evidence (law) - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_(law)

Proof - Oxford Dictionary
What is proof Oxford dictionary?


Definition of proof
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proof
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No...you are still missing the point..ahh my bad...
try:
Detective: We have a knife with evidence of the alleged perp's fingerprints on the handle. We therefore have proof that the knife was at some time held by the alleged perp.
 
Quantum Quack said:
No...you are still missing the point..ahh my bad...
try: Detective: We have a knife with evidence of the alleged perp's fingerprints on the handle. We therefore have proof that the knife was at some time held by the alleged perp.
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Yes, I think I mentioned that "evidence always provides proof of something", ok?

Anymore trivia questions?
 
sideshowbob said:
I doesn't "always" though. A stab wound in the victim is evidence but it doesn't "prove" anything except the tautology that he was stabbed.
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OK!

Tautology (logic)
In mathematical logic, a tautology is a formula or assertion that is true in every possible interpretation. An example is "x=y or x≠y". Similarly, "either the ball is green, or the ball is not green" is always true, regardless of the colour of the ball. Wikipedia
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Tautology (logic)

In mathematical logic, a tautology is a formula or assertion that is true in every possible interpretation. An example is "x=y or x≠y". Similarly, "either the ball is green, or the ball is not green" is always true, regardless of the colour of the ball.

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But did not create the ball .
 
Go within to unleash your mind, the clouded city is a giant globe outside the cosmos, with the cosmos within. You go out one end and get around to the other, that is pac man theory. Science is an angel, and Omni took the leap of faith by her side, and In Love fell with grace as well. They only rises from here. In Heaven life was foretold as a legend, and history protects it. War was inevitable, it had waited for an eternity; It has nothing but a game based on its life, then for a short while violence occurred. The devil will die, or become an empty vessel and tumble and fall forever, unless we choose to eliminate hell, but the dragon is eternal, the other one rules the underworld the domain of the rival make believer. I hold four three values very deeply in my heart; mutual love, mutual peace, mutual war, and mutual respect. With out perfect Faith, there is no perfect Love. If someone strikes faith with sadism, strike it with depression and hopelessness. Literally make it suffer, you can see it on their face, and here it in their mind.
 
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