Hurricane Sandy... Manufactured?

[kwhilborn]

I have read many arguments here but am mostly responding to the Opening Post.

First... Controlling weather in Vietnam would seem counterproductive as it was our troops who were not accustomed to constant rain, and some hilly environments naturally dump water on one side. I could take you to places in the Rocky mountains where the heavy rain is dumped on one side of the mountain and it rains constantly, and take you to a sandy desert like place on the other side where you barely get any rain. It is not a practical environment.

If you want to look at creating weather though I personally like the work done by (see video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgYIVM_Qm8g

This man WILHELM REICH worked as an apprentice and associate with Sigmund Freud for 9 years, and had Albert Einstein test his equipment. Albert Einstein found positive results but blamed convection heat in the room, when Reich appealed to Einstein to retest the equipment buried Einstein did not respond.

I personally believe in Chi/Qi/Ka/Life Energy/Prana/The Force/Yin/Yang or whatever you would like to call it and believe it can be directed and trapped as is the basis for Feng Shui. This man claimed to have devoloped the abilities to do that and his theories about how it affected weather are interesting. He was written off as a kook despite his education and background. This man taught doctors, but allegedly started building orgone accumulators to con folks. If nothing else I believe he believed it works.

I have built orgone accumulators of my own because I wanted to use it experimentally, however I have never thought to create weather.

I do not think there was any conspiracy. I have heard of Nuclear testing causing tornadoes, but that is just from reading. I think Chi/orgone will be proven as a true energy, and those who have used Orgone accumulators seem to benefit if only from the placebo effect.

I also do not buy into "Chemtrails" in any way shape or form. Idiots; thinking airplanes are all purposefully dumping poison on us deliberately. It is simply the air being disturbed by the wings and creating temporary clouds.

Anyways. I do not think any weather control has become advanced enough to help in the farm industry never mind as a weapon. Do not forget 50 years earlier a similar and much worse hurricane hit (Hurricane Hazel) and did much more destruction. If you look at how often disasters occur, then you can see it was simply time for another hit With altering currents and ocean temperatures due to global warming however normal time schedules may alter.

 

[Pantaz]

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The document itself was endorsed by NASA. Would NASA "heartily disagree" with the document that they themselves presented? Is it because the document is credible that you dont want to talk about the statement "Even small changes in the abundance or location of clouds could change the climate more than the anticipated changes caused by greenhouse gases..."?

What in the world are you talking about?! Try reading my words in the order in which they were written, please.

You wanted everyone to watch a video about a silly cloud seeding conspiracy. I asked you to provide us with a brief description of the video's contents, which you failed to do. Instead, you only repeated a quote used in the first 17 seconds of the video -- an INCOMPLETE quote, taken out of context from a "NASA Facts" educational publication. A publication that in no way supports any of the ridiculous assumptions and assertions made in said video!

Now, if you really want to discuss the quote from that NASA paper, let's look at the complete sentence:

"Even small changes in the abundance or location of clouds could change the climate more than the anticipated changes caused by greenhouse gases, human-produced aerosols, or other factors associated with global change."

Notice the part that the video producer left out?

You know what I find even more interesting? The two paragraphs preceding that cherry-picked quote*:

"Clouds are the key regulator of the planet's average temperature. Some clouds contribute to cooling because they reflect some of the Sun's energy -— called solar energy or shortwave radiation -- back to space. Other clouds contribute to warming because they act like a blanket and trap some of the energy Earth's surface and lower atmosphere emit -- called thermal energy or longwave radiation."

"Cloud systems also help spread the Sun's energy evenly over Earth's surface. Storms move across the planet and transport energy from warm areas near the equator to cold areas near the poles. For more details on the topic of Energy Balance, refer to NASA Facts 2005-9-074-GSFC."

Well, look at that, taken in context, the source of the quote snippet actually refutes several of the arguments made in the video!

*Source: The Importance of Understanding Clouds (September 2005) FS-2005-9-073-GSFC, NASA

 

[darksidZz]

Unfortunately for us the chemtrails are kinda fucking things up, they're not helping and I doubt they are for any good reasons, normal weather doesn't require chemtrails ok so whatever they're doing is unnatural period. As for the hurricane I don't think anyone would cause it simply because it's a huge risk if it goes bad, they'd have no real way to disperse such a storm. Don't worry 2012 ends soon anyway and most of them will vanish in a day.

 

[billvon]

Unfortunately for us the chemtrails are kinda fucking things up

The only 'chemtrails' up there are exhaust plumes from aircraft and spacecraft. They look cool but are far from the conspiracy some people make them out to be.

they're not helping and I doubt they are for any good reasons, normal weather doesn't require chemtrails ok so whatever they're doing is unnatural period.

True; contrails do cause a measurable increase in heat retained by the atmosphere, thus contributing to global warming.

 

[subhumn]

Hey boys. I got another one. Cyclone Evan. Look at the weird and peculiar in this one.

http://weatherwarfare.worldatwar.info/2012/12/cyclone-evan-has-a-weird-and-peculiar-track/

 

[Rhaedas]

Hey boys. I got another one. Cyclone Evan. Look at the weird and peculiar in this one.

http://weatherwarfare.worldatwar.info/2012/12/cyclone-evan-has-a-weird-and-peculiar-track/

Western Pacific Storm Paths 2002

Western Pacific Storm Paths 2004

Western Pacific Storm Paths 2006

Not familiar with that area, but just looking at past storms, there's not as clear of a pattern, because there's different dynamics going on. I fail to see how this storm is different than a lot of storms before, especially just based on its path.

 

[subhumn]

Look it still weird. Why doesn't anyone talk about weather modification and its effect on climate? No news stories. Nothing. In Australia its just news stories on the effect of cows farting and then we tax the cows.

 

[Boris2]

Why doesn't anyone talk about weather modification and its effect on climate?

maybe because it isn't an issue. we don't modify the weather much and not for long enough to affect the climate.

 

[Buddha12]

I'd think the amount of damages that the states say happened to them , 40 billion, is exaggerated to a very large degree.

When I was watching the ocean sea bouys winds at the time Sandy came ashore the bouys showed no where near hurricane strength winds actually very moderate winds gusting at times to about 50 MPH.

 

[Read-Only]

I'd think the amount of damages that the states say happened to them , 40 billion, is exaggerated to a very large degree.

When I was watching the ocean sea bouys winds at the time Sandy came ashore the bouys showed no where near hurricane strength winds actually very moderate winds gusting at times to about 50 MPH.

I believe you'd have a pretty difficult time substantiating that statement based on the pictures and videos that have been shown displaying the property damage. And that's not even taking into consideration what happened to the subways, power distribution networks and loss of productivity - all those things (and more) are counted in that 40 billion.

 

[Buddha12]

I believe you'd have a pretty difficult time substantiating that statement based on the pictures and videos that have been shown displaying the property damage. And that's not even taking into consideration what happened to the subways, power distribution networks and loss of productivity - all those things (and more) are counted in that 40 billion.

You could be right but we won't ever know with those corrupt officals in charge trying to make things worse than they actually are.

 

[Bebelina]

Hi, my name is Richard and i am new to Sci-forums. I have a conspiracy theory that Hurricane Sandy was manufactured and I would like to share my theory and invite people to read the article provided that explains my theory. I am not a scientist and I am not educated in this field, but I have done my best to explain why I believe that Sandy is indeed manufactured. I have spent quite a lot of time on this article and my goal is to explain my alleged conspiracy so that anyone could understand it. The foundation of my theory is based on several major coincidences and is backed up by further coincidences.

I also have another theory that might cop a lot of flack in the climate change community but I think it should be debated and considered. I believe that the climate is changing because of the use of weather modification. Modifying the weather would in some way effect the balance of our climate. How do we know if weather is being manipulated behind our backs? Is this going on a lot? How can we prove its happening? I believe that governments are using and testing the technology behind weather modification and the general public have no idea. As we all know, countries wish to test the effectiveness and power of their weapons. Weather modification can be used as a weapon also. This theory questions whether carbon emissions are the defining arguments of climate change.

The United States used weather modification in the Vietnam War to limit the movement of enemy troops (You can look that up on "Weather Warfare" on Wikipedia if your interested and there is a link on my website also). I wonder at what stage of advancement in this technology the world is at now. Its been over forty years since the Vietnam War and the calculator on my desk is faster than the computers that existed back then. Unfortunately, we are unable to see the progress of top secret research programs relating to weather modification. I've only started to open my eyes to this recently. I would like other people to be open to the idea also. I'm sure that if we can spend millions researching the effect of carbon emissions, we can spend even a fraction of that researching the effect of weather modification.

Please read the article provided before replying to this post.


http://weatherwarfare.worldatwar.info/2012/11/hurricanesandy/

This is not your theory, it's MINE!

 

[subhumn]

This is not your theory, it's MINE!

It can be both of ours if you like . Contact me at subhumn@gmail.com and maybe we can work things out over coffee? I`m from Sydney.

 

[subhumn]

What gets me though is, computer models predicted the storm from the start. Why did they label it a "Frankenstorm" from the start?

Frankenstein was built from body parts, manufactured and struck with lightning to give him life.

 

[Read-Only]

What gets me though is, computer models predicted the storm from the start. Why did they label it a "Frankenstorm" from the start?

Frankenstein was built from body parts, manufactured and struck with lightning to give him life.

Simple. Not because it was just a storm, it was a *monster* of a storm. Moving very, very slowly and expected to become stronger (which it did) when it made landfall.

 

[Boris2]

http://www.examiner.com/article/why-is-sandy-called-the-frankenstorm-or-super-storm

They called it “Frankenstorm.” The name comes from Hurricane Sandy merging with a storm coming from the Midwest, atmospheric conditions blocking a hurricane's normal tendency to turn east into the Atlantic instead of west into the other storm, the Halloween Eve arrival, and on the night of a full moon…

 

[subhumn]

I will elaborate.

On October 25th The National Weather Service accurately predicted Hurricane Sandy would make landfall in southeastern New Jersey four days prior to actually making landfall. This is the same day that Hurricane Sandy was dubbed “Frankenstorm” by NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration). If you remember the story of “Frankenstein”, Frankenstein was put together with different body parts and struck by lightning to give him life. Frankenstein was manufactured. If Hurricane Sandy was labeled Frankenstorm, maybe it was manufactured too? It seems oddly coincidental, that a storm with this many unusual occurrences, which together make coincidences, is labelled Frankenstorm, which is a correlation to Frankenstein. Interestingly enough, Hurricane Sandy sped up just before New Jersey (as sourced on the website provided), just before the major catastrophe of the storm. It is very coincidental that Hurricane Sandy was dubbed Frankenstorm the same day the National Weather Service predicted the storm would make landfall in New Jersey. Apparently, the European weather models were very accurate in predicting what Hurricane Sandy would do ahead of time. How accurate were the models exactly? Did they predict that Sandy would speed up just before New Jersey?

 

[Aqueous Id]

What gets me though is, computer models predicted the storm from the start. Why did they label it a "Frankenstorm" from the start? Frankenstein was built from body parts, manufactured and struck with lightning to give him life.

This is the type of logic that characterizes pseudoscience. Something just seems to mean something, so it becomes an adopted proposition. Not by any application of the simplest rules of logic, but simply by deeming it so.

First, who's this "they"? The conspirators, or the secret underground who is trying to expose them, but for some reason doesn't dare to actually spill the milk? One way or the other heads must have rolled, as this would constitute a leak, and a serious cleanup operation must be in play, to delete all references to franken* from all the mass storage media around the world. You do know "they" have a spinal tap into the backbone of the web, right? You don't even need a Level 1 decoder ring to access that kind of information.

Second, Frankenstein suggests to me (but then I don't have a key to the Executive Washroom where you keep your spy copies of the X-files) a monster made out of different parts. In this case, a tropical storm collided with an Arctic storm. At least that's what the "company" people from Project Frankie, who you have so deftly sniffed out, would want me to believe. I'm not buying it. By the way, say hi to all you buddies down at the counter-counter-...counter-intelligence unit (C[sup]N[/sup]IU). (Pronounced C-gnu. They invented Unix to prepare for this global takeover.)

You did say you're just an average Joe. I kind of doubt that. Whatever you are really thinking...well...it ain't natural.

You can go back to where AlexG explained that the energy required to instigate this storm would required hundreds times more than the total electric generating capacity on Earth. Average Joes would probably stop in their tracks and look into that before wasting too much time pitching at windmills. This is a science site, so you will hear the same thing from any number of folks here who did take the classes you missed out on. Energy rules in the outcome of this issue, no matter whether you've got an axe to grind with NOAA, NASA or the Illuminati. The real mafia you need to watch out for is the Illiterati. They're always behind the scene in all the disinformation schemes, so watch out who you're friending. At least check their grammar and spelling before taking them seriously. (Sirius Lee: Bruce Lee's alien father from a distant star system, #1 instigator of earth climate operations.)

On the other hand, if you do get a lead on the dilithium crystals used to power the Dark Star, don't hesitate to let us know. We're definitely all up in arms about that, especially since we know Princess Leia was Frankenstein's wife, and Hollywood has been covering up the alleged destruction of the battle station for decades (since the evacuation from VietNam, by the way. Coincidence? Hardly!)

Live long and prosper. (But step away from the containment field.)

 

[subhumn]

Ive created another post regarding ENMOD. This is a excerpt of the post.

The ENMOD Convention is specifically intended to prevent use of the environment as a means of warfare by prohibiting the deliberate manipulation of natural processes in order to protect the environment because these modifications could produce phenomena such as hurricanes, tidal waves or changes in climate. Unfortunately environmental modification can be used outside of conflict without any knowledge its occurrence.

Convention on the Prohibition of Military or any other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques – United Nations Treaty (Signed in Geneva May 18, 1977)
http://weatherwarfare.worldatwar.info/docs/treaty.pdf

The treaty created a list of phenomena that could result from the use of environmental modification techniques (this list is sourced from the United Nations Treaty above):

“earthquakes and tsunamis; an upset in the ecological balance of a region; changes in weather patterns (clouds, precipitation, cyclones and tornadic storms); changes in climate patterns; changes in ozone currents; changes in the state of the ozone layer and changes in the state of the ionosphere.”

On February 7th 2013, three months after Hurricane Sandy devastated the New York State area, “Colossal Blizzard Nemo” ripped through the same area of the United States. This resulted in heavy snowfall and hurricane force winds. If Sandy was manufactured, could this phenomena be the result of Hurricane Sandy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blizzard_of_2013

As stated in an earlier post, it is unfortunate that the ENMOD treaty prohibits only the “use” and not the “research” into environmental modification techniques. Since ENMOD it is evident that environmental modification has been researched and at very least tested. To what degree has our climate been effected since ENMOD? Has the effect of weather and environmental modification been so severe that the world has decided to impatiently geoengineer and create a Carbon Conspiracy? Are tyrants now taking advantage of these past effects with the use of their own environmental modification techniques? (E.g. Sandy, Evan & Oswald?)

The treaty also aims to prohibit the use of any prohibited techniques within a States territory (sourced from the United Nations Treaty):

“In particular, each State should enact criminal legislation to outlaw and repress the use of prohibited techniques within its territory and anywhere else under its jurisdiction or control.”

The territorial prohibitions are not being adhered to. In the United States there are a number of civilian run weather modification programs and associations which continue to operate, for example “Weather Modification, Inc.” and the “Weather Modification Association”. While in China the “Beijing Weather Modification Office” runs as a unit of the Beijing Meteorological Bureau. The Beijing Weather Modification Office form a part of China’s nationwide weather control effort, believed to be the world’s largest and it employs 37,000 people nationwide. If the ENMOD treaty created a list of phenomena that could result from the use of environmental modification techniques, why are these programs, associations and nationwide weather control efforts continuing to operate? ENMOD was enacted because of Operation Popeye, which was a United States military cloud seeding operation. These civilian run programs do exactly the same thing, seed clouds. What is the difference between civilian based cloud seeding and military based cloud seeding? They both have an impact on climate and the use of both civilian and military based cloud seeding could result in the phenomena listed above.

The treaty also states:

“Any State with reason to believe that any other State is violating the Convention may lodge a complaint with the Security Council of the United Nations, on the basis of which the Security Council may conduct an inquiry.”

Is anyone going to lodge a complaint? If a State was to lodge a complaint, would the Security Council make an inquiry? (Note the wording of the treaty “the Security Council “may” conduct an inquiry”). The United Nations need to be reminded that they are the United Nations. Any breach of a treaty as important as ENMOD should be subject to penalty and punishment by any means necessary.

 

[Rhaedas]

Are you suggesting that storms like these can't occur naturally?

If so, then we must have had the technology to cause weather for a long, long time.

If not, then why is this different? Frankly, we've been living in a quiet period of the Earth's history, so gotten the idea in our brief lives that quiet is normal. It's not, cyclical is normal.