How NOT to deal with republicans

[spidergoat]

Yes, be nice to each other, call out the people who are being assholes, and settle for some lowered expectations. Also raise taxes on the rich but it's not a real solution. I think it's inevitable that people will get sick of the GOP and vote for an alternative, but bad choices are the result of America not having a good grasp of the reality of their situation.

 

[Tiassa]

Once again I'm reminded of how we got here, the tactic of the regressive left has been to scream "rape apologist", "rapists", "misogynist", "racists", "facists", "nazi", "homophobe","islamaphobe","sexist","transphobe"...

Well, at least you finally admitted you're a Republican↗.

Thank you for that.

 

[iceaura]

let me get this straight the same left, your left, that the right have baited, used and prospered from, I'm suppose to shut up about because "re-emphasizing rightwing Republican media framing"?
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We did not instead present an alternative cause of the problem and a solution, instead the left screamed "racists!" freeding right into the right-wings claims

You have bought into one of the silliest and least credible wingnut propaganda memes around, long-debunked standard issue Fox and Limbaugh and Republican bs for decades now, and you are spreading it around like it's some kind of insight.

Meanwhile, you still have no idea what "my left" is or ever has been. Remember when you had "my left" identified with the Clintons? "People like me" voting for Hillary in the Dem primaries?

If you can't learn from a mistake of that caliber, how are you ever going to ?

 

[ElectricFetus]

Well, at least you finally admitted you're a Republican⬈.

Thank you for that.

A republican that is a elected director of my counties democrat party? a republican that wants to tax the rich, increase the size of government, universal healthcare, basic income guarantee, track and license all gun ownership, pro-choice, global warming is real we need renewable energy, immigration reform and a path to citizenship for illegals... I guess I am pro-nuclear, that is republican right?

Are these pathetic insults is all you have left after I broke you?

Meanwhile, you still have no idea what "my left" is or ever has been. Remember when you had "my left" identified with the Clintons? "People like me" voting for Hillary in the Dem primaries?

You, Tiassa, Bells, etc, they all come out the same in my head so I get confused who voted for what. You are still the kind of left that thinks we can win elections by blathering on about rightwing media and racism.

You have presented no evidence and no solution, to the question of how we are to win elections your reply is your standard trope of "it is all a right wing conspiracy."

 

[Tiassa]

A republican that is a elected director of my counties democrat party?

Sorry, dude, I already provided my evidence⬈.

You're welcome to try something other than bullshit, or you can always try claiming an ADA exception; I'm quite liberal about those.

Look, when you respond to being called a misogynist by invoking, "How not to deal with Republicans", you make yourself clear.

Seriously, just how stupid do you think everyone else is? There is a reason nobody believes your ridiculous false pretense of being some sort of Democrat.

ElectricFetus, you are a liar. Stop lying.

 

[sculptor]

Yes, be nice to each other, call out the people who are being assholes, and settle for some lowered expectations. Also raise taxes on the rich but it's not a real solution. I think it's inevitable that people will get sick of the GOP and vote for an alternative, but bad choices are the result of America not having a good grasp of the reality of their situation.

it's cyclical

We get tired of the asshole in charge, and vote in the other party, then we get tired of the asshole in charge and vote in the other party, then we get tired of the asshole in charge and vote in the other party, then we get tired of the asshole in charge and vote in the other party, then we get tired of the asshole in charge and vote in the other party,...ad infinitum

Nothing else changes, but the vote gives the populus an ersatz feeling of power.

 

[iceaura]

You, Tiassa, Bells, etc, they all come out the same in my head so I get confused who voted for what

So politics all comes out the same in your head - regardless of what actually happened?

You have presented no evidence and no solution, to the question of how we are to win elections

I have consistently dealt with one aspect of your question of how to deal with Republicans: stop abetting their media framing, stop accepting lies and bs as respectable points of view. That's a minimum, basic first step.

So when are you going to do that?

We get tired of the asshole in charge, and vote in the other party, then we get tired of the asshole in charge and vote in the other party, then we get tired of the asshole in charge and vote in the other party, then we get tired of the asshole in charge and vote in the other party, then we get tired of the asshole in charge and vote in the other party,...ad infinitum

Not in Congress.

Because the whole time, the entire public discussion moved toward the rightwing authoritarian - Obama was, by policy, to the right of Nixon and about as authoritarian.

 

[ElectricFetus]

Sorry, dude, I already provided my evidence⬈.

You're welcome to try something other than bullshit, or you can always try claiming an ADA exception; I'm quite liberal about those.

Look, when you respond to being called a misogynist by invoking, "How not to deal with Republicans", you make yourself clear.

Seriously, just how stupid do you think everyone else is? There is a reason nobody believes your ridiculous false pretense of being some sort of Democrat.

ElectricFetus, you are a liar. Stop lying.

Ask me care what you think, please do.

As for your scarlet letters, they are useless now, Trump is president, all your whining about normalizing such things has happened, your tactics have failed so horribly that this pig boar is now president, you can call me a liar all you want but you can't change this hellish reality we now live in. Is liar all you got to swat me away? You need something bigger against a harpy.

Trump is president
You should have voted for Bernie
Trump is president
You live in a hug box
Trump is president
You social justice whiners created the reactionary movement that powered him.
Trump is president

I have consistently dealt with one aspect of your question of how to deal with Republicans: stop abetting their media framing, stop accepting lies and bs as respectable points of view. That's a minimum, basic first step.

So when are you going to do that?

Again I say if the right wing media say 2+2=4, is that a lie?

Not in Congress. Because the whole time, the entire public discussion moved toward the rightwing authoritarian - Obama was, by policy, to the right of Nixon and about as authoritarian.

This was not about the political pendulum, well sort of, that had an effect, rather this was about running the worse possible candidate we could at the worse possible time.

 

[iceaura]

Again I say if the right wing media say 2+2=4, is that a lie?

You are repeating lies and bs from wingnut propaganda sources. Until you stop doing that, you will continue to be repeating lies and bs from wingnut propaganda sources. My prediction is that repeating lies and bs from wingnut propaganda sources is not going to be good way to deal with Republicans.

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You should have voted for Bernie
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You live in a hug box
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You social justice whiners created the reactionary movement that powered him.
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Those are examples of the lies and bs from wingnut propaganda sources you keep repeating. I think repeating lies and bs from such sources is not a good way to deal with Republicans.

And if you had a clue, this is where you could argue. Because there is some evidence that agreeing with people when they spout idiotic lies and bs - agreeing with them enthusiastically, elaborating their claims, endorsing the the most flagrant of their nonsense - is sometimes a good way to persuade them to think and change their minds. Maybe your way would work.

This was not about the political pendulum,

So you agree with my response to sculptor. Why not agree?

 

[ElectricFetus]

You are repeating lies and bs from wingnut propaganda sources.

No that is truth, or else we would not have trump as president. No please tell me more about how Bernie would have won is right wing propaganda as well. Tell me more about how trolls like Milo became so popular, no I watched them with my own eyes feed off you and your ilk, as you and yours hate them, but hate only makes them stronger. Every screech of "racist", "misogynist","sexist","fascist","Nazi","conservative" only rallied them, grew a counter-culture, I saw it all with my own fucking eyes, the words have been so diluted they have become useless against a pussy garbing, Muslim banning, wall building, narcissistic demagogue huckster! It was you people that normalized this! Call everyone a racist, a misogynists, a conservatives, and guess what they will be? Your pathetic wing nut propaganda theory can't account for the reality we are now in.

So you agree with my response to sculptor. Why not agree?

nuance.

 

[iceaura]

It was you people that normalized this! Call everyone a racist, a misogynists, a conservatives, and guess what they will be? Your pathetic wing nut propaganda theory can't account for the reality we are now in.

You somehow have no idea what me or "my people" have been doing and saying,
and no idea what my propaganda theories are. Despite having them posted right in front of you. Why is that?

Tell me more about how trolls like Milo became so popular, no I watched them with my own eyes feed off you and your ilk, as you and yours hate them, but hate only makes them stronger. Every screech of "racist", "misogynist","sexist","fascist","Nazi","conservative" only rallied them, grew a counter-culture,

You've been watching for thirty years? Or are you somehow so completely out of touch you think this is new?

I saw it all with my own fucking eyes,

No, you didn't. You got that entire little bullshit narrative from the Republican backing wingnut propaganda feeds. What you just posted there is Sean Hannity's description of "liberals", and Sean Hannity's explanation for the likes of Milo et al. Sean Hannity - and I'm just picking his name out of the bag of hacks, to represent, got it? - is not a reliable source. He's not describing things accurately. The people who believe the Sean Hannitys and share their view of the world are misinformed and deluded. That means you. And if you don't even know where you got it, you don't recognize the source of your narrative, that's more deluded - not less.

It means you don't know what the faction that now owns the Republican Party has been up to for your entire adult life.

And if you don't know what the Republicans are doing, and how they are winning, and so forth, my prediction is that you won't have much luck fighting them.

 

[ElectricFetus]

iceaura,

You merely repeat your same old argument with no evidence, literally pull a name out of a hat. I have read and argued against your very argument back at you, and you forget that and go right back to your same counter argument. There is no progress with you.

 

[Beer w/Straw]

Don't deal with Republicans by voting for them.

Arnold Schwarzenegger was the only exception.

 

[wellwisher]

The bottom line is the Republicans first won the House, then the Senate, then the Presidency and now the Supreme Court. The Democratic party is now nothing more than a paper tiger. It is no real threat, but is scary looking, based on 2-D to flat illusion image. To support that illusion, the worse of the left; angry, violent and con artists, now have the most say in the party. They make the most noise, so the paper tiger can be feared, like it is a still a real tiger. Trump is gradually approaching the paper tiger, and once he reaches it, he will spray paint a smiley face on its to make it look less fearful. The scary noise makers will then seem out of place, and the moderate democrats will return to speak for the friendly tiger.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

The bottom line is the Republicans first won the House, then the Senate, then the Presidency and now the Supreme Court. The Democratic party is now nothing more than a paper tiger. It is no real threat, but is scary looking, based on 2-D to flat illusion image. To support that illusion, the worse of the left; angry, violent and con artists, now have the most say in the party. They make the most noise, so the paper tiger can be feared, like it is a still a real tiger. Trump is gradually approaching the paper tiger, and once he reaches it, he will spray paint a smiley face on its to make it look less fearful. The scary noise makers will then seem out of place, and the moderate democrats will return to speak for the friendly tiger.

Paper tiger, spray paint? Read relevations much? Sorry but I find it difficult to tolerate your style.
Alex

 

[Beer w/Straw]

The bottom line is the Republicans first won the House, then the Senate, then the Presidency and now the Supreme Court. The Democratic party is now nothing more than a paper tiger. It is no real threat, but is scary looking, based on 2-D to flat illusion image. To support that illusion, the worse of the left; angry, violent and con artists, now have the most say in the party. They make the most noise, so the paper tiger can be feared, like it is a still a real tiger. Trump is gradually approaching the paper tiger, and once he reaches it, he will spray paint a smiley face on its to make it look less fearful. The scary noise makers will then seem out of place, and the moderate democrats will return to speak for the friendly tiger.

I is glad I doesn't live in the U.S. Yet, if CNN and exclaiming "Populist supporters abandon Trump after Syria strike" your boner for him may become a bit more flaccid.

 

[spidergoat]

Every screech of "racist", "misogynist","sexist","fascist","Nazi","conservative" only rallied them, grew a counter-culture, I saw it all with my own fucking eyes

You have to counter sexist attacks head on, like the huge deal they made about Hillary's health. You can't counter them with boring policy details. Same with the racist anti immigrant crap. When you don't call it what it is, that's weak. Yes, the opposition uses ridicule in response, so what. That can work both ways.

 

[iceaura]

You merely repeat your same old argument with no evidence, literally pull a name out of a hat. I have read and argued against your very argument back at you, and you forget that and go right back to your same counter argument. There is no progress with you.

You keep claiming to have seen something happen - with your own eyes - that 1) did not happen and 2) if it had would have to have happened thirty years ago - and you don't even know that. You think it's new. You keep claiming to have read and responded to my posts, while posting as if Clinton were a lefty, I had supported Clinton over Bernie, I and others like me "screamed" pejoratives at voters and lived in a hugbox and promulgated conspiracy theories and

on and on and on with the standard wingnut talk radio bs -

so that I can quote you - and I have, right here - posting word for word at me what I can hear from Sean or Rush or Milo or any other wingnut ranter in the Mercer/Koch Breitbart stable talking about strawman and stereotype "liberals":

right down to specific vocabulary as it changes from month to month ("social justice whiner"), and specific assertions of fact that are both unknown to you and wildly false.

You're a parrot. And I've heard the original - for decades now.

Or as noted:

Those are examples of the lies and bs from wingnut propaganda sources you keep repeating.

Or as you put it:

You, Tiassa, Bells, etc, they all come out the same in my head so I get confused who voted for what. You are still the kind of left that thinks we can win elections by blathering on about rightwing media and racism.

In other words: You have no idea what kinds of left exist, let alone what kind I am. They all "come out the same" in your head. You haven't read a single post of mine with comprehension, because you are unable to comprehend anything that conflicts with the wingnut framing you have absorbed from the media you sucker for. You think you have some kind of magic immunity to a parasite that's eating your mind, because inculcating that delusion is part of the parasite's tactical approach. That's how lost you are in wingie-world.

And this is why you think "we" can win elections without ever even talking about, let alone dealing with, the rightwing authoritarian bias in the major media, racism in the voting public, the nature of fascism as a political ideology when it has taken over a major political Party and has come near to controlling the US Federal government, the source and operation of electoral fraud and vote rigging in the US, and so forth. Just to mention a few you have specifically objected to anyone naming or analyzing.

When I'm talking about the problem of rightwing authoritarian influence on the major media, the dangers inherent in tolerating it, the real risk of "both sides" language and what can happen to the public discussion, I use guys like you for illustration.

 

[ElectricFetus]

You have to counter sexist attacks head on, like the huge deal they made about Hillary's health. You can't counter them with boring policy details. Same with the racist anti immigrant crap. When you don't call it what it is, that's weak. Yes, the opposition uses ridicule in response, so what. That can work both ways.

How was Hillary's health a sexist attack? How about we just point out she is still alive and sentient to this day? That even as a comatose vegetable she would make a better president than Trump? How does screaming "sexist" help that argument? How is that argument boring policy?

As for the racist anti-immigration crap... you people scream "racist racist racist" about it and who now is president? IT DID NOT WORK!

 

[Tiassa]

Ask me care what you think, please do.

Well, you went and made a thread about it.

Convince me you don't care.