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That 2 gauge Remington looks awesome! :eek:

Thanks for your suggestions on revolvers, Chi. I'm considering them. I'm just not experienced with them that much, most of my small hand gun experience is with pistols, I know how to use them well.
And what I remember from my experience with revolvers wasn't that great.

As a kid I liked a year 1912 small caliber Winchester rifle (a present from my grandfather) and a H&K small machine gun best. The best experience was with a Kalanshnikov heavy machine gun with chain feeding (don't remember the model) that you could shoot only lying on the ground. Man, it was powerful.
 
EmptyForceOfChi said:
or screw the pistols, get a remington 12 gauge, up close and personal.
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peace.
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Except that's not a Remington: it's a Franchi SPAS-12.
 
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The best experience was with a Kalanshnikov heavy machine gun with chain feeding (don't remember the model) that you could shoot only lying on the ground. Man, it was powerful.
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That would be, at a guess, the PK/ PKM.
 
nietzschefan said:
If he gets a gun there is shit all you can do about it. Go lobby for more gun control if you want to feel better.
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My point is that I'd think that more problems could happen with a weapon, if you're trying to something good, rather than without one. I really don't care what he does but I still think it isn't a very good idea and that's only my opinion.
 
Nice. :)

And it is as you say, mikenostic, none of the military people I have known over the years have had revolvers as their hand gun of choice, and I trust their choice even if I fully don't know the details.

Well, all except my father with his buddy general who have shiny magnum revolvers, and my father also a Russian Nagan, but that's just for showing off "with a bang" in style.
 
In my experience around trained people with guns and knives(trained to use both). It's the knives that cause far more "problems" than the guns. Both are tools and can be misused. In the case of the gun, it just needs to be safely and properly stored to be safe, a handgun has only one use and may be brought out for that use. A knife needs to be used for all kinds of things, hense why there are more injuries.
 
It's not that I'm ignorant, cosmictraveler, I understand the risks both for myself and others.
I have lived uncought through armed threats using stealth, eyes on the lookout, hiding and swift "getting the hell out of here",
but I feel that with my video equipment I've become an easier (slower, easier to notice, more profitable) target.
 
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Nice. :)

And it is as you say, mikenostic, none of the military people I have known over the years have had revolvers as their hand gun of choice, and I trust their choice even if I fully don't know the details.

Well, all except my father with his buddy general who have shiny magnum revolvers, and my father also a Russian Nagan, but that's just for showing off "with a bang" in style.
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I'm not trying to say that revolvers are total pieces of crap, I just really can't find any advantage to a revolver.
The only advantage to a revolver is little chance of jamming and it fires slightly truer (how true do you need to fire at 10 meters?).
And even those advantages don't make up for the advantages of an automatic.
Handguns nowadays are made so well, that they are extremely reliable. The only reason I'd have a revolver is for a novelty or showpiece.



Also by the time you got the weapon out of your pocket it would already be to late if they wanted to attack you. All they need do is hide and wait for you to come by and then you've had it. They get the gun to hurt others,would you want that on your mind if they stole your gun and killed a child with it?
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That actually depends. If he's going into an area that he knows is questionable, then he should exercise situational awareness. Unless it's pitch black, if he's walking through the woods, he can usually see people crouching behind bushes/trees. He can also watch people's body language and tell if they're acting shady or up to no good. Don't let yourself get surrounded, and keep your reaction distance if possible (usually about 6-7 meters).
How do you think police officers can react so quickly in a situation? Their guns usually aren't drawn, unless they sense something going on.
 
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..., none of the military people I have known over the years have had revolvers as their hand gun of choice, and I trust their choice even if I fully don't know the details.
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I agree with their judgement for what they're using it for. But for carrying it with you as personal protection, and not having to worry about it misfeeding, the revolver is definitely something to think about. If a semi-auto misfeeds, you're screwed! With a revolver, a misfire is no big deal ...just pull the trigger again.

But for a carry weapon, the best gun is the one that's small, lightweight and still big enough to do the job of personal protection. For me, that's the Glock Model 26, "Baby Glock", 9mm semi-auto - About $500. My own choice was the Taurus Titainium 38 spl, 5 shot revolver - $250. It's so light that you don't even realize you're carrying it. Wear a gun on your hip or under your arm for a day or so .....and you'll quickly realize that weight is a very, very important issue.

Baron Max
 
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I agree with their judgement for what they're using it for. But for carrying it with you as personal protection, and not having to worry about it misfeeding, the revolver is definitely something to think about. If a semi-auto misfeeds, you're screwed! With a revolver, a misfire is no big deal ...just pull the trigger again.
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Of all the Beretta's that I've fired for qualification when I was in the Marines, I never had a misfeed or jam. What kind of pistols have you been firing that jam??
 
That actually depends. If he's going into an area that he knows is questionable, then he should exercise situational awareness. Unless it's pitch black, if he's walking through the woods, he can usually see people crouching behind bushes/trees. He can also watch people's body language and tell if they're acting shady or up to no good. Don't let yourself get surrounded, and keep your reaction distance if possible (usually about 6-7 meters).
How do you think police officers can react so quickly in a situation? Their guns usually aren't drawn, unless they sense something going on.
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Precisely! And in close distance you can shoot through your clothes (jacket or coat pocket).
But it takes some practice and some ruined second hand clothes.

A military body guard once told me that he prepares a gun ready to shoot in his pocket when entering a danger zone in an urban setting, where drawing a hand gun out and visable is not wise and can needlessly alert or cause a nervious stress to the potential attacker that could compel him to attack unpredictably.
 
mikenostic said:
Of all the Beretta's that I've fired for qualification when I was in the Marines, I never had a misfeed or jam.
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And when in the Marines, you cleaned your pistol religiously, didn't you?

mikenostic said:
What kind of pistols have you been firing that jam??
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A Beretta 9mm, don't recall the Model # .....and one that had been carried in a holster for weeks, months without firing or checking it or cleaning it. My 38spl is so dirty that rats build nests in it ....and it shoots the first time, every time.

But really, this isn't an argument for me ......for me, being a carrier, weight is the biggest, BIGGEST factor of them all. And if no one believes that, try carrying a brick around all day on your hip ...you'll soon see what weight does to you.

Baron Max
 
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Precisely! And in close distance you can shoot through your clothes (jacket or coat pocket).
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If I give you any good advice, it's .....DON'T CARRY YOUR WEAPON IN A COAT POCKET!!! Use a good quality holster - hip or underarm. Don't, no matter what you do, don't carry your weapon in a coat pocket.

Baron Max
 
Relax, I'm not dumb. That trick is for very specific situations.
And the gun is not resting in the pocket for a moment then anyway, it's in hand.
 
mikenostic said:
auto > revolver

any day of the week

Ask any police officer or servicemember what they'd rather have.



Don't waste your time listening to him.
WTF are you talking about? There is nothing wrong with a Beretta. Aside from Sig or H&K, you can't do much better.
You can bring your revolver to a gunfight and I'll bring my 92FS and I'd be the one walking away.

Av, if you're not worried too much about the compactness, there is no reason to opt for a revolver. For those who do recommend a revolver over an auto; welcome to the 21st century.
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he wants something small and not bulky. a 38 spcial is perfect for him. it is cheaper for start. he is not going to be having shootouts and gun duels. he needs it for minor protection against some local junkies and wierdos.

he should go for something cheaper. he wont require letting of any more than 6 shots a time.




peace.
 
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