Grotesque Movies

What is 'truly' horrific, then?

Being raped, hacked to pieces or tortured; graphic evisceration or exsanguination; being forced to ingest someone else's shit after being attached to their lower digestive tract. Take your pick. I would also define "horrific" as being forced to watch any of the aforementioned situations (or a realistic facsimile of the same). That none of them is even plausible nor could happen in any given scenario is irrelevant. It's just plain horrific to look at!

Cinema is all about the suspension of disbelief, even if only for a moment. I have no desire to suspend disbelief for even the briefest of seconds and watch any such activity, no matter how implausible. It's not so much a dedication to human life (which I think I have), but unique--apparently hereditary--inability to directly connect my Neocortex to the Amygdala and tell it, "NOT REAL!" My digestive tract usually kicks in reverse fairly quickly in such situations. And that . . . is truly horrific (especially in public places, like the movie theater).

~String
 
Being raped, hacked to pieces or tortured; graphic evisceration or exsanguination; being forced to ingest someone else's shit after being attached to their lower digestive tract. Take your pick. I would also define "horrific" as being forced to watch any of the aforementioned situations (or a realistic facsimile of the same). That none of them is even plausible nor could happen in any given scenario is irrelevant. It's just plain horrific to look at!
Well you've certainly no moral authority as to what 'truly' horrific is, then.

I happen to find children, Al Roker, the social faggotry of Facebook, Myspace and twitter, this thread, women, human saliva, Kerouac, frat boys, Jello, the awkward tension of artifice or 'acquaintance', Oriental philosophy, baby showers, Jung's archetypes, and the occasional hyper-socialized seizure even the best of you suffer in this phoney-but-friendly new Sciforums .......as truly horrific.

It's not so much a dedication to human life (which I think I have), but unique--apparently hereditary--inability to directly connect my Neocortex to the Amygdala and tell it, "NOT REAL!"
This is not unique-- we've a word for it: childhood.
 
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gendanken said:
I happen to find children, Al Roker, the social faggotry of Facebook, Myspace and twitter, this thread, women, human saliva, Kerouac, frat boys, Jello, the awkward tension of artifice or 'acquaintance', Oriental philosophy, baby showers, Jung's archetypes, and the occasional hyper-socialized seizure even the best of you suffer in this phoney-but-friendly new Sciforums .......as truly horrific.

So how would you describe those things that superstring considers horrific?
 
i am with gendy here
i rather be buggered by a donkey than browse thru facebook
infact, i'd like to offer up my "lower digestive tract" to gendy for both amusement and...... nutritional value

/nice like that
 
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dear me, gendy
you dont seem too amused

/perplexed
 
I never claimed to.
You didn't have to.

Your little pedantry encapsulated "truly horrific" in quotes, implying to know what truly horrific actually is.

Or should I quote you to you?


As opposed to your erudite posts! I guess we're lucky that you can even piece together a complete sentence judging from the majority of what you write.
And I guess I'm lucky you're even here and not in the closet sucking your thumb.
 
Quite well indeed.


Like a good Lionsgate film with a gory closeup of the lion mawling some kibble.

Yikes.

So, Geoff-- any good movies lately?
 
Let me see...I hated Avatar, because stupid. Nothing very recent. Aliens again on the tube the other day; always a good show, although seems kind of lacking recently. Maybe the novelty is gone. A lot of people hated the last X-Files movie, but I liked it. Quaint, had the right features and portraits. Just right.
 
Your little pedantry encapsulated "truly horrific" in quotes, implying to know what truly horrific actually is.

Yes, how terrible that someone has an opinion that differs from you and supports it with facts.

Little girl, you need to get out more. See what life is about.

And I guess I'm lucky you're even here and not in the closet sucking your thumb.

As opposed to picking needless fights and proving what a pathetic bitch I am. Don't mistake my disgust for brainless princesses like yourself, or for grotesque movies, to be fear of real life. I would be willing to bet I've seen more of this world, in all its reality, than you could imagine. And judging from what I've seen from your posts, that imagination wouldn't stretch much farther than your nose.

~String
 
Little girl, you need to get out more. See what life is about.
"Little girls" have churlish friend pages smeared with cat pictures and their own mug with the look of constipation posing as sexy ; the database heaves with her typical internet whoredom.


Sexy!

Hey, she's even got pictures of her at home watching Gone with the Wind to imply she's sweet, cultured, and classical they way cheap Spumanti champagne is cultured and classical.


Now that's what I call transcendence.

"Little girls" cover their eyes at the movies.
No, at the trailers, and they squeal like a spring hog before roasting.

"Little girls" come here to socialize, they'll prance like a goat around the communal salt lick we call myspace or sciforums.

You dare to call anyone a little girl, you little Temple you!! grrr!!

Yes, how terrible that someone has an opinion that differs from you and supports it with facts.
They weren't facts--- merely emotive tripe about what YOU feel 'horrific' is.
 
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Let me see...I hated Avatar, because stupid. Nothing very recent. Aliens again on the tube the other day; always a good show, although seems kind of lacking recently. Maybe the novelty is gone. A lot of people hated the last X-Files movie, but I liked it. Quaint, had the right features and portraits. Just right.
Well, I for one hated the English Patient and Girl with Pearl Earring.

All feel and no substance, loathe 'artsy' films. Now those are fucking creepy.

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Missed this--

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Ah, sorry, I see now that the post I was quoting was meant to be overstated.. and not taken so seriously... my bad!

Actually no-- I was dead serious.
 
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i am with gendy here
i rather be buggered by a donkey than browse thru facebook
I browsed once. And came upon the profile of my 13 year old cousin flashing her boobs along with all her friends. You want grotesque? That's grotesque. I remember the words 'oh my fucking god' escaping from my lips and then the thought of wtf do I do now? Sanity prevailed.

I believe she's still grounded after a year.
 
Some films that I'm told are very good, and intend to view, but have yet to summon the willpower to subject myself to:

Irréversible
Hostel
Martyrs
Antichrist

I have never seen Marytyrs but

Hostel is nothing more than a slasher/gore film and is as boring as the blood splattered on the walls. Its excels in excess that is all.

Irreversible and Antichrist on the other hand are Director's films, or art house films as some would call them, that are neither gory nor scary but do have the capacity to make the viewer terribly uncomfortable...horrified if you will by the simple art of not showing the expected in the ways we have been trained to view film. They break format completely and what's worse is the horror is in offering psychological truths we are not supposed to peer into.

'Irreversible'; Gaspar Noe has you handcuffed to the perverse and forced to view violence without its petticoat on. The rape scene is the probably the most brutal ever filmed but its unbearable to watch simply because it is so ruthless and ugly and without pity not because there is blood and gore or even a weapon. When you fit that scene into the rest of the film that cycles from the end of the story back to the beginning, something that worked surprisingly well, it is also taking us from gutter, that dark place where everyone feeds their strange lusts to a comfortable world full of light, predictability and promise and its there right at the end you are confronted with the horror.

I would definitely would suggest this film.

Antichrist is brilliant! But I think you have to know a little about Lars Von Triers films before you go prancing off into this one. If you want to watch it because you have heard of a woman cutting off her clit then don't bother watching it. If you think you are watching a 'horror' movie in the classic sense then you will have Triers giggling in the background as you sit and wait for monster to jump out of the woods. He's another pervert. He takes all of the cinematic clues, frames, templates and formulas the lazy Hollywood filmmakers utilize all the time and the audience have carved into their heads and he twists them so when you are watching his films you are AWAKE. Not dreaming but awake. When you watch the pristine black and white shot moving slowly in time of the woman having sex with her husband, remaining dilatory under his dick and at the hight of pleasure watching as her toddler falls out the window as he made his way to the open window to see the snowflakes...well you will come to the place where a woman cutting off her clit has more symbolic meaning than just the discomfort of the audience. The film is long and wordy and there language seems to change when they enter the woods as if he wants to manipulate alpha activity and lull you into a hypnotic state, something he's used before in previous films like 'Europa'. Perhaps the audience feels less complicit when they are entranced.

Michael Haneka's 'Cache' for example was one of the most disturbing films I have seen in a while, it seeped into me and I couldn't wash it off. Horrifying? Only if you think of it in terms of eternal return.

But anyway 'Antichrist' takes patience or as is expressed at one point in the film 'Chaos Reigns' (still want that on a t-shirt). This is a film about 'woman' honey, not little miss eve(il) running around Eden but your wife! Go and watch that movie and I will be keen to see if you can come back and tell me where exactly does the 'horror' lie. Its there but not in the obvious of tricks he knows viewers are expecting. If you can find it get back to us because you can write a dissertation on the damn thing. Just too bad no one here would have seen it nor get past the titty.

If you have any interest for Haneka or Trier as filmmakers then you should really look for Korean filmmaker Kim Ki Duk. I still have a sneaky suspicion that Trier's 'Antichrist' was inspired by Kim Ki Duk's 'The Isle'.

Kim Ki Duk's 'Bad Guy', 'Samaritan Girl', '3-Iron', 'Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter...and Spring'. They are all simply brilliant and quite unique.

Hostel couldn't hold a candle to any of of those films even as it runs around wildly pretending to offer up 'horror' to the viewer by stabbing itself in the butt several times saying 'See? See?'. You may find it mildly interesting if you're like 14.
 
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A lot of people hated the last X-Files movie, but I liked it. Quaint, had the right features and portraits. Just right.

I liked the last X-Files movie, but it honestly seemed more like an episode of Law & Order (or some other generic cop-drama) than something that belonged in the X-Files universe.
 
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