greek gods

sculptor said:
Staden later claimed to have cured the tribal king and his household from illness through the power of prayer and Christianity

be mindful of your sources
Click to expand...
I understand.
In context of cannibalism, any source that illustrates a form of cannibalism in days of old is useful.
 
Write4U said:
...
Cronus, Who Ate (And Regurgitated) His Own Children
Click to expand...

Perhaps we have a translation problem here?
Perhaps ate is the wrong word
ingested, consumed, taken inside much like a papa seahorse?... etc---(Jonah and the whale?)
maybe it has to do with not giving one's children their freedom until forced to do so
his dad tried to keep his children from being born
too damned domineering?

when i eat something, and regurgitate it---it ain't alive and could not be whole
(though I have read about people who swallow live goldfish)
 
Write4U said:
Cronus, the god of time in ancient Greek mythology, ...

Perhaps not
It is easy to confuse the Greek god of time, Chronos (Χρόνος), with Zeus' Titan father, Kronos (Κρόνος). ... The Greeks conflated them regularly, at least according to Plutarch. The Romans then coopted Kronos into the form of Saturn, who later became known as Father Time and the god of time.
Click to expand...

I proposed this to a classics professor at my last university and he said NO
It seems that the confusion was supported by Plutarch who had a tendency to sensationalism and tailored his speech to his perception of his audience?

absent Plutarch, the only reference to time as/re Kronus seems to have been; as in, you cannot undo the past(time is a one way street).
 
sculptor said:
absent Plutarch, the only reference to time as/re Kronus seems to have been; as in, you cannot undo the past(time is a one way street
Click to expand...
You got me interested now....o_O

But it illustrates the fluid aspects of mythology (including religious history). It seems to depend on which country and early culture you look at.
Here is yet another account of, perhaps intended confusion, who is who doing what.

Name and etymology[edit]
Romanelli_Chronos_and_his_child.jpg

Chronos and His Child by Giovanni Francesco Romanelli, National Museum in Warsaw, a 17th-century depiction of Titan Cronus as "Father Time," wielding a harvesting scythe

Chronos
During antiquity, Chronos was occasionally interpreted as Cronus.[6] According to Plutarch, the Greeks believed that Cronus was an allegorical name for Chronos.[7] In addition to the name, the story of Cronus eating his children was also interpreted as an allegory to a specific aspect of time held within Cronus' sphere of influence. According to this theory, Cronus represented the destructive ravages of time which consumed all things, a concept that was expressed literally when the Titan king devoured the Olympian gods—the past consuming the future, the older generation suppressing the next generation.
Click to expand...
During the Renaissance, the identification of Cronus and Chronos gave rise to "Father Time" wielding the harvesting scythe.
Click to expand...
The original meaning and etymology of the word chronos are uncertain.[8] English words derived from it include chronology, chronometer, chronic, anachronism, synchrony, and chronicle.
Click to expand...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronos
 
Write4U said:
You got me interested now....o_O

But it illustrates the fluid aspects of mythology (including religious history). It seems to depend on which country and early culture you look at.
Here is yet another account of, perhaps intended confusion, who is who doing what.

Name and etymology[edit]
Romanelli_Chronos_and_his_child.jpg

Chronos and His Child by Giovanni Francesco Romanelli, National Museum in Warsaw, a 17th-century depiction of Titan Cronus as "Father Time," wielding a harvesting scythe
Click to expand...
17th century = 2-3kyrs(+) after the story was told?

Perhaps, that should read: "wielding a castrating scythe" ?

What did that harvesting scythe harvest?
Perhaps the sperm that created Aphrodite
 
Dennis Tate said:
I can only make a wild guess.... but here goes.....



"Iapetos is the Titan lord of the West. His name derives from the word iapto ("wound, pierce") and usually refers to a spear, implying that Iapetus may have been regarded as a god of craftsmanship, though scholars mostly describe him as the god of mortality.
Titan of: Titan of the West; Titan of Mortality, Pain, and Violent Death
Symbols: Spear"
Click to expand...
If he's the God of craftsmanship, then he's the forerunner of Vulcan the God of the smiths... and since Vulcan is the God of volcanoes and husband of Venus... that fits, since rock plus things of beauty are the God's gifts to the Smiths.

And since some say Atlas is placed in the northwest (under the great bear) with the Hyperboreans... making the river Styx (also placed there) actually the Narrow Ocean (English Channel) separating the European Continent from the Isles of the Blessed... then the so-called Atlas Mountains might really be called Iapetos' Mountains.
 
sculptor said:
yep
iapetos and 3 other brothers held their father down while kronos castrated him............
Click to expand...

I think castration is poetry's way of saying they kept Kronos from fathering any more countries... which Kronos unfailingly swallowed-up in warfare. Plato tells us that the First Cause created the Gods and made them immortal; and to keep man from being immortal too, the Gods then created man... in their own image of created beings, who would worship them in turn. (The last bit is my take on it, because don't the nations have their own Gods... way back in ages past? Forgetting our own Gods doesn't make them cease to exist.)

Now the legends say that Apollo turned into a Dolphin and brought men to Crete to worship him... hence the dolphins on the walls of Knossos... which makes Apollo the God of Crete. But if we go back to the creation legend, Zeus was given the air, Poseidon was given the seas, and Hades was given the land... with became the underworld by the real myth-makers. That makes sense, since they looked at the world from their perspective... making under the world where the sun went to sleep. Even wikipedia is aware of the ties between Dis Pater as God of the underworld and Helios the sun at night, with what we find being given to Hades.

In my opinion, Apollo (aka Dis Pater) is Hades... which is why Hades never shows up on Mt. Olympus. The Gods having different names is not a new thing.
 
Write4U said:
Mythology sometimes reminds me of the game "Rock, Paper, Scissors"... :rolleyes:
Click to expand...

Mythology ... remember the Lord of the Rings? “And some things that should not have been forgotten were lost. History became legend. Legend became myth. And for two and a half thousand years, the ring passed out of all knowledge.”
Plato's Ring of Gyges (The Republic), may be the history behind the myth... did it really happen or was it a teaching moment? Sometimes it's hard to tell with Plato... but Gyges seems to have been a real person...
Like the telephone game, what each person heard was passed on in a more and more garbled fashion, so that what was originally said became unrecognizable to the person who first said it. Would Plato recognize his Ring of Gyges in Tolkien's Lord of the Rings? Probably. But would Kronos see himself as the cannibal he's portrayed-as today? Doubtful. Poetry isn't superficial and was never meant to be. Poetry is a way of boiling-down very long and complex history into remember-able forms... unless it's done by bards who must have been paid by the hour.
 
and still
I wonder why was Iapetus called "the great"
I suspect that there is something about the Greek legends that are/is missing.

..................................................
meanwhile
The first time we see Apollo
He was dressed as a dirty shepherd, firing arrows of plague down on the invading Greeks

From a dirty plague spreading shepherd to the God of light---the guy(god) certainly was versatile.
 
Ligurian said:
Mythology ... remember the Lord of the Rings? “And some things that should not have been forgotten were lost. History became legend. Legend became myth. And for two and a half thousand years, the ring passed out of all knowledge.”
Plato's Ring of Gyges (The Republic), may be the history behind the myth... did it really happen or was it a teaching moment? Sometimes it's hard to tell with Plato... but Gyges seems to have been a real person...
Like the telephone game, what each person heard was passed on in a more and more garbled fashion, so that what was originally said became unrecognizable to the person who first said it. Would Plato recognize his Ring of Gyges in Tolkien's Lord of the Rings? Probably. But would Kronos see himself as the cannibal he's portrayed-as today? Doubtful. Poetry isn't superficial and was never meant to be. Poetry is a way of boiling-down very long and complex history into remember-able forms... unless it's done by bards who must have been paid by the hour.
Click to expand...
And a bit on the long side.

www.cornellpress.cornell.edu

The Growth of the Medieval Icelandic Sagas (1180–1280) by Theodore M. Andersson | Paperback | Cornell University Press

Andersson introduces readers to the development of the Icelandic sagas between 1180 and 1280, a crucial period that witnessed a gradual shift of emphasis from tales of adventure and personal distinction to the analysis of politics and history.
www.cornellpress.cornell.edu www.cornellpress.cornell.edu
Click to expand...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top