Absolutely, because the others were obviously less intelligent and intelligence is relative.
Grades = Intelligence?
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Absolutely, because the others were obviously less intelligent and intelligence is relative.
Grades have very little to do with intelligence. NO NO NO NO NO.
...But to add meaningful discussion...
Grades usually show work ethic and a strong devotion to school. It seems easier to make good grades if you're intelligent, barring problems like attention disorders, the utter boredom geniuses face in school, that girl you like, spending too much time on sciforums...
...But to add meaningful discussion...
Grades usually show work ethic and a strong devotion to school. It seems easier to make good grades if you're intelligent, barring problems like attention disorders, the utter boredom geniuses face in school, that girl you like, spending too much time on sciforums...
BillClintonsCigar
Registered Senior Member
What do you mean you tried saying smthg Whitewolf?
Yeah. I think we live in more than three dimensions. If the universe is expanding then there are infinite dimensions.
No we can't. What do you mean?
I lack the intelligence to explain it and am not even ashamed of it.
Ive always found that
Grades = Intelligence * Will
If you are intelligent, and you WANT good grades...you will have them...if you're not intelligent, then you want good grades bad enough, you'll still have them. If you are super intelligent with a little will, you will still probably get good grades... Thats why my grades have always wavered (well, between 3.5 & 4.0 GPA...never less), because it depended on my will for that subject.
-AntonK
Grades = Intelligence * Will
If you are intelligent, and you WANT good grades...you will have them...if you're not intelligent, then you want good grades bad enough, you'll still have them. If you are super intelligent with a little will, you will still probably get good grades... Thats why my grades have always wavered (well, between 3.5 & 4.0 GPA...never less), because it depended on my will for that subject.
-AntonK
BillClintonsCigar
Registered Senior Member
Surely the first thing one must do when studying something is to define what it is that is being studied!
Intel-igence?
In-tell-igence?
If it was intr(a)-(t)elligence it would be a different, but it is intel-igence.
grades = work.
it does not take intelligence to complete assignments and study for tests and memorie the answers. it takes work. if you dont do the work, you fail no matter how smart you are. well.. to an extent...
anyhow.
my GPA stumbled along between 1.98 and 2.5
take from that whatever you want.
it does not take intelligence to complete assignments and study for tests and memorie the answers. it takes work. if you dont do the work, you fail no matter how smart you are. well.. to an extent...
anyhow.
my GPA stumbled along between 1.98 and 2.5
take from that whatever you want.
Grades are not necessarily a reflection of intelligence. While the valedictorian of our school was absolutely brilliant, I was the salutatorian, and I can tell you that I'm a complete idiot in many respects. I have very little common sense (as, unfortunately all too many "book smart" people do), and on top of that I'm not even really all that book smart. I just studied really, really hard. Oh well.
invisibleone
Registered Senior Member
There is a correlation between grades and intelligence but this is only found when bright students put forth the work. (If a person is "dull" he can study for hours and still not improve his grades.) On the other hand, grades are not an accurate reflection of all intelligences. The United States education system puts much more emphasis into the maths and sciences than any of the arts, thereby making it appear that anyone who is not great at maths and science is somehow 'inferior.'
I have been commended by many professors and many of my high school teachers on my intellect. However, I did not do that well grade wise. I mean, I always had A's and B's, but I wasn't even in the top 10% of my class. I have received more personal recognition for my intellect though, than the top 5 students of my class. Now....it amazes me that those people can see how smart I am, yet not attempt to do anything about our grading system when they see how it doesn't suit truly intelligent people.
I'm in my 3rd year of college, and I am still mad about the injustice they called high school. It did nothing but harm to me.
I'm in my 3rd year of college, and I am still mad about the injustice they called high school. It did nothing but harm to me.
ripleofdeath
Registered Senior Member
CaptainCaper
most humans have the ability to read and memorise the data
that schools teach
so the only real effect of the grading system is to mesure a persons ability to follow instructions and repeat what they have been told
the schools do not mesure intellegence
neither do universities
its all about learning how to repeat information then do what you are told in your job
they like little soldiers with no free spirit
DarkEyedBeauty
i sympathise with you completely
i imagine the real test you face is not letting the truth of the situation make you feel bitter or reduce your motivation to achive
your goals while taking what you need and not being retarded by the amount of mindless dribble that is used for fact making by reading and repeating others interpretations of concepts that have remained the same for hundreds of years
the only big step soo far is the move away from corpral punnishment in schools
there are a couple of schools that offer different types of education
however they are mainly used to dump violent teens into
did you hear anguish and sadness while your professors were telling you they thought you had great intellect?
they too are caught in the great mix of brick walls and need to carry on with thier wrote teaching to pay thier bills
sad but all too common
groove on all
most humans have the ability to read and memorise the data
that schools teach
so the only real effect of the grading system is to mesure a persons ability to follow instructions and repeat what they have been told
the schools do not mesure intellegence
neither do universities
its all about learning how to repeat information then do what you are told in your job
they like little soldiers with no free spirit
DarkEyedBeauty
i sympathise with you completely
i imagine the real test you face is not letting the truth of the situation make you feel bitter or reduce your motivation to achive
your goals while taking what you need and not being retarded by the amount of mindless dribble that is used for fact making by reading and repeating others interpretations of concepts that have remained the same for hundreds of years
the only big step soo far is the move away from corpral punnishment in schools
there are a couple of schools that offer different types of education
however they are mainly used to dump violent teens into
did you hear anguish and sadness while your professors were telling you they thought you had great intellect?
they too are caught in the great mix of brick walls and need to carry on with thier wrote teaching to pay thier bills
sad but all too common
groove on all
G = I*W
I = G/W
This is saying that as my will gets smaller and smaller, my intelligence is higher, no matter what grades I have, as long as they are greater than 0.
Well generally that is the case with me.. I have no will but an 89.4 grade average. 99 in AP Calculus and 70 in Spanish (maybe she passed me so I would not come back??).
James Sibley
nah it was always the suck up people who did homework and took notes that got A's. however you have to make quite an effort to fail. those were usually the people who never showed up for class (and eventually got kicked out- private school).
grade school was even worse. i got a D- in math one year and an A+ the next without doing a damned thing. grades reflect the teacher more than the students.
grade school was even worse. i got a D- in math one year and an A+ the next without doing a damned thing. grades reflect the teacher more than the students.
river-wind
Valued Senior Member
1) according to string theory, the universe has 10 dimensions, 4 spacial dimentions which we live in, and a pair of 3-dimentional groups which are curled up on themselves.
2)I took a paper to my universities writing center, and they said it was pretty good. I handed the same paper in to two different classes (we were covering the same topic by chance). one teacher gave me and F, largely because the main idea in the paper disagreed with what she believed. the other teacher gave me and A because, in his words, the paper was good enough to "change how he saw the entire problem".
IMO, grades have about 10% to do with smarts. 30% is the work you put in, 20% is luck (is the teacher in a good or bad mood today? which teacher do you get randomly assigned at the begining of the year?), and the other 40% depends on how the teacher grades. if they curve, then the grades of the other students make a huge difference in your final score (one class I had, I god a 7% on one test. that was a B, because nearly everyone did just as poorly.)
One friend in HS got a 1600 on the SAT's when he took them in 8th grade. Smartest guy I know. He failed out of high school junior year. why? because he only did enough work to not fail out, and no more. Then one day, he stopped doing that much. for him, there were more important things in life than school every day. One day in spanish, he took a very long test in about 6 minutes, then left. I got the teacher to show his test after mine was handed in; he had written "All is fire" in Spanish for every answer but one. That one he had gotten right, and I had gotten wrong. He of course, failed the test, and later, the class. but he spent most of the day outside, while I was indoors for 8 hours straight. I can't say who was the dumb one of the pair.
My Comp Sci advisor once said "the smart people I know would do best if they could skip grades 5-16 and go straight into grad school. There you get to teach yourself". mmmmmmm, grad school...
2)I took a paper to my universities writing center, and they said it was pretty good. I handed the same paper in to two different classes (we were covering the same topic by chance). one teacher gave me and F, largely because the main idea in the paper disagreed with what she believed. the other teacher gave me and A because, in his words, the paper was good enough to "change how he saw the entire problem".
IMO, grades have about 10% to do with smarts. 30% is the work you put in, 20% is luck (is the teacher in a good or bad mood today? which teacher do you get randomly assigned at the begining of the year?), and the other 40% depends on how the teacher grades. if they curve, then the grades of the other students make a huge difference in your final score (one class I had, I god a 7% on one test. that was a B, because nearly everyone did just as poorly.)
One friend in HS got a 1600 on the SAT's when he took them in 8th grade. Smartest guy I know. He failed out of high school junior year. why? because he only did enough work to not fail out, and no more. Then one day, he stopped doing that much. for him, there were more important things in life than school every day. One day in spanish, he took a very long test in about 6 minutes, then left. I got the teacher to show his test after mine was handed in; he had written "All is fire" in Spanish for every answer but one. That one he had gotten right, and I had gotten wrong. He of course, failed the test, and later, the class. but he spent most of the day outside, while I was indoors for 8 hours straight. I can't say who was the dumb one of the pair.
My Comp Sci advisor once said "the smart people I know would do best if they could skip grades 5-16 and go straight into grad school. There you get to teach yourself". mmmmmmm, grad school...
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ripleofdeath
Registered Senior Member
4DHyperCubix
LOL
SwedishFish
river-wind
and so my question is
what has happened to all the good teachers?
anyone any clues? ... any?
i can remember a couple of teachers that i had in school that put
the rest to shame
and i wonder if there are any left
the number then was not high and i suspect that because of all the males being scared away from schooling by witchhunts
and the majority by the other issues of wages and consistant underfunding have devalued it
the concept to invest in intellect seems to have been
over-looked by those who toute themselfs as the peak of
intellectual institutions
go figure!
groove on
LOL
SwedishFish
river-wind
and so my question is
what has happened to all the good teachers?
anyone any clues? ... any?
i can remember a couple of teachers that i had in school that put
the rest to shame
and i wonder if there are any left
the number then was not high and i suspect that because of all the males being scared away from schooling by witchhunts
and the majority by the other issues of wages and consistant underfunding have devalued it
the concept to invest in intellect seems to have been
over-looked by those who toute themselfs as the peak of
intellectual institutions
go figure!
groove on
I thinks its naive to dismiss the importance intelligence has on grades. Of course hard work is necessary if you want 100% in every test, but intelligence and capacity for credible B.S. is enough for good grades (80% +)
I think the American system sounds awful - don't know how I would cope. I'm studying 8 subjects for my Leaving cert next year, but I only have to count 6. I'm counting English, Irish, French, History,Economics, History and Social and Scientific.
I'm really glad I don't have the pressure of maths (though I still have to pass it)
HOWEVER I'm really sick of these pampered spoon-fed grind school kids who get their parents to pay for grinds all the way through their school careers.Thats bull, thats not intelligence, thats hot-housed brats with 6 a's in their pockets, fooling employees of their worth (in the unlikely event that they don't drop out of uni in first year)
I think the American system sounds awful - don't know how I would cope. I'm studying 8 subjects for my Leaving cert next year, but I only have to count 6. I'm counting English, Irish, French, History,Economics, History and Social and Scientific.
I'm really glad I don't have the pressure of maths (though I still have to pass it)
HOWEVER I'm really sick of these pampered spoon-fed grind school kids who get their parents to pay for grinds all the way through their school careers.Thats bull, thats not intelligence, thats hot-housed brats with 6 a's in their pockets, fooling employees of their worth (in the unlikely event that they don't drop out of uni in first year)